I live in a small Edwardian terraced house.

I plan to extend out the kitchen into the garden and create a small
toilet/laundry room under the stairs. The underneath of the stairs
adjoins the kitchen. And the plan is to take a small piece of the
kitchen to create the room.

However, there is gas and electricity meters and supply and the water
supply all underneath the stairs. The plan was to move the meters
outside and house them in a box. The water pipe is infact lead and
leads upstairs to the loft but we wanted to remove this and fit a new
condensing combi boiler in the kitchen.

While we are removing the floorboard and digging up the path to remove
the lead pipes and move around the gas and electricity. Is there
anything else we shoudl think of doing. the soil for the toilet will
not go out of the front of the house but towards the back through the
kitchen to an existing sewer.

Any tips on how we can go about this cost effectively and what else we
should think about doing as we are upheaving everything.

A

Londoncityslicker wrote:
I live in a small Edwardian terraced house.

I plan to extend out the kitchen into the garden and create a small
toilet/laundry room under the stairs. The underneath of the stairs
adjoins the kitchen. And the plan is to take a small piece of the
kitchen to create the room.


You'll need toi make it a fairly large piece because you can't have a toilet
adjoining a kitchen without an ante-space...unless you can put the door into
the toilet somewhere else - in the hall perhaps?

However, there is gas and electricity meters and supply and the water
supply all underneath the stairs. The plan was to move the meters
outside and house them in a box. The water pipe is infact lead and
leads upstairs to the loft but we wanted to remove this and fit a new
condensing combi boiler in the kitchen.


The electricity and gas suppliers will charge you for moving meters, you'll
need to check with them and find out how much.

While we are removing the floorboard and digging up the path to remove
the lead pipes and move around the gas and electricity. Is there
anything else we shoudl think of doing. the soil for the toilet will
not go out of the front of the house but towards the back through the
kitchen to an existing sewer.


You don't need to remove the lead water