I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Probably these:-
http://www.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/W...?Category=1171

I would like to avoid fitting false walls as is normal, instead
feeding the pipes up through the floor.

I have been to see the toilet and think I can fit that OK with a flexi
pan connector like this:-
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...35949&id=17529


The waste on the bidet is possibly more of a problem due to restricted
space.
Has anyone successfully fitted one of these with a bottle trap and
some kind of flexible 40mm waste pipe that allows all connections to
be made & tested and then pushed back against the wall?


Alternatively has anyone seen similar modern designs that have an open
at the back design?

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:34:47 +0100, blackbat
wrote:

I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Does anybody actually _use_ a bidet? I know a lot of people that have
these things, but none of them ever use (or admit to using) 'em :-)

I have the impression that they are just a "must have" accessory.

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Frank Erskine

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:16:38 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:34:47 +0100, blackbat
wrote:

I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Does anybody actually _use_ a bidet? I know a lot of people that have
these things, but none of them ever use (or admit to using) 'em :-)

I have the impression that they are just a "must have" accessory.

I've got two in the house and I admit to using 'em.
Sometimes at the same time.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:48:43 +0100, blackbat
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:16:38 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:34:47 +0100, blackbat
wrote:

I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Does anybody actually _use_ a bidet? I know a lot of people that have
these things, but none of them ever use (or admit to using) 'em :-)

I have the impression that they are just a "must have" accessory.

I've got two in the house and I admit to using 'em.
Sometimes at the same time.

What - one for each cheek? :-)

And you're going to add a third one? In a 'small' cloakroom?

I'm assuming you're in the South East of England where there's a
serious shortage of water. Get real...

--
Frank Erskine

I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Remember that the trap for the bidet needs a 32mm diameter trap with a 75mm
seal. Check that any proposed trap has these dimensions.

You may find it easier to place the trap somewhat remotely (within reason,
as the trap must be "directly" after the appliance, so you can't put it too
far away). It must also be accessible.

Christian.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:15:51 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

And you're going to add a third one? In a 'small' cloakroom?

No - replacing one in a different position, so I'll still have two.
One upstairs & one downstairs.

Seriously, a bidet is not something I would have put in but I
inherited one when I moved into this house and I do really recommend
them. That's as much detail as I'm willing to go into...

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:36:47 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

You may find it easier to place the trap somewhat remotely (within reason,
as the trap must be "directly" after the appliance, so you can't put it too
far away). It must also be accessible.


Hmmm, maybe under the floorboards, directly underneath the bidet....

blackbat wrote:
I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Probably these:-
http://www.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/W...?Category=1171

I would like to avoid fitting false walls as is normal, instead
feeding the pipes up through the floor.

I have been to see the toilet and think I can fit that OK with a flexi
pan connector like this:-
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...35949&id=17529


The waste on the bidet is possibly more of a problem due to restricted
space.
Has anyone successfully fitted one of these with a bottle trap and
some kind of flexible 40mm waste pipe that allows all connections to
be made & tested and then pushed back against the wall?


Alternatively has anyone seen similar modern designs that have an open
at the back design?

The back to the wall toilet needs a concealed cistern, so you have to
have a false wall, or it won't flush! If the trap for the bidet will be
inaccessible, use a hepVo valve instead - they don't need taking apart
to clear blockages. You can then use flexi pipe if you need to - BES do
a decent one with a smooth inner surface. I'd only use flexi pipes with
smooth insides (including the flexi soil pipe), as you don't get stuff
hanging around stuck to the ridges.

A

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:34:47 +0100, blackbat
wrote:

I am going to fit a *floor standing* back to wall close coupled toilet
and bidet in a small cloakroom.

Does anybody actually _use_ a bidet? I know a lot of people that have
these things, but none of them ever use (or admit to using) 'em :-)

I've often wondered that. We don't have one but some neighbours do. One had
to have one because she couldn't buy her chosen bathroom suite without it.
She has a separate toilet but there's no room there for a bidet so it has to
go in the bathroom.

I have the impression that they are just a "must have" accessory.

I think they're daft.

Mary

--
Frank Erskine

On 26 Oct 2006 13:04:28 -0700, "
wrote:


The back to the wall toilet needs a concealed cistern, so you have to
have a false wall, or it won't flush!
The ones that I'm interested in are close coupled, the cistern isn't
hidden - like this:-
http://www.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/W...ctDetail=28340
Easier to install with a false wall admittedly but apparently possible
to feed from underneath with a struggle.


If the trap for the bidet will be
inaccessible, use a hepVo valve instead - they don't need taking apart
to clear blockages. You can then use flexi pipe if you need to - BES do
a decent one with a smooth inner surface. I'd only use flexi pipes with
smooth insides (including the flexi soil pipe), as you don't get stuff
hanging around stuck to the ridges.

The hepVo looks interesting, gotta admit I'd not seen them before.
Can they fit straight under the bidet in the same way as a bottle
trap?

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:09:18 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I think they're daft.

Don't care - still want one.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:28:01 +0100, Owain
wrote:

Sometimes at the same time.

Yebbut what for?


It *was* a joke.

blackbat wrote:
On 26 Oct 2006 13:04:28 -0700, "
wrote:


The back to the wall toilet needs a concealed cistern, so you have to
have a false wall, or it won't flush!
The ones that I'm interested in are close coupled, the cistern isn't
hidden - like this:-
http://www.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/W...ctDetail=28340
Easier to install with a false wall admittedly but apparently possible
to feed from underneath with a struggle.


If the trap for the bidet will be
inaccessible, use a hepVo valve instead - they don't need taking apart
to clear blockages. You can then use flexi pipe if you need to - BES do
a decent one with a smooth inner surface. I'd only use flexi pipes with
smooth insides (including the flexi soil pipe), as you don't get stuff
hanging around stuck to the ridges.

The hepVo looks interesting, gotta admit I'd not seen them before.
Can they fit straight under the bidet in the same way as a bottle
trap?

Yes - they attach straight to the waste pointing down , or using a
knuckle bend, can go horizontally.
I'd definitely use one for his.

The wc you're looking at is not a btw then!

Fitting both is easy enough - use rigid pipe, cut, position and support
carefully, then push it all together.

A

On 26 Oct 2006 15:06:54 -0700, "
wrote:


The wc you're looking at is not a btw then!

Tis too ;-P
BTW but not wall mounted.
Nothing open at the bottom so no pipes show. You gotta connect up
using flexis, test for leaks whilst away from the wall then push it
back.

Ta for the replies

On 2006-10-26 22:55:36 +0100, blackbat said:

On 26 Oct 2006 13:04:28 -0700, "
wrote:


The back to the wall toilet needs a concealed cistern, so you have to
have a false wall, or it won't flush!
The ones that I'm interested in are close coupled, the cistern isn't
hidden - like this:-
http://www.boundarybathrooms.co.uk/W...ctDetail=28340
Easier to install with a false wall admittedly but apparently possible
to feed from underneath with a struggle.


If the trap for the bidet will be
inaccessible, use a hepVo valve instead - they don't need taking apart
to clear blockages. You can then use flexi pipe if you need to - BES do
a decent one with a smooth inner surface. I'd only use flexi pipes with
smooth insides (including the flexi soil pipe), as you don't get stuff
hanging around stuck to the ridges.

The hepVo looks interesting, gotta admit I'd not seen them before.
Can they fit straight under the bidet in the same way as a bottle
trap?

Yes. They are very effective both in this type of situation and in
others where one doesn't want pipework showing.

"blackbat" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:09:18 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I think they're daft.

Don't care - still want one.

LOL! I wasn't trying to persuade you - it was an opinion, not a dictat :-)

Mary

replying to blackbat, Will I am wrote:
Why go to the expense and space when all you have to do is pull the flush then
wash your self in the toilet pan* *

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...et-297330-.htm

Will I am wrote:
replying to blackbat, Will I am wrote:
Why go to the expense and space when all you have to do is pull the
flush then wash your self in the toilet pan* *

**** off you stupid ****, that post was from eleven years ago.