About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi
vis clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

The Medway Handyman wrote:
About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi
vis clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.



It's probably been too windy...

in 610174 20070120 100308 Stuart Noble wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi
vis clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.



It's probably been too windy...

The house occupants were too old for that sort of vibrator.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:03:08 GMT, Stuart Noble wrote:

It's probably been too windy...

Quite likley. I spotted a small, very much B&Q like, turbine on a house
near us this morning. I've not seen it before so I fairly sure it is very
new. Now this house is just above the 440m (1440') contour and directly
exposed pretty much all the way from South to North via West. Superb open
views across the South Tyne valley just like us.

This morning at the time I drove past (0745) my anemometer (at 1400') was
giving a mean speed of F6 Strong Breeze 25mph NW'ly gusting to the mid
30's mph. This turbine was hardly rotating. Now I don't know what the
design RPM is for these things in that sort of wind but I should imagine
it's a little more than the 20 or 30 RPM (2 sec or more per revolution)
that this one was doing. It looked to me as if it was being braked, I
don't think the blades were feathered.

I half know the people who live there I shall have to enquire... Note
that this house is probably in a pretty ideal location, so if it isn't
making a decent amount of power most of the time a similar turbine
elsewhere just isn't going to do anything useful, at least as far as
energy generation is concerned.

For us F0 to the start of F6 Strong Breeze (25mph+ sustained) is not
windy at all. F6 is a "little windy" but nothing out of the ordinary.
"Windy" is F7 Near Gale (32mph+ sustained), in winter any decent Atlantic
depression will produce winds to that level (5 in Nov, 9 in Dec, 4 in Jan
so far...). "Very windy" is F8 Severe Gale (42mph+ sustained), just 4 in
the last couple of months. Gust speeds are generally 10mph above the
sustained speed with the odd half dozen/hour 15 to 20mph above the
sustained speed. Vistors nearly always comment on the wind and unless it
really is blowing a Gale our reponse is normally "What wind?"...

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

The Medway Handyman pretended :
About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi vis
clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one, nor are they
green if you do the sums.

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment, but that does not mean
that there are not reasons to install one in the right
circumstances. The same can be said of replacing single glazing with
double glazing.

nor are they green if you do the sums.

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment,

Certainly not a long term financial investment. If you google for
figures from the people that have recorded their total output, you'll
see theyre more total loss than investment. If anyone were getting
payback then their good figures would get published as well.

If you do the sums regarding windspeeds in populated areas, again same
deal. These things are a sad misapplication of technology that makes a
workable fringe technology look terrible.


NT

wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment,

Certainly not a long term financial investment. If you google for
figures from the people that have recorded their total output, you'll
see theyre more total loss than investment. If anyone were getting
payback then their good figures would get published as well.

It _may_ be a realistic financial investment - for those off grid, in
windy areas.

If you're paying the equivalent of say 50p/Kwh from a generator +
battery bank.

For a house on a windy hilltop, with no trees round it, it may even
break even if there is mains electricity.

(neglecting the fact that cheaper more effective turbines can be had)

Your average house, well, no.

Ian Stirling wrote:
wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment,

Certainly not a long term financial investment.

It _may_ be a realistic financial investment - for those off grid, in
windy areas.

Your average house, well, no.

That's the problem, their site surveys say great, lets sell you one,
even when payback for 99% of the population is never going to occur.
Its the package thats bad rather than windgen technology, unfortunately
the public will interpret it that windgens are no good.


NT

In article ,
David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep
hoping to spot the house owner so I can ask.

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment, but that does not mean
that there are not reasons to install one in the right
circumstances.

I'm willing to bet spending the same money on near any house on extra
insulation would conserve more energy than one of those will generate.

The same can be said of replacing single glazing with
double glazing.

Double glazing cuts down noise - not makes it.

nor are they green if you do the sums.

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.

More correctly, the figures produced to advertise such devices are
*always* a con.

--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:35:10 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:-

I'm willing to bet spending the same money on near any house on extra
insulation would conserve more energy than one of those will generate.

Nowhere will you find anyone with an understanding of sustainability
urging people to rush out and buy a house mounted wind turbine as
the first thing they do. That is just a straw man put up by some.

