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I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about
"the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." Here's a summary: - BS 7671:2008 will be published on 1st January 2008 and will come into effect on 1st June. It will have a red cover. - the subtitle will be "*IEE* Wiring Regulations 17th Edition" - not the "IET Wiring Regs" :~o - a draft for public comment will be published by the end of this year, with three months allowed for comments; (these drafts are usually available as free downloads, but will this one be?) - the familiar concepts of [protection against] electric shock by direct contact and indirect contact will disappear and be replaced by new terminology "basic [shock] protection" and "fault [shock] protection"; - the numbering system appears to change from its present hyphenated form to a decimal one (closer harmonisation with IEC 60364 here). The 600s and 700s will change round, so 600.x.x regulatations will be inspection and testing and 700.x.x will be the special locations; - there will be several new sections in the 700s, including requirements for small-scale embedded generators (i.e. micro-CHP, wind, solar PV, etc.), exhibition stands, underfloor & ceiling heating systems, marinas, fairgrounds(!) and possibly others I can't remember. The scope of the construction sites section will extend to include demolition activities. The present Section 607 (high protective conductor currents) will be absorbed into the main earthing rules (54.x.x); - there will be a new section on luminaires and lighting under the selection and erection heading; - *all* socket-outlets rated at 20 A or less (i.e. 13 A sockets) and intended for _general_use_ will require 30 mA RCD protection. Exceptions will be allowed (a) for labelled sockets for specific equipment (the freezer was used as an example here) and (b) for situations where the sockets are only for use by electrically skilled persons; - 30 mA RCD protection will also be required for circuits of up to 32 A feeding equipment outdoors, whether fixed or portable and even if not connected via a socket-outlet (I think, but this might not be 100% right). There are some very significant changes affecting bathrooms: - zone 3 will disappear. There will only be zones 0, 1 and 2 (there was no mention of the zone definitions changing); - *all* circuits feeding equipment (anywhere?) in a bath or shower room will require 30 mA protection - including lighting; - mains voltage socket outlets will be allowed - beyond the zones, presumably, and 30 mA RCD protected. This is already widely rumoured but actually it was only after the lecture and question session finished I realised that he hadn't mentioned it. It's clearly controversial (even though most of the rest of the world allows it) so maybe they're having second thoughts? We may just have to wait for the public draft; - provided that the new requirement for RCD protection of all circuits has been complied with, and compliant main equipotential bonding is in place then [fx: fanfare] there will no longer be any requirement for supplementary bonding in a bath or shower room. Discuss... -- Andy |
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I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about
"the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." Thanks for that - makes for interesting reading ! |
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Sounds a sensible set of revisions.
Which IET/IEE local group was it? Is the presentation likely to tour round other local groups? |
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Which IET/IEE local group was it? Cambridge: http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/...amb/events.cfm Is the presentation likely to tour round other local groups? Pass. -- Andy |
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Which IET/IEE local group was it?
Cambridge: Damn - my next to local group. |
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:27:18 +0000, Andy Wade
wrote: I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about "the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." Here's a summary: snip - *all* socket-outlets rated at 20 A or less (i.e. 13 A sockets) and intended for _general_use_ will require 30 mA RCD protection. Exceptions will be allowed (a) for labelled sockets for specific equipment (the freezer was used as an example here) and (b) for situations where the sockets are only for use by electrically skilled persons; Are electrically skilled persons exempt from shocks? :-) -- Frank Erskine |
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:27:18 +0000, Andy Wade
wrote: I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about "the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." Here's a summary: Discuss... As a punter I can't do detailed comments, but here is my thought for what it's worth. In the beginning was the 15 amp/5 amp plug with many adapters. This was replaced by ring mains and many plugs with less adapters. Then the RCD was born and reasonable safety became available for every consumer. Now we seem to be going back to the early days with single use plugs, duly labeled, on their own circuits and the ring main is being killed off. As people will largely ignore this and use a convenient socket, it seems pointless overkill? For example garages were required to have sophisticated installations, which are largely ignored. When faced with the cost, a cheap long lead was bought from a shed, the plug removed, the lead pushed through a hole in the garage wall, up the garden, through a hole in the house wall, plug replaced and put into the first convenient socket. Instant garage electrification! New builds will be fine as it will be compulsory to meet these requirements, but it will be snowflake in hell for existing houses, mine included. Does the word "Overkill" figure in these peoples vocabulary? Particularly on bathroom electrics. We seem to be in a situation in many fields where the natural desire to save lives has eclipsed common sense. The logical progress seems to be banning cars from the roads will result in nil road deaths, restrict use of household electricity so much that it has no practical use results in nil electrical deaths. Crucify any use of CO2 producing resources saves the world, without considering local consequences. The above is obviously simplistic and just intended as such since detailed comment would require it's own news group. |
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EricP wrote:
In the beginning was the 15 amp/5 amp plug with many adapters. This was replaced by ring mains and many plugs with less adapters. Then the RCD was born and reasonable safety became available for every consumer. Now we seem to be going back to the early days with single use plugs, duly labeled, on their own circuits and the ring main is being killed off. Which lines did you read between to arive at that conclusion? ISTM that ring final circuits are still very much the order of the day (and with time they become ever more suited to modern patterns of use). However if you mandate RCD protection for all such circuits (sensible IMHO), then you need to introduce an allowable exception for circuits which are low risk and where it would be counter productive to have RCD protection (the freezer example springs to mind) As people will largely ignore this and use a convenient socket, it seems pointless overkill? Would they though? if your kitchen has only one sensible place to stand the freezer and the socket next to it is marked "For Freezer Only"... For example garages were required to have sophisticated installations, which are largely ignored. When faced with the cost, a cheap long lead was bought from a shed, the plug removed, the lead pushed through a hole in the garage wall, up the garden, through a hole in the house wall, plug replaced and put into the first convenient socket. Instant garage electrification! While I am sure that doess happen, I must confess to never having seen it done as a long term solution. New builds will be fine as it will be compulsory to meet these requirements, but it will be snowflake in hell for existing houses, mine included. In reality I don't see actual practice changing much anyway since it is largely in line with what is being proposed (i.e. All new installations I have seen (and done) include all the general purpose socket circuits on the RCD protected side anyway even though there is currently no requirement to do so in the 16th edition) As with any existing install there is no requirement to bring it up to modern standards. Does the word "Overkill" figure in these peoples vocabulary? Particularly on bathroom electrics. Again, with the possible exception of RCD protected lighting circuits in the bathroom, I don't see much change here on a practical level. Removing the need for suplimentary bonding and moving some of the responsibility for protection over to RCDs seems more in line with current practice (i.e. RCD protecting power used in bathrooms) and current error (i.e. not having suplimentary bonding up to scratch). We seem to be in a situation in many fields where the natural desire to save lives has eclipsed common sense. The logical progress seems to be banning cars from the roads will result in nil road deaths, While I agree there is far to much nannyism about, I don't see the proposed changes to the wiring regs[1] as adding to it in any significant way. Which aspect in particular were you thinking of? [1] This assumes you are taking the 16th edition as your baseline. If you are taking how a typical 1950's property was originally wired as a basline, then I can see that the new edition would appear to be a very significant change in policy! ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote:
Instant garage electrification! While I am sure that doess happen, I must confess to never having seen it done as a long term solution. Don't think I have either, but a few times I have seen an old practice that must date from what one might call the F. J. Camm era. The shed or garage installation consisted of a few round-pin sockets, together with a light or two. When electricity was required a special extension lead would appear, one with a plug at each end... As with any existing install there is no requirement to bring it up to modern standards. Except insofar as the safety of new work isn't compromised. Adding, say, a fan or shaver point to an existing lighting circuit under the proposed new rules will presumably mean adding RCD protection for the whole circuit. And most new work relies on existing earthing and bonding which often has to be upgraded to the current standard. Does the word "Overkill" figure in these peoples vocabulary? That's what people were saying in 1966 when lighting circuits were required, for the first time, to have earth continuity conductors (as CPCs were called at that time). -- Andy |
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John Rumm wrote: EricP wrote: For example garages were required to have sophisticated installations, which are largely ignored. When faced with the cost, a cheap long lead was bought from a shed, the plug removed, the lead pushed through a hole in the garage wall, up the garden, through a hole in the house wall, plug replaced and put into the first convenient socket. Instant garage electrification! While I am sure that doess happen, I must confess to never having seen it done as a long term solution. OK, not in a garage, but I have seen this done... An aquaintance works as a secretary in an office. I saw that she had at home a roll of perhaps 5m of cable with a plug at both ends. Horrified, I asked what it was for. "it's to make the photocopier work". Apparently, when the office electrical system had its last periodic inspection, one circuit was disconnected because it was deemed unsafe. So to get around this problem, she constructed this extension lead to go from one side of the office to the other, plugging the "extension" into the same double socket outlet as the photocopier. When asked if she thought it could be dangerous she replied, "No, no. I take it home with me every weekend so the cleaner won't have an accident." It turns out she had been electricuted twice already by this contraption. Perhaps public information films or something is a better idea to stop these things from happening than more regulation? Jon. |
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from Andy Wade contains these words: - *all* circuits feeding equipment (anywhere?) in a bath or shower room will require 30 mA protection - including lighting; I wonder how many people a year fry themselves on bathroom ceiling lights. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Andy Wade wrote:
I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about "the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." What (if anything) did they have to say about Part P then? Here's a summary: - BS 7671:2008 will be published on 1st January 2008 and will come into effect on 1st June. It will have a red cover. - the subtitle will be "*IEE* Wiring Regulations 17th Edition" - not the "IET Wiring Regs" :~o They probably could not face the barrage of questions about where the regs have gone! - a draft for public comment will be published by the end of this year, with three months allowed for comments; (these drafts are usually available as free downloads, but will this one be?) Would be nice if they did a version available as a paid for download. I would really like an electronically searchable version, and would be happy to pay for one, but not at the level they currently charge for the CD based version! (I have found dodgy scanned copies available for download in the past, but those are entirely graphic and not searchable) - the familiar concepts of [protection against] electric shock by direct contact and indirect contact will disappear and be replaced by new terminology "basic [shock] protection" and "fault [shock] protection"; Probably makes more sense... - there will be several new sections in the 700s, including requirements for small-scale embedded generators (i.e. micro-CHP, wind, solar PV, etc.), It will be interesting to see what requirements they place in these sections. Also interesting to see how many of the current B&Q wind turbine type devices comply. exhibition stands, underfloor & ceiling heating systems, marinas, fairgrounds(!) and possibly others I can't remember. The scope of the construction sites section will extend to include demolition activities. The present Section 607 (high protective conductor currents) will be absorbed into the main earthing rules (54.x.x); - there will be a new section on luminaires and lighting under the selection and erection heading; Any idea as to content? - *all* socket-outlets rated at 20 A or less (i.e. 13 A sockets) and intended for _general_use_ will require 30 mA RCD protection. Exceptions will be allowed (a) for labelled sockets for specific equipment (the freezer was used as an example here) and That was predictable enough... more a case of the regs catching up with current practice. (b) for situations where the sockets are only for use by electrically skilled persons; Who are presuably used to getting shocks by now ;-) - 30 mA RCD protection will also be required for circuits of up to 32 A feeding equipment outdoors, whether fixed or portable and even if not connected via a socket-outlet (I think, but this might not be 100% right). Be interesting to see if that does apply to submains. There are some very significant changes affecting bathrooms: - zone 3 will disappear. There will only be zones 0, 1 and 2 (there was no mention of the zone definitions changing); - *all* circuits feeding equipment (anywhere?) in a bath or shower room will require 30 mA protection - including lighting; If you assume mandated RCD protection, then Zone 3 as a concept becomes almost indistinguisable from the practices which are currently permitted "outside" the zones. So one presumes what was Zone 3 becomes outside. - mains voltage socket outlets will be allowed - beyond the zones, presumably, and 30 mA RCD protected. This is already widely rumoured but actually it was only after the lecture and question session finished I realised that he hadn't mentioned it. It's clearly controversial (even though most of the rest of the world allows it) so maybe they're having second thoughts? We may just have to wait for the public draft; You can see the logic of allowing power sockets for connection of things like washing machines in large bathrooms (or very small flats!) for example. However I anticipate that the one place Jo Public would probably really like to have a socket would be next to the basin for feeding their hair dryer etc. It will be interesting to see if they perhaps extend Zone 2 to include basins so as to prevent this while allowing the former. (although if as you say there is no suggestion of changing the zone definitions then perhaps this would become alowed) - provided that the new requirement for RCD protection of all circuits has been complied with, and compliant main equipotential bonding is in place then [fx: fanfare] there will no longer be any requirement for supplementary bonding in a bath or shower room. What will we have left to talk about then! ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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(b) for situations where the
sockets are only for use by electrically skilled persons; Who are presuably used to getting shocks by now ;-) I was trying to think of the logic behind this exception. One that springs to mind is diagnostics on known faulty equipment. Particularly an intermittent RCD tripping fault might be hard to track down with a loss of state the moment the fault occurs. Another would be max earth loop current testing (though probbaly only a very temporary setup). Others? |
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John Rumm wrote:
Andy Wade wrote: What (if anything) did they have to say about Part P then? Nothing you don't already know, probably. The legal requirement ("reasonable provision..." etc.), the approved document, notifiable and non-notifiable work, competent persons schemes, applicability in mixed premises, and so on. Nothing particularly controversial, or anti-DIY, just the party line that you must involve building control. Would be nice if they did a version available as a paid for download. I would really like an electronically searchable version, and would be happy to pay for one, but not at the level they currently charge for the CD based version! Yes, but flying pigs and hell freezing over come to mind. This is the BSI you're talking about. But you never know - and Part P will help here since ready availability of the standard is key to compliance. (I have found dodgy scanned copies available for download in the past, but those are entirely graphic and not searchable) OCRable? - there will be a new section on luminaires and lighting under the selection and erection heading; Any idea as to content? No, except that he did mention the street lighting stuff that's currently in section 611 would move there. Otherwise one could guess that rules for things like ELV (12 V halogen) lighting might be added. If you assume mandated RCD protection, then Zone 3 as a concept becomes almost indistinguisable from the practices which are currently permitted "outside" the zones. So one presumes what was Zone 3 becomes outside. Agreed. However I anticipate that the one place Jo Public would probably really like to have a socket would be next to the basin for feeding their hair dryer etc. It will be interesting to see if they perhaps extend Zone 2 to include basins so as to prevent this while allowing the former. (although if as you say there is no suggestion of changing the zone definitions then perhaps this would become alowed) As I said, most of the rest of the world has allowed it for ages, so why not the UK? A socket at, say, 300 mm from a basin is probably no more dangerous than one at the same distance from a kitchen sink - probably safer in fact since the basin will usually be non-conductive, unlike the the metal sink which is most probably fortuitously earthed via its pipework. What will we have left to talk about then! ;-) I doubt that that will be a problem :~) Electricians unaware of the new regime for a start... -- Andy |
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Would be nice if they did a version available as a paid for download. I would really like an electronically searchable version, and would be happy to pay for one, but not at the level they currently charge for the CD based version! Yes, but flying pigs and hell freezing over come to mind. This is the BSI you're talking about. But you never know - and Part P will help here since ready availability of the standard is key to compliance. Except they could argue that Part P is available for "free" (lets face it, that is all it is worth)... Just the docs that make it usable cost plenty! (I have found dodgy scanned copies available for download in the past, but those are entirely graphic and not searchable) OCRable? Have to see if my aging copy of Omnipage can hack a PDF... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Have to see if my aging copy of Omnipage can hack a PDF... If not Photoshop will rasterise any PDF page, then save as GIF or whatever and proceed from there. For such a large document though you'll have an awful lot of manual editing to do... -- Andy |
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John Rumm wrote: Have to see if my aging copy of Omnipage can hack a PDF... If not Photoshop will rasterise any PDF page, then save as GIF or whatever and proceed from there. Not a bad idea actually.... you can create actions or droplets in PS to automate that bit. Oh, in fact - Extract - Images as TIFF in Acrobat (full version, not reader) seems to do it for you. For such a large document though you'll have an awful lot of manual editing to do... Probably true... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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wrote this:- - there will be several new sections in the 700s, including requirements for small-scale embedded generators (i.e. micro-CHP, wind, solar PV, etc.), It will be interesting to see what requirements they place in these sections. Also interesting to see how many of the current B&Q wind turbine type devices comply. These regulations aren't written in isolation, but rather those involved are aware of what is going on. I have no doubt that manufacturers have had long discussions with the IET in order that what they currently produce will comply with the new regulations, perhaps with some small changes. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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"Andy Wade" wrote in message ... I went to a local IEE (oh, sorry, IET) branch meeting this week about "the wiring regulations and Part P." The speaker was John Ware (senior engineer in the IET standards and compliance department). The interesting part was the introduction given to the forthcoming "17th Edition." Here's a summary: ! There are some very significant changes affecting bathrooms: - zone 3 will disappear. There will only be zones 0, 1 and 2 (there was no mention of the zone definitions changing); What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? Have I missed something? Mary |
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There are some very significant changes affecting bathrooms: - zone 3 will disappear. There will only be zones 0, 1 and 2 (there was no mention of the zone definitions changing); What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? Have I missed something? Where have you been? ;-) http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/NL139supp.pdf Table 2 and 3 tell you what can go in each zone. The last three pages show how to work out where they start and stop. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: There are some very significant changes affecting bathrooms: - zone 3 will disappear. There will only be zones 0, 1 and 2 (there was no mention of the zone definitions changing); What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? Have I missed something? Where have you been? ;-) Obviously not in the bathroom! http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/NL139supp.pdf Table 2 and 3 tell you what can go in each zone. The last three pages show how to work out where they start and stop. The whole thing is very interesting, thank you. It does seem to make common sense complicated ... Spouse has always done electrical and plumbing work with these safety precautions, for more than thirty years. Mind you, he was trained by my godfather, a master plumber who cared about safety and good work but not about rules. I'm wondering about 'wet rooms'. As I understand it water is everywhere in those, do they not have lights? I'm going to send this to Spouse (his pc is downstairs before you think he's escaped - although right now he has, to return the extractor fan from the bathroom). Thanks again, Mary |
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I'm wondering about 'wet rooms'. As I understand it water is everywhere in those, do they not have lights? You need to use an appropriate type of light fitting. Have a look at table 1 of the document. IPX7 fittings can be totally immersed if required. For your average wet room IPX5 would be more common though, installed in Zone 3. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: I'm wondering about 'wet rooms'. As I understand it water is everywhere in those, do they not have lights? You need to use an appropriate type of light fitting. Have a look at table 1 of the document. IPX7 fittings can be totally immersed if required. For your average wet room IPX5 would be more common though, installed in Zone 3. We've no intention of having a wet room, I can't think of anything less desirable :-) The shower in Spouse's ward was virtually a wet room, the wshower sprayed everywhere and the waste ran through a drain in the centre of the floor. It was nice showering in there but that was all. Everything else got wet - seat, washbasin, towel rail, door ... the floor needed to be mopped clean after every use. Anything which neded to be kept dry would have to be outside the room. What a fag! Mary |
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wrote this:- What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? There are also drawings on the packets of some lights in large tin sheds. Beware, many of these drawings are incorrect, as they show a zone around basins that does not exist. Have I missed something? A change to the wiring regulations in about 2000. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:55:51 -0000 someone who may be "Mary Fisher" wrote this:- What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? There are also drawings on the packets of some lights in large tin sheds. Beware, many of these drawings are incorrect, as they show a zone around basins that does not exist. Good job we don't buy lights in sheds then :-) Have I missed something? A change to the wiring regulations in about 2000. Apparently. That's the trouble with diy, you don't HAVE to keep up with things for the sake of your employment so whether you'd like to or not you might miss something. Mary |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... "David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:55:51 -0000 someone who may be "Mary Fisher" wrote this:- What's zone 3? Come to that, what are zones 0, 1 and 2? There are also drawings on the packets of some lights in large tin sheds. Beware, many of these drawings are incorrect, as they show a zone around basins that does not exist. Good job we don't buy lights in sheds then :-) Have I missed something? A change to the wiring regulations in about 2000. Apparently. That's the trouble with diy, you don't HAVE to keep up with things for the sake of your employment so whether you'd like to or not you might miss something. Mary Contrary wise ... that's the beauty of this newsgroup ... advising folks of what's current/coming! I've now postponed purchase of the 'regs' until the 'Seventeenth Edition' ..... if I'd have bought one from Borders/Waterstone (whatever) I'd doubt they'd have advised 'Keep yer money, Mate ... there's a new edition soon!" -- Brian |
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"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message ... .... Have I missed something? A change to the wiring regulations in about 2000. Apparently. That's the trouble with diy, you don't HAVE to keep up with things for the sake of your employment so whether you'd like to or not you might miss something. Mary Contrary wise ... that's the beauty of this newsgroup ... advising folks of what's current/coming! Yebut it seems I'm six years out of date. What's more, I asked Spouse what Zones in bathrooms were. He looked at me from his perch at the top of the big steps as though he was joining the rest of you around here in thinking that I'd lost the plot and said he hadn't the faintest idea. I've now postponed purchase of the 'regs' until the 'Seventeenth Edition' .... if I'd have bought one from Borders/Waterstone (whatever) I'd doubt they'd have advised 'Keep yer money, Mate ... there's a new edition soon!" I'm going to mail him the url given earlier. He'll say that's what he's done since the year dot anyway, I know, but it will give him a bit of pleasure to be right. Yet again :-( Mary |
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