We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark on
the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time to move
the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible). Has anyone
had any experience of moving a back boiler?
We haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

Jo

In article ,
Jo wrote:
We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark
on the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time
to move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible).
Has anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler? We haven't
obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

I presume you mean scrapping the back boiler and installing a new one in
the loft?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:53:48 +0100, Jo wrote:

We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark on
the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time to move
the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible). Has anyone
had any experience of moving a back boiler?
We haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

You do not want to move that boiler anywhere except to the scrap man.
You may not reuse it, it is too old to be of any further use.
You almost certainly may not replace it with another back boiler.

You could do worse that to look over the BoilerChoice FAQ below.


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"Jo" wrote in message
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We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark on
the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time to
move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible). Has
anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler?
We haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

Jo

Aah!, I think I may have got the wrong end of the stick. Sorry for such a
daft question. Yes, of course we would need to scrap the boiler and install
a new one. I didn't realise that the back boiler was attached to the gas
fire in some way. In any case, the existing one doesn't do a very good job
of heating the house, so a complete reshuffle would be good.

On 2006-09-27 08:44:59 +0100, "Jo" said:


"Jo" wrote in message
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We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark
on the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time
to move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible).
Has anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler?
We haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

Jo

Aah!, I think I may have got the wrong end of the stick. Sorry for
such a daft question. Yes, of course we would need to scrap the boiler
and install a new one. I didn't realise that the back boiler was
attached to the gas fire in some way. In any case, the existing one
doesn't do a very good job of heating the house, so a complete
reshuffle would be good.

OK, well given that, you can site a boiler in the loft.

There are a few issues, but not insurmountable ones.

- The boiler will need to be a condensing model because of new energy
saving legislation from last year. This will give improved gas
consumption especially in comparison with a old back boiler.
However, a small drain will need to be provisioned to allow condensate
water from the boiler to be fed away. Typical options for this might
be to feed it down to join a soil stack in the bathroom for example.

- Power and gas will need to be provisioned for the loft.

- A boarded area, safety rail and ladder for the loft will need to be
provided to the loft. These are probably useful anyway.

The message
from Andy Hall contains these words:

- Power and gas will need to be provisioned for the loft.

Someone near here has a very ugly 22mm pipe running up to the loft on
the outside of the house. Because of the slightly tortuous route it's
got about half a dozen wiggles in it. Shame they couldn't go up next to
the internal soil-stack. If I ever have to put the boiler in the loft
that may be what I'll do.

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Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:28:45 +0100, Guy King wrote:

The message
from Andy Hall contains these words:

- Power and gas will need to be provisioned for the loft.

Someone near here has a very ugly 22mm pipe running up to the loft on
the outside of the house. Because of the slightly tortuous route it's
got about half a dozen wiggles in it. Shame they couldn't go up next to
the internal soil-stack. If I ever have to put the boiler in the loft
that may be what I'll do.

Don't forget to comply with the regs about gas pipes in vertical ducts.
All in the BS docs linked below.



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Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

The message .uk
from Ed Sirett contains these words:

Don't forget to comply with the regs about gas pipes in vertical ducts.
All in the BS docs linked below.

Don't suppose you can remember which one?

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Jo" wrote in message
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We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark on
the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good time to
move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is feasible). Has
anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler?
We haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

I think you will find if you can find a knowledgeable enough plumber a back
bolier can be replaced like for like and non-condensing, as this is not a
suitable place for a condensing boiler.

My mate had his Baxi Bermuda back boiler and fire front done quite recently
(to a new Baxi and flame fire front). Main issues we-

- there is no way to vent the fumes (existing flue goes staight upto roof).
- Can't vent sideway as front of house is just windows and at rear of house
end up next to back door.
- there is no where to drain any condensate
- All the water, hot water and CH pipes are in the back boiler space.
- Plumbers want to fit condensing boiler in kitchen/loft/anywhere as they
then can charge £4-5K.

Anyway a gas fitter/plumber came round, spent a while looking, filled a form
to work out if possible to fit an alternative, eyed up kitchen cupbards to
put boiler there, measured required pipework/bent lengths and a lot of other
stuff and said "it's a back boiler for you mate". Something to do with
scoring and locations. Anyway I think my mate said £2.2K total for
replacement boiler + some other work (replacing leaking radiators) +
replacing some damaged valves in airing cupboard.

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Ian_m wrote:
We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark
on the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good
time to move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is
feasible). Has anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler? We
haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

I think you will find if you can find a knowledgeable enough plumber a
back bolier can be replaced like for like and non-condensing, as this
is not a suitable place for a condensing boiler.

Snag is a back boiler is about the most inefficient type known to man.
There were more efficient alternatives 30 years ago, let alone now.

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*Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:17:07 +0100, Guy King wrote:

The message .uk
from Ed Sirett contains these words:

Don't forget to comply with the regs about gas pipes in vertical ducts.
All in the BS docs linked below.

Don't suppose you can remember which one?
BS 6891

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The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ian_m wrote:
We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark
on the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good
time to move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is
feasible). Has anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler? We
haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

I think you will find if you can find a knowledgeable enough plumber a
back bolier can be replaced like for like and non-condensing, as this
is not a suitable place for a condensing boiler.

Snag is a back boiler is about the most inefficient type known to man.
There were more efficient alternatives 30 years ago, let alone now.

Problem is in this type of terraced house there is simply no other place for
the boiler to go. Kitchen was too small (2.3m x 2.3m) to loose a cupboard
for it + venting with exit near his or neighbours windows. Back boiler space
again venting with exit near his or his neighbours windows/door. Loft is not
very high and would have been on far side of HWCH tank with no access from
loft hatch other than climb over HW/CH tank so rejected as unsuitable. All
my mate wanted was a replacement boiler, didn't care where as long as
reasonable cost and didn't involve ripping the house apart too much.

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:18:34 +0100, Ian_m wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ian_m wrote:
We have a very noisy Baxi Bermuda back boiler. We are about to embark
on the redecoration of our living room and feel it would be a good
time to move the boiler into the loft (we understand that this is
feasible). Has anyone had any experience of moving a back boiler? We
haven't obtained any quotes yet, but guess it will be an expensive job!

I think you will find if you can find a knowledgeable enough plumber a
back bolier can be replaced like for like and non-condensing, as this
is not a suitable place for a condensing boiler.

Snag is a back boiler is about the most inefficient type known to man.
There were more efficient alternatives 30 years ago, let alone now.

Problem is in this type of terraced house there is simply no other place for
the boiler to go. Kitchen was too small (2.3m x 2.3m) to loose a cupboard
for it + venting with exit near his or neighbours windows. Back boiler space
again venting with exit near his or his neighbours windows/door. Loft is not
very high and would have been on far side of HWCH tank with no access from
loft hatch other than climb over HW/CH tank so rejected as unsuitable. All
my mate wanted was a replacement boiler, didn't care where as long as
reasonable cost and didn't involve ripping the house apart too much.

In this situation you should easily be able to get an exemption from the
need to install a condensing boiler. It then comes down to price and
what's possible with the flue.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards