Hi All

We bought ourselves a Yardmaster steel garage kit, more as a shed than
a garage, to house 'stuff' while we get ourselves sorted out after the
move to the South-West of Ireland.

In short - it's been a bit of a pain.
The thing is 10ft x 17ft when erected, but has been 'engineered' to
fit into 'courier-friendly' packagaing - so nothing's longer than
about 6ft. This means that many parts of the structure have to be
fabricated from smaller parts - everything held together by tiny
self-tapping screws.
The instructions made the cryptic crossword look simple g

Many of the panels and metal 'girders' were missing their punched
holes, and the holes for the self-tappers to 'bite' into were somewhat
variable in their size - so some screws were difficult to tighten
effectively. Water sealing is achieved (or not !) by plastic washers
under the self-tappers. Most of the holes didn't line up, and required
some effort to 'pull' the metal panels into place so that the screw
could be inserted. To add insult to injury - the kit came with three
time more plastic washers than you actuall need - but short by about
150 self-tapping screws ! Bah !

Anyway - finally got the thing together, and lined out inside with
polystyrene slabs to prevent condensation. Sadly - condensation isn't
an issue - the darn thing actually leaks like a sieve.

I've added some split-in-half foam insulation either side under the
apex, in case the rain's getting blown up the roof - but this doesn't
seem to have cured it.

So far, the only solution I can think of is to remove each of the tiny
self-tappers in the roof one by one and put them back with a dab of
clear mastic - as I can't see where else the rain can be getting in.
Not looking forward to this as a way of spending a day - but if that's
what it takes.....

Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??

Thanks in anticipation
Adrian

"Adrian" wrote in message
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Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??

I bought a smaller model about a year ago. I had little trouble assembling
(apart from lifting the roof on). It's important you assemble on a really
flat base as any distortion can throw the hole alignment out.

So far no trouble with leaking apart from some seepage under the base rails.
I am going to put some guttering on to avoid this.

Adrian wrote:


Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??

I've got the 9' x 12' version and had a similar problem, though not to
the same extent as you and my solution was much as you describe. I
didn't bother to remove all the leaking screws, just spent half an hour
with a tube of clear silicone sealant squirting it around them. It's
worked for the last six years without leaking,

Cheers,

John

On 2006-10-30 17:59:04 +0000, Adrian said:


'Sposed to be fine tomorrow - perhaps I'll have a play..... g



Does RTE still do the weather forecast from Blarney Castle? ;-)

HI John

On 30 Oct 2006 05:24:02 -0800, "John Anderton"
wrote:


Adrian wrote:


Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??

I've got the 9' x 12' version and had a similar problem, though not to
the same extent as you and my solution was much as you describe. I
didn't bother to remove all the leaking screws, just spent half an hour
with a tube of clear silicone sealant squirting it around them. It's
worked for the last six years without leaking,


Aha - sounds as if I might be on the right track.

Just annoying to have to 're-engineer' their duff design -

I used to have a tube of some 'special' sealant which claimed to be
able to 'seep' into gaps and seal such things - but I guess
'bog-standard' silicon will do the same.

Maybe the screws don't need to be taken out completely - just
slackened off far anough to get a thin smear of silicon on the threads
under the washer - then screw 'em back in.

'Sposed to be fine tomorrow - perhaps I'll have a play..... g

Thanks
Adrian

HI Andy

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:45:56 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2006-10-30 17:59:04 +0000, Adrian said:


'Sposed to be fine tomorrow - perhaps I'll have a play..... g



Does RTE still do the weather forecast from Blarney Castle? ;-)

Don't malign them, I have it on good authority that they took delivery
of a new piece of seaweed only last week g

In the short time we've lived out here, it's become apparent that we
should look at the waether forecast as giving a general auggestion of
what might possibly be going to occur. Frequently, the weather that's
predicted passes right over the top of us and goes on to (rain)
somewhere else.

We're about 8 miles from Bantry - to get there we go up & over a
reasonably high mountain pass. The weather 'that side' is often
significantly different to what we get 'this side' - so the idea of a
weather forecast covering even the south-west of the Republic is
really quite laughable ....

The good thing is that we seem to get changeable weather - so if you
don't particulary like what's happening at the moment you only have to
wait a few hours for something different to come along....

Adrian

On 2006-10-30 22:06:50 +0000, Adrian said:

HI Andy

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:45:56 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2006-10-30 17:59:04 +0000, Adrian said:


'Sposed to be fine tomorrow - perhaps I'll have a play..... g



Does RTE still do the weather forecast from Blarney Castle? ;-)

Don't malign them, I have it on good authority that they took delivery
of a new piece of seaweed only last week g

In the short time we've lived out here, it's become apparent that we
should look at the waether forecast as giving a general auggestion of
what might possibly be going to occur. Frequently, the weather that's
predicted passes right over the top of us and goes on to (rain)
somewhere else.

We're about 8 miles from Bantry - to get there we go up & over a
reasonably high mountain pass. The weather 'that side' is often
significantly different to what we get 'this side' - so the idea of a
weather forecast covering even the south-west of the Republic is
really quite laughable ....


Macgillycuddy's Reeks? Remember the Goons going on about that?



The good thing is that we seem to get changeable weather - so if you
don't particulary like what's happening at the moment you only have to
wait a few hours for something different to come along....

I can see that the Irish perspective on life has started to reach you
already. Good thing.

HI Andy

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:29:11 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2006-10-30 22:06:50 +0000, Adrian said:

HI Andy

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:45:56 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2006-10-30 17:59:04 +0000, Adrian said:


'Sposed to be fine tomorrow - perhaps I'll have a play..... g



Does RTE still do the weather forecast from Blarney Castle? ;-)

Don't malign them, I have it on good authority that they took delivery
of a new piece of seaweed only last week g

In the short time we've lived out here, it's become apparent that we
should look at the waether forecast as giving a general auggestion of
what might possibly be going to occur. Frequently, the weather that's
predicted passes right over the top of us and goes on to (rain)
somewhere else.

We're about 8 miles from Bantry - to get there we go up & over a
reasonably high mountain pass. The weather 'that side' is often
significantly different to what we get 'this side' - so the idea of a
weather forecast covering even the south-west of the Republic is
really quite laughable ....


Macgillycuddy's Reeks? Remember the Goons going on about that?

No - I don't remember hat - though I sort of had the name at the back
of my mind, wondered how it got there g

Anyway - they're 'up North' from us, and not the hills we drive over
to get to Bantry



The good thing is that we seem to get changeable weather - so if you
don't particulary like what's happening at the moment you only have to
wait a few hours for something different to come along....

I can see that the Irish perspective on life has started to reach you
already. Good thing.


It's a matter of being adaptable, and not wasting energy on things
that you can't change anyway g

Lovely bright 'crisp' morning today - looks to be set fair for the
next few days. Now where's me mastic gun ?? g

Adrian

replying to Adrian, Brian wrote:
adrian wrote:

Hi All
We bought ourselves a Yardmaster steel garage kit, more as a shed than
a garage, to house 'stuff' while we get ourselves sorted out after the
move to the South-West of Ireland.
In short - it's been a bit of a pain.
The thing is 10ft x 17ft when erected, but has been 'engineered' to
fit into 'courier-friendly' packagaing - so nothing's longer than
about 6ft. This means that many parts of the structure have to be
fabricated from smaller parts - everything held together by tiny
self-tapping screws.
The instructions made the cryptic crossword look simple g
Many of the panels and metal 'girders' were missing their punched
holes, and the holes for the self-tappers to 'bite' into were somewhat
variable in their size - so some screws were difficult to tighten
effectively. Water sealing is achieved (or not !) by plastic washers
under the self-tappers. Most of the holes didn't line up, and required
some effort to 'pull' the metal panels into place so that the screw
could be inserted. To add insult to injury - the kit came with three
time more plastic washers than you actuall need - but short by about
150 self-tapping screws ! Bah !
Anyway - finally got the thing together, and lined out inside with
polystyrene slabs to prevent condensation. Sadly - condensation isn't
an issue - the darn thing actually leaks like a sieve.
I've added some split-in-half foam insulation either side under the
apex, in case the rain's getting blown up the roof - but this doesn't
seem to have cured it.
So far, the only solution I can think of is to remove each of the tiny
self-tappers in the roof one by one and put them back with a dab of
clear mastic - as I can't see where else the rain can be getting in.
Not looking forward to this as a way of spending a day - but if that's
what it takes.....
Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??
Thanks in anticipation
Adrian


Hi Adrian. I've just erected a 10 x 6 Yardmaster shed and it's not bad. I
can suggest two reasons why your holes don't align - it's not the fault of
the manufacture. Firstly, as you know, the screws go through the large
hole into the small hole where they bite into the panel. But because the
large hole is larger than the screw shank you can put the panel a few
millimteres off the hole centre in any direction. This actually aids
assembly because it allows for some adjustment. The second reason is
distortion or twisting in any plane. If any strut or panel is not "square"
to its neighbours, or if the shed corners are not square or if the walls
are not vertical, then you will find that things get more and more out of
alignment as you continue with the assembly. That's why the large holes
are useful - to allow for some distortion. I found it best to fit the
screws loosely into each panel and then tighten them afterwards. That way
I had little difficulty with alignment. There were only a couple of design
mistakes where the large hole lined up over another large hole, so I used
the screw plates supplied for these.
Re the leaking, yes I have this problem in two places. I agree the plastic
washers do not sit flat on some of the roof panels and so water can get
beneath. This is made worse because it is possible for the two panels
being joined to end up in different parts of the screw thread, so their
surfaces aren't clamped tightly together and water can get in between and
down the screws.The screws have a deep thread so this is quite likely.
Machine screws would be better but they need nuts. I agree, sealant
required! I am also putting sealant around the inside of the base to
prevent water seeping in from outside. Do you have that problem?
Regards.

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On 06/08/2015 00:44, Brian wrote:
replying to Adrian, Brian wrote:
adrian wrote:

Hi All
We bought ourselves a Yardmaster steel garage kit, more as a shed than
a garage, to house 'stuff' while we get ourselves sorted out after the
move to the South-West of Ireland.
In short - it's been a bit of a pain.
The thing is 10ft x 17ft when erected, but has been 'engineered' to
fit into 'courier-friendly' packagaing - so nothing's longer than
about 6ft. This means that many parts of the structure have to be
fabricated from smaller parts - everything held together by tiny
self-tapping screws. The instructions made the cryptic crossword look
simple g
Many of the panels and metal 'girders' were missing their punched
holes, and the holes for the self-tappers to 'bite' into were somewhat
variable in their size - so some screws were difficult to tighten
effectively. Water sealing is achieved (or not !) by plastic washers
under the self-tappers. Most of the holes didn't line up, and required
some effort to 'pull' the metal panels into place so that the screw
could be inserted. To add insult to injury - the kit came with three
time more plastic washers than you actuall need - but short by about
150 self-tapping screws ! Bah !
Anyway - finally got the thing together, and lined out inside with
polystyrene slabs to prevent condensation. Sadly - condensation isn't
an issue - the darn thing actually leaks like a sieve.
I've added some split-in-half foam insulation either side under the
apex, in case the rain's getting blown up the roof - but this doesn't
seem to have cured it.
So far, the only solution I can think of is to remove each of the tiny
self-tappers in the roof one by one and put them back with a dab of
clear mastic - as I can't see where else the rain can be getting in.
Not looking forward to this as a way of spending a day - but if that's
what it takes.....
Just wondered of anybody else has had the misfortune to buy one of
these things - and if they managed to make theirs watertight ??
Thanks in anticipation
Adrian


Hi Adrian. I've just erected a 10 x 6 Yardmaster shed and it's not bad. I
can suggest two reasons why your holes don't align - it's not the fault of
the manufacture. Firstly, as you know, the screws go through the large
hole into the small hole where they bite into the panel. But because the
large hole is larger than the screw shank you can put the panel a few
millimteres off the hole centre in any direction. This actually aids
assembly because it allows for some adjustment. The second reason is
distortion or twisting in any plane. If any strut or panel is not "square"
to its neighbours, or if the shed corners are not square or if the walls
are not vertical, then you will find that things get more and more out of
alignment as you continue with the assembly. That's why the large holes
are useful - to allow for some distortion. I found it best to fit the
screws loosely into each panel and then tighten them afterwards. That way
I had little difficulty with alignment. There were only a couple of design
mistakes where the large hole lined up over another large hole, so I used
the screw plates supplied for these. Re the leaking, yes I have this
problem in two places. I agree the plastic
washers do not sit flat on some of the roof panels and so water can get
beneath. This is made worse because it is possible for the two panels
being joined to end up in different parts of the screw thread, so their
surfaces aren't clamped tightly together and water can get in between and
down the screws.The screws have a deep thread so this is quite likely.
Machine screws would be better but they need nuts. I agree, sealant
required! I am also putting sealant around the inside of the base to
prevent water seeping in from outside. Do you have that problem?
Regards.


HI Brian
Well - the shed's still standing (my original post was dated October
2006) - so I guess that says something about its robustness -
particularly as a slot-together tubular garden rose-arch that we put up
last year has rusted into its component sections in under 12 months
exposure to our salt-laden south-west-of-Ireland rain.

It's been a while, but I seem to remember I had a go with the handy
mastic gun and smeared a blob of mastic on top of the visible screwheads.

The shed's still damp in one or two spots - my 'planned' summer job for
the last two years has been to get in there and toss out all the bits of
'useful-diy-bits' that are "just waiting for the Right Job to come along
to be useful..." but, so far, I've had a shortage of round tuits...
and the schedule may slip again!

As to leakage around the base, I sat the whole thing on top of a treated
timber platform, and the arranged a strip of damp-proof-course plastic
to be trapped under the bottom edge of the side-walls, and overlap the
edge of the timber platform - so diverting all the rainwater past the
edge of the platform. Seems to have worked so far.

If I was tackling the same project again I wouldn't use the Yardmaster -
I'd either get a little man in (my 12 x 24 timber shed / glass workshop
cost rather more than the Yardmaster - but it's in a different class
entirely. Prefabbed by a local firm, concrete plinth, torch-on felt
roof) - or I'd make something myself with decent-sized sheets of coated
profile steel. Having said that, the Yardmaster was a convenient
solution at the time, and it's still standing!

Adrian

replying to Adrian, barney wrote:
I have just bought the 10ft x 10ft have put it up and I'm having same problem
the trouble is getting at the screws again on top of the roof to reseal them
again trying to think of another way any ideas please let me know.

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On Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:44:03 UTC+1, barney wrote:
replying to Adrian, barney wrote:
I have just bought the 10ft x 10ft have put it up and I'm having same problem
the trouble is getting at the screws again on top of the roof to reseal them
again trying to think of another way any ideas please let me know.

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You're answering a ten year old post.

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:44:03 UTC+1, barney wrote:
replying to Adrian, barney wrote:
snip
posted from
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...le-298620-.htm

You're answering a ten year old post.

It's normal for these people using that homeowner website to access
USENET.
Maybe the posting dates are invisble.

On 08/04/2016 21:18, Geo wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Thursday, 7 April 2016 14:44:03 UTC+1, barney wrote:
replying to Adrian, barney wrote:
snip
posted from
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...le-298620-.htm

You're answering a ten year old post.

It's normal for these people using that homeowner website to access
USENET.
Maybe the posting dates are invisble.


In fairness, the my original post was 30th October 2006,
but it did get revived again in August 2015, and then again on 7th April
2016.

Seems that Yardmaster are still churning out the same (leaky!) design -
so I guess it's sorta relevant.

The homeownershub 'leech' site does show the date on each post - but who
reads the small print? g

Can't quite see 'where the money is' on the homeownershub site -
maybe they're planning on getting loads of leeched traffic and then
trying to flog page advertising off the back of it? Strange...

Adrian

replying to Adrian Brentnall, The bont wrote:
Hi there.just baught the yardmaster 8x6 shed(July 2019).the trouble I have is
water getting in through the outside corner posts .I thougt at first the water
was coming in from under the frame base,but discovered with the help of a hose
pipe,that the rain gets blown through each corner,runs down the inside then
onto the ply board base

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replying to Adrian, Andy1969 wrote:
Exactly that

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replying to Adrian, Andy1969 wrote:
Exactly that

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replying to Adrian, Andy1969 wrote:
Exactly that

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replying to Adrian, Andy1969 wrote:
Exactly that

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Adrian I bought one of their 10ft by 10ft sheds I've had exactly the same problem they are a load of crap in the end I took out all the silly self-tapping screws which if you slightly over tighten they just spin and don't tighten at all
I decided to get my riveter out and rivet the whole bloody thing together it seems to be a lot better but it's still leaks structurally though it's very strong or at least it is now I would not recommend to anybody to buy one of these sheds I just feel like tearing it down and throwing it in the bin

