Tom Woods wrote:

Ive recently had trouble with people (kids as far as i know) coming
into my back garden and causing trouble. My house backs onto a council
garage area and my drive (to the rear) is currently open to the road
and the rest of the garden only had a 3 foot wall round it.

I have now just about finished enlarging the wall to 6 foot and am
about to make some big gates.

If i wanted to put something sharp spikey and painful on the top of my
wall or gates where do i stand? Are there any legalities involved in
this?

I dont want to get in trouble because some little scrote cut his hands
open trying to climb over my wall.

Can I just do as i like?

When this was happening to me, I phoned the free legal help line that
operated under my house insurance, explained to them what was
happening, and said I was thinking of putting grease along the top of
the wall - they said that would be OK.

I then put a nice thick layer of molyslip grease along the wall, and
the subsequent events were a joy to behold....and they stopped coming
over after that.
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:22:30 +0000 someone who may be Terry Fields
wrote this:-

I then put a nice thick layer of molyslip grease along the wall, and
the subsequent events were a joy to behold....

Don't leave us in suspense. What were these events?


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David Hansen wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:22:30 +0000 someone who may be Terry Fields
wrote this:-

I then put a nice thick layer of molyslip grease along the wall, and
the subsequent events were a joy to behold....

Don't leave us in suspense. What were these events?

Scene: front/rear garden parallels road, property edged by wall 6'
high at one end and 5' at the other due to slope. Football is played
in road, hence next to front/rear garden, making
both gardens unusable.

So, ball comes over garden for the millionth time. For the millionth
time, kid grasps top of wall to pull himself over. Feels hand is in
something disagreeable, removes hand and inspects it, wipes it on
expensive designer football shirt. Complains to other kids.

Other kids then want to see for themselves, so pattern of events
repeats.

Still disbelieveing, they try a different section of wall, etc etc,
until they come to the garden gate (6' high). This won't have grease
on it, so hand grasps top of gate....and pattern repeats.

Kids now in a dilemma - no ball, no way to get ball back, won't ask
for it as I make them get their parents to collect it. Can't moan to
parents as they'll get sanctioned in some form or other. All that's
left to do is explain greasy clothing to mum.

When all is quiet, I kick ball back over wall.

Kids are of an age where smart designer gear is de rigeur, hence
clothes-conscious. Won't play football in tatty clothes, and haven't
got the brains to bring a sack or bin liner to put over wall.

For the cost of a tin of molyslip grease, about £3-4 IIRC, peace
breaks out.

Amazingly, the local cats, that liked to sleep in the sun on top of
the wall, are far smarter at not getting into a mess, by testing the
new substance tentatively with a paw. Pike off to find somewhere else.
Birds grateful. Football fizzles out as a pastime, which is nice as
Sundays could see footy being played from 8am to 10pm, and one prayed
for wet weekends.

HTH.
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:26:34 +0000, Terry Fields
wrote:

So, ball comes over garden for the millionth time. For the millionth
time, kid grasps top of wall to pull himself over. Feels hand is in
something disagreeable, removes hand and inspects it, wipes it on
expensive designer football shirt. Complains to other kids.

Other kids then want to see for themselves, so pattern of events
repeats.

That is great! I will buy some cheap grease when i next go shopping

I would have been tempted to puncture any footballs that came over
before throwing them back! you showed some control there!

Tom Woods wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:26:34 +0000, Terry Fields
wrote:

So, ball comes over garden for the millionth time. For the millionth
time, kid grasps top of wall to pull himself over. Feels hand is in
something disagreeable, removes hand and inspects it, wipes it on
expensive designer football shirt. Complains to other kids.

Other kids then want to see for themselves, so pattern of events
repeats.

That is great! I will buy some cheap grease when i next go shopping

The legal advice I had then was that the grease was OK - but it
doesn't mean it is still the case :-(

I would have been tempted to puncture any footballs that came over
before throwing them back! you showed some control there!

That's illegal, and the reason why I didn't do it.
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For the cost of a tin of molyslip grease, about £3-4 IIRC, peace
breaks out.

