Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.
4. I will be removing all the loft tanks and going to a mains fed
hot water tank.
5. NO combi boilers. I dislike them. In practive when ever I've used
them
you loose patience waiting for the hot water to get hot and then when
it
is the flow is useless.
6. Ideally a boiler with hot water and central heating outlets.

By the way if there is a corgi plumber out there who can install a LPG
boiler
please contact me. I am near Doncaster. I am completely disillusioned
with the plumbers in my area. I have contacted about 10. About half
can't even be bothered to return a call. Out of the rest none of them
can turn up to a meeting at an agreed time. The only 1 that actually
turned up then wrote to me a week later saying he had got a contract
and wouldn't be able to do it for 3 months!!

wrote:
Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

On Feb 22, 11:30 am, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
wrote:
Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

Oil isn't that cheap anymore and it always smells. Got two at work and
they are smelly
and have been since they were installed.

On 22 Feb 2007 04:17:53 -0800, wrote:

Oil isn't that cheap anymore and it always smells. Got two at work and
they are smelly
and have been since they were installed.

We replaced out oil boiler three years ago for a more efficient unit. It
doesn't smell.

On 22 Feb, 12:17, "
wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:30 am, "Tim Downie"
wrote:

wrote:
Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

Oil isn't that cheap anymore and it always smells. Got two at work and
they are smelly
and have been since they were installed.

I thought oil has more heat output per unit measure due to the higher
calorific value ? I know its true of pertol over LPG that is why there
is a slight loss in power on LPG converted cars running on LPG

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:11:19 -0800, david.cawkwell wrote:

Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.
4. I will be removing all the loft tanks and going to a mains fed
hot water tank.
5. NO combi boilers. I dislike them. In practive when ever I've used
them
you loose patience waiting for the hot water to get hot and then when
it
is the flow is useless.
6. Ideally a boiler with hot water and central heating outlets.

By the way if there is a corgi plumber out there who can install a LPG
boiler
please contact me. I am near Doncaster. I am completely disillusioned
with the plumbers in my area. I have contacted about 10. About half
can't even be bothered to return a call. Out of the rest none of them
can turn up to a meeting at an agreed time. The only 1 that actually
turned up then wrote to me a week later saying he had got a contract
and wouldn't be able to do it for 3 months!!


Keston C55P. (or maybe C40P is the true requirement is under 40kW and/or
can be brought down with insulation and draught proofing to that level).

Has separate setting for DHW and CH, weather compensation.
System boiler can be use with a sealed or vented primary.




--
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The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

wrote:
Hi Group,

By the way if there is a corgi plumber out there who can install a LPG
boiler plumbers in my area.

The CORGI website has a 'finder' that works reasonably. It can find
LPG-rated fitters. Of course, all CORGI fitters are equally good ;-) -
mine didn't know how to set the regulation on an LPG hob properly (I did
it myself in the end).

R.

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim


I know someone who just had an installation - £450 for the (2200 litre) tank
supply and installation to the boiler (compare the cost of oil tanks and
installations) , £650 for the boiler (oil boiler at approx double) excluding
the install, and gas at 23p/litre ( compare oil at around 32p/litre) which
is on a sliding increase of 3p/litre per year until it matches the then
current rate - and yes I realise LPG is only 80% as calorific... but I
reckon its in the same ballpark after those facts are taken into
consideration for the first several years

Comparable quotes were £4000 for the bunded oil tank install, boiler at
approx £1200 ( installation extra) and oil is currently approx 32p/litre
around here.

Nick

On 22 Feb, 12:17, "
wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:30 am, "Tim Downie"
wrote:

wrote:
Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

Oil isn't that cheap anymore and it always smells. Got two at work and
they are smelly
and have been since they were installed.

Does it ******** - get it set up properly and keep it serviced!

On 22 Feb, 17:32, "Nick" wrote:
Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

Hope you've got deep pockets! It's going to be a *lot* more expensive to
run.

Tim

I know someone who just had an installation - £450 for the (2200 litre) tank
supply and installation to the boiler (compare the cost of oil tanks and
installations) , £650 for the boiler (oil boiler at approx double) excluding
the install, and gas at 23p/litre ( compare oil at around 32p/litre) which
is on a sliding increase of 3p/litre per year until it matches the then
current rate - and yes I realise LPG is only 80% as calorific... but I
reckon its in the same ballpark after those facts are taken into
consideration for the first several years

Comparable quotes were £4000 for the bunded oil tank install, boiler at
approx £1200 ( installation extra) and oil is currently approx 32p/litre
around here.

Nick

£4000? Jesus H C - somebody had his leg lifted!

£4000? Jesus H C - somebody had his leg lifted!

Well actually they didn't - as I told the bloke ( from a local and
"reputable" company) that we would definitely not
be going that route when tanks cost from a few hundreds of pounds and the
labour could be done in a day and that other options were a fraction of that
cost....

I just can't believe how some of these guys take the **** out of "little old
ladies" and should really know better if they want to keep any of their hard
earned reputation. Still wondering if I should compile a case for
"Watchdog" but too busy (at the moment anyway)

Nick

In article , Nick
writes

£4000? Jesus H C - somebody had his leg lifted!

Well actually they didn't - as I told the bloke ( from a local and
"reputable" company) that we would definitely not
be going that route when tanks cost from a few hundreds of pounds and the
labour could be done in a day and that other options were a fraction of that
cost....

I just can't believe how some of these guys take the **** out of "little old
ladies" and should really know better if they want to keep any of their hard
earned reputation. Still wondering if I should compile a case for
"Watchdog" but too busy (at the moment anyway)

Nick


I would advise against a Vaillant Turbomax converted to LPG - we have no
end of problems at the Scout Hut it rarely lights on demand and locks
out. However it is a Combi so outside the OP's preferences!