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Don't hold back tell us what you really think!
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Adrian I bought one of their 10ft by 10ft sheds I've had exactly the same
problem they are a load of crap in the end I took out all the silly
self-tapping screws which if you slightly over tighten they just spin and
don't tighten at all
I decided to get my riveter out and rivet the whole bloody thing together
it seems to be a lot better but it's still leaks structurally though it's
very strong or at least it is now I would not recommend to anybody to buy
one of these sheds I just feel like tearing it down and throwing it in the
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chris wrote:
Adrian I bought one of their 10ft by 10ft sheds I've had exactly the same
problem they are a load of hcrap in the end I took out all the silly
self-tapping screws which if you slightly over tighten they just spin and
don't tighten at a
I decided to get my riveter out and rivet the whole
bloody thing together it seems to be a lot better but it's still leaks
structurally though it's very strong or at least it is now I would not
recommend to anybody to buy one of these sheds I just feel like tearing
it down and throwing it in the bin


We had a shed for nearly 20 years, it was in the Garden when we bought the
house. I suspect it was 5 years old when we moved in- a bit of a guess.

No problems with leaks until we had a tree cut back and the tree surgeon
dropped a log on the roof. No amount of pushing and bending could get the
joins to seal in the area so we replaced the shed.

But for the log, and my wife wanting a nice wooden shed, it would still be
there and over 30 years old

If youve damaged the screw holes it isnt really the fault of the product.

On 10/09/2020 22:43, chris wrote:
Adrian I bought one of their 10ft by 10ft sheds I've had exactly the
same problem they are a load of crap in the end I took out all the silly
self-tapping screws which if you slightly over tighten they just spin
and don't tighten at all
I decided to get my riveter out and rivet the whole bloody thing
together it seems to be a lot better but it's still leaks structurally
though it's very strong or at least it is now I would not recommend to
anybody to buy one of these sheds I just feel like tearing it down and
throwing it in the bin


Well - it was 13 years ago that we installed the thing and I posted the
original message - and the shed's still standing.

Leaks like a leaky thing - and the contents are well-overdue for a
serious 'throwing-away' session - but it hasn't blown away - and we have
had some serious gales out here in the last 13 years...

Still feel that there are many better ways to make a shed - and that the
Yardmaster suffers greatly from having been 'engineered' (using the term
loosely!) so it fits into small packages for couriering.

I wouldn't buy one again - but this one served its purpose..

One of the jobs planned for lockdown was to get in there and dump
whatever was dumpable - but that didn't happen..

Adrian

On 11/09/2020 08:38, Radio Man wrote:
chris wrote:
Adrian I bought one of their 10ft by 10ft sheds I've had exactly the same
problem they are a load of hcrap in the end I took out all the silly
self-tapping screws which if you slightly over tighten they just spin and
don't tighten at a
I decided to get my riveter out and rivet the whole
bloody thing together it seems to be a lot better but it's still leaks
structurally though it's very strong or at least it is now I would not
recommend to anybody to buy one of these sheds I just feel like tearing
it down and throwing it in the bin


We had a shed for nearly 20 years, it was in the Garden when we bought the
house. I suspect it was 5 years old when we moved in- a bit of a guess.

No problems with leaks until we had a tree cut back and the tree surgeon
dropped a log on the roof. No amount of pushing and bending could get the
joins to seal in the area so we replaced the shed.

But for the log, and my wife wanting a nice wooden shed, it would still be
there and over 30 years old

If youve damaged the screw holes it isnt really the fault of the product.

Keter plastic sheds are good brian ......no insects no condensation

i have the same problem water droplets on the under side of the roof, yardmaster.
only bought it to store tools in a rust free environment which it clearly isn't.
droplets seem too much to be condensation. waste of money

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an old thread I know. Spray adhesive. thermawrap insulation from Screwfix. cut spray stick to underside of the roof. Condensation gone. Bobs your uncle!

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On 27/12/2020 17:30, michael terheege wrote:
i have the same problem water droplets on the under side of the roof,
yardmaster.
only bought it to store tools in a rust free environment which it
clearly isn't.
droplets seem too much to be condensation. waste of money



I strong recommend you read this before you reply again to to a 14 year
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Most of us will have absolutely no idea what you've just read.

I strongly suggest that somebody in power at that forum looks toward a way
of locking old threads.
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On 27/12/2020 17:30, michael terheege wrote:
i have the same problem water droplets on the under side of the roof,
yardmaster.
only bought it to store tools in a rust free environment which it clearly
isn't.
droplets seem too much to be condensation. waste of money



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