Amazingly, the local cats, that liked to sleep in the sun on top of
the wall, are far smarter at not getting into a mess, by testing the
new substance tentatively with a paw. Pike off to find somewhere else.
Birds grateful. Football fizzles out as a pastime, which is nice as
Sundays could see footy being played from 8am to 10pm, and one prayed
for wet weekends.

We had that for years in the office carpark opposite our house, more than 12
hours at weekends and public holidays and after office hours until after
dark at other times. The youths wouldn't play football as such, instead they
kicked balls as hard as they could against large wooden garage walls. It was
awful. All the management would do was put up a feeble notice advising
'children' not to play in the grounds. The youths said that it didn't apply
to them because they weren't children and that the security people said they
could 'play' there. They had to climb oer a low wall or padlocked gates to
get access. If I'd thought about molyslip I might have tried that.

Eventually I got it stopped by accidentally locating the site manager (he's
not based there) and suggesting that the presence of such tresspassers was
compromising the security of the site as a whole. He saw the sense of that,
he's had a lot of trouble with security. Since then we've had blessed
peace - two years of it. All the local residents hated it but they looked to
me to 'do something about it'.

The building is used by 'Leeds Healthcare'. I tried explaining to the
management that persistent noise can cause a lot of health problems but once
they'd gone home at 5 pm they didn't care.

Sorry for rambling, your post brought it all back ...

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:


"Terry Fields" wrote in message
.. .

For the cost of a tin of molyslip grease, about £3-4 IIRC, peace
breaks out.

Amazingly, the local cats, that liked to sleep in the sun on top of
the wall, are far smarter at not getting into a mess, by testing the
new substance tentatively with a paw. Pike off to find somewhere else.
Birds grateful. Football fizzles out as a pastime, which is nice as
Sundays could see footy being played from 8am to 10pm, and one prayed
for wet weekends.

We had that for years in the office carpark opposite our house, more than 12
hours at weekends and public holidays and after office hours until after
dark at other times. The youths wouldn't play football as such, instead they
kicked balls as hard as they could against large wooden garage walls. It was
awful.

Sorry for rambling, your post brought it all back ...

Mary


No problem.

Even after the passage of time, the sound of a football being bounced,
perhaps just a couple of times, brings it all back.

Amazing thing, sensitisation.....
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:08:17 +0000, Tom Woods wrote:

Ive recently had trouble with people (kids as far as i know) coming
into my back garden and causing trouble. My house backs onto a council
garage area and my drive (to the rear) is currently open to the road
and the rest of the garden only had a 3 foot wall round it.

I have now just about finished enlarging the wall to 6 foot and am
about to make some big gates.

If i wanted to put something sharp spikey and painful on the top of my
wall or gates where do i stand? Are there any legalities involved in
this?

I dont want to get in trouble because some little scrote cut his hands
open trying to climb over my wall.

Can I just do as i like?

As others say, not exactly. What no-one else has mentioned is 'prickler'
strips (or whatever they're called) of sharp plastic pyramid-shaped spikes
which claim to be sharp enough to deter climbing but not to injure. I've
seen them at a local builders merchants and they do feel as if you
wouldn't like to put much pressure on them. They should cover you legally
since you're patently setting out to obtain reasonable protection of
your property without causing injury to would-be trespassers. Whether they
stop the kids depends on how much incentive there is for them to get in I
suppose.

On 19/02/2007 12:21, John Stumbles wrote:

What no-one else has mentioned is 'prickler' strips

The OP suggested them himself about half an hour later (3rd direct reply
here, propagation may vary)

The retailers seem to suggest using a warning notice with it
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/ima...ka_warning.jpg

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:35:15 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

On 19/02/2007 12:21, John Stumbles wrote:

What no-one else has mentioned is 'prickler' strips

The OP suggested them himself about half an hour later (3rd direct reply
here, propagation may vary)

Ah yes - sure that wasn't on the thread when I posted though.

The retailers seem to suggest using a warning notice with it
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/ima...ka_warning.jpg

Fairy Nuff, though my hunch is that's more for the deterrent effect than
legal protection.

Probably already been said, but I do not want to trawl through all the
postings. Why not just use 'dog cra4p' instead? It would look lovely
when mixed with the white track-suits and Burberry check. That way you
could say that it must have been done by somebody's pet and not your
responsibility but you will jet wash it off as a gesture of good will.
Of course make sure that the water pressure is not set too high on the
jet wash as you never know where the sh1t will land. IYSWIM


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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:39:51 +0000 (UTC), "Clive Dive"
wrote:

Probably already been said, but I do not want to trawl through all the
postings. Why not just use 'dog cra4p' instead? It would look lovely
when mixed with the white track-suits and Burberry check. That way you
could say that it must have been done by somebody's pet and not your
responsibility but you will jet wash it off as a gesture of good will.
Of course make sure that the water pressure is not set too high on the
jet wash as you never know where the sh1t will land. IYSWIM

I'd still like to enjoy my garden without having to put up with the
smell of ****e!
There is actually a fair bit in the grass on the outside of the wall
(popular route for dog walkers) and that doesnt seem to put them off.
It has been putting me off as I have had to shift it all to get on
with my building!

Tom Woods wrote:
Ive recently had trouble with people (kids as far as i know) coming
into my back garden and causing trouble. My house backs onto a council
garage area and my drive (to the rear) is currently open to the road
and the rest of the garden only had a 3 foot wall round it.

I have now just about finished enlarging the wall to 6 foot and am
about to make some big gates.

If i wanted to put something sharp spikey and painful on the top of my
wall or gates where do i stand? Are there any legalities involved in
this?

I dont want to get in trouble because some little scrote cut his hands
open trying to climb over my wall.

Can I just do as i like?

You can't do as you like, but if they are actually trespassing when they get
injured, then you are not to blame, that is to say, you can put barbed wire,
razor wire etc *on your property* and you are in the clear - if it's
accessible from outside your property, IE overhanging, then you could get
into lumber...most supermarkets and large retailers opt for this stuff,
which is firmly bolted to the top of the wall, and the entire width of the
wall is legally their property, ergo, anyone who is unauthorised is
tresspassing before they come into contact with it.

http://www.steelfence.co.uk/product_antiscale.html

The one I'm looking for is far more spiky than this one, but you get my
drift

Tom Woods wrote:
Ive recently had trouble with people (kids as far as i know) coming
into my back garden and causing trouble. My house backs onto a council
garage area and my drive (to the rear) is currently open to the road
and the rest of the garden only had a 3 foot wall round it.

I have now just about finished enlarging the wall to 6 foot and am
about to make some big gates.

If i wanted to put something sharp spikey and painful on the top of my
wall or gates where do i stand? Are there any legalities involved in
this?

I dont want to get in trouble because some little scrote cut his hands
open trying to climb over my wall.

Can I just do as i like?

A couple of Claymore M18A1's 'll sort the buggers ;-)

Don.

(Hug a Hoodie...they need love too!)

THe most difficult thing to climb is a badly put up fence that
wobbles !

A solid brick wall 9-11 foot high is a 'challenge' that every kid will
want to climb..especially if it's not obvious what's the other side
(nothing much more tempting than a secret garden..)

If you really need a solid brick wall, and have the space...build a
nasty loose wobbly fence about 6 foot behind it so when the kids get
up on top of the brick wall, it'll be a good jump to get over the
second fence and into your garden...with the added complexity of
having to climb said wobbly fence to get back out again in a hurry
(with a precarious jump from the wobbly fence to the brick wall)

Secondly, a nice patch of mud the other side of the wobbly fence will
deter the fashionable kids with posh trainers.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:08:17 +0000, Tom Woods wrote:

I dont want to get in trouble because some little scrote cut his hands
open trying to climb over my wall.

You can use "prickler strips" which are bands of short spikes,
uncomfortable to get hold of but non-lethal. Also consider a stripe of
anti-climb paint near the top of the wall.