Some party politicians may urge people to rush out and buy such a
turbine first, but they can defend themselves.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:25:48 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:35:10 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:-

I'm willing to bet spending the same money on near any house on extra
insulation would conserve more energy than one of those will generate.

Nowhere will you find anyone with an understanding of sustainability
urging people to rush out and buy a house mounted wind turbine as
the first thing they do. That is just a straw man put up by some.

Some party politicians may urge people to rush out and buy such a
turbine first, but they can defend themselves.

It would be interesting to know the (environmental) cost of producing
these windmills...

--
Frank Erskine

On 2007-01-20 14:25:48 +0000, David Hansen
said:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:35:10 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:-

I'm willing to bet spending the same money on near any house on extra
insulation would conserve more energy than one of those will generate.

Nowhere will you find anyone with an understanding of sustainability
urging people to rush out and buy a house mounted wind turbine as
the first thing they do. That is just a straw man put up by some.

Some party politicians may urge people to rush out and buy such a
turbine first, but they can defend themselves.

How does a turbine defend itself? Do the toy windmill blades have
sharp edges?
They would need to be going round first of course....

In article ,
David Hansen wrote:
I'm willing to bet spending the same money on near any house on extra
insulation would conserve more energy than one of those will generate.

Nowhere will you find anyone with an understanding of sustainability
urging people to rush out and buy a house mounted wind turbine as
the first thing they do. That is just a straw man put up by some.

But that's the way the majority perceive it. Doing something 'active'
rather than passive like insulation. Something to show - and show your
neighbours - for the money.

Some party politicians may urge people to rush out and buy such a
turbine first, but they can defend themselves.

No political party has even scratched the surface with ideas about saving
energy.

--
*I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:59:38 +0000, David Hansen wrote:

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.

People produce figures to "support" claims that "wind turbines" are green.
However, that does not mean that the figures are correct.

Steve Firth wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:59:38 +0000, David Hansen wrote:

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.

People produce figures to "support" claims that "wind turbines" are green.
However, that does not mean that the figures are correct.

The obvious thing would be for each B&Q store to have one installed,
coupled to an in-store display showing real-time and historic output
data.

submitted this idea :
Steve Firth wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:59:38 +0000, David Hansen wrote:

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.

People produce figures to "support" claims that "wind turbines" are green.
However, that does not mean that the figures are correct.

The obvious thing would be for each B&Q store to have one installed,
coupled to an in-store display showing real-time and historic output
data.

These types of stores are usually built where there is a great deal of
open space or at least large car parks, such that the wind would be
less turbulent than it would be if installed at a typical semi. Air
turbulence makes a big difference to the efficiency of a windmill and
none of this seems to have been taken into account.

Therefore it would not be a fair comparison of likely output once
installed at a B&Q customers site.

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

wrote:

The obvious thing would be for each B&Q store to have one installed,
coupled to an in-store display showing real-time and historic output
data.

Why would any company do something that would
a) cost them money
b) wipe out 99% of sales ?


NT

On 2007-01-20 10:59:38 +0000, David Hansen
said:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:25:30 GMT someone who may be Harry Bloomfield
wrote this:-

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep
hoping to spot the house owner so I can ask.

Not worth the investment, if you were considering one,

Certainly a long term financial investment, but that does not mean
that there are not reasons to install one in the right
circumstances.

ROTFL. Like a 999 year lease?



The same can be said of replacing single glazing with
double glazing.

It *can* be. Whether it's true or not is another matter.



nor are they green if you do the sums.

People produce figures to "support" all such claims. However, that
does not mean that the figures are correct.

In any direction...

The Medway Handyman wrote:
About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi
vis clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

I wonder if it's because they are having problems with them? I keep hoping
to spot the house owner so I can ask.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

If you strap in on your car and drive up and down the street outside at
60 mph it works great - you need a long extention lead though.

On Jan 20, 9:34 am, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
About a month ago I spotted one of these being fitted to a house just around
the corner.

Guys fitting it had a brand new van, brand new access tower, brand new hi
vis clothing. Looked like they had just equipped themselves from scratch.

Same guys came back last week & removed it.

Maybe they'd put it on the wrong house.

http://www.scoraigwind.com/rooftop.html