--
John Alexander,

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On Feb 22, 4:32 pm, TheOldFellow wrote:
wrote:
Hi Group,
By the way if there is a corgi plumber out there who can install a LPG
boiler plumbers in my area.

The CORGI website has a 'finder' that works reasonably. It can find
LPG-rated fitters. Of course, all CORGI fitters are equally good ;-) -
mine didn't know how to set the regulation on an LPG hob properly (I did
it myself in the end).

R.

It was the corgi website I got the list of pumbers from!
I complained to corgi and suggested they give the plumbers
in my area a rocket they said they only look after safety standards.
Well I suggest they add customer service to that list of standards.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett wrote:

Keston C55P. (or maybe C40P is the true requirement is under 40kW and/or
can be brought down with insulation and draught proofing to that level).

Has separate setting for DHW and CH, weather compensation.
System boiler can be use with a sealed or vented primary.
I wouldn't personally recommend a Keston boiler myself after numerous
problems I have experienced first hand and heard of with the C25. One c25
owner told me they had been hit with a £500 repair bill from keston with
the boiler just 6 months out of warranty.

Yes they are compact, but thats about the only benefit I can see. I even
installed one for a relative and that C25 is experiencing ignition
failures. If the pcb dies, then I will put a different one in for them
rather than keep trying to maintain it.

I have had good experience with the LPG conversion of the Atag boilers. I
have done about 3 so far and had no problems. You change the pcb and add a
restrictor to the gas valve. A FGA is needed to setup the C02 levels. You
can adjust the flow temperature via the software and they have weather
compensation ability if you add the outside sensor. This is a dual LPG
boiler setup I did last year. http://tinyurl.com/223t3y The client wanted
a hidden LPG, so we got a minidigger in and used an underground tank.
http://tinyurl.com/yqgdxg http://tinyurl.com/2cgnul


--
Geosolar, Cambridge. Gas central heating installations.
High quality ATAG boilers www.geosolar.co.uk

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:28:19 GMT Martyn Pollard wrote :
Yes they are compact, but thats about the only benefit I can see.
I even installed one for a relative and that C25 is experiencing
ignition failures. I

If you've missed the threads here, one common reason for this is the
electrodes moving apart. Do not try and bend them back when cold.
Someone here said that you can straighten an electrode when hot (hold
in gas hob flame) but I've not tried this myself.

The biggest downside to Kestons seems to be parts availability

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

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oups.com...
On Feb 22, 11:30 am, "Tim Downie"
wrote:
wrote:


Oil isn't that cheap anymore and it always smells. Got two at work and
they are smelly
and have been since they were installed.

If a domestic oil installation smells then it is leaking - typically either oil
or exhaust gas.

The problem should be fixed and then it wont smell.


--

Michael Chare

On Feb 22, 10:11 am, wrote:
Hi Group,

I going to replace the central heating boiler in my house so I'm after
recommendations on a replacement boiler.

1. Reliability. I want it put in and forget it.
2. 30 radiators in the house. Big house most of the existing piping
is 28mm.
3. I'm switching from oil to LPG.
4. I will be removing all the loft tanks and going to a mains fed
hot water tank.
5. NO combi boilers. I dislike them. In practive when ever I've used
them
you loose patience waiting for the hot water to get hot and then when
it
is the flow is useless.
6. Ideally a boiler with hot water and central heating outlets.

By the way if there is a corgi plumber out there who can install a LPG
boiler
please contact me. I am near Doncaster. I am completely disillusioned
with the plumbers in my area. I have contacted about 10. About half
can't even be bothered to return a call. Out of the rest none of them
can turn up to a meeting at an agreed time. The only 1 that actually
turned up then wrote to me a week later saying he had got a contract
and wouldn't be able to do it for 3 months!!


I'd recommend supplementing the input to your hot water cylinder with
a solar thermal system. This will cut down on LPG costs. In an
average 3 bed semi, we estimate that you'd make a £10,197 profit,
adjusted for inflation over the lifetime of the solar panels assuming
the cost of LPG goes up in line with the trend.

You can get all these calculations on our web site www.growyourownenergy.co..uk
where the Financial Benefits Calculator will tell you if each of the
renewable energy technologies are viable and will pay back.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:21:57 -0800, Grow Your Own Energy wrote:

You can get all these calculations on our web site
www.growyourownenergy.co.uk where the Financial Benefits Calculator will
tell you if each of the renewable energy technologies are viable and
will pay back.

Which is practically useless as it doesn't tell you the assumptions it
makes regarding the amount of water use, cost of installation of the
system etc. Even with Calor gas however I doubt you're likely to
make anything like £10K profit on commercially-installed solar water
heating and there are almost certainly more profitable uses for the
investment you'd have to make, in terms of energy-saving measures.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:09:05 -0800, wrote:

It was the corgi website I got the list of pumbers from!
I complained to corgi and suggested they give the plumbers
in my area a rocket they said they only look after safety standards.
Well I suggest they add customer service to that list of standards.

The CORGI website only lists a few installers who've elected to be on it.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:51:05 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:09:05 -0800, wrote:

It was the corgi website I got the list of pumbers from!
I complained to corgi and suggested they give the plumbers
in my area a rocket they said they only look after safety standards.
Well I suggest they add customer service to that list of standards.

The CORGI website only lists a few installers who've elected to be on it.

I thought the default option was that you were on it unless you wanted to
opt out. I believe the web site give a random selection of up to 5 fitters
who have the relevant qualification and live in the same post code area.




--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:10:17 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

I thought the default option was that you were on it unless you wanted to
opt out. I believe the web site give a random selection of up to 5 fitters
who have the relevant qualification and live in the same post code area.

Maybe it's default in, I forget. Point was that it doesn't list all
fitters in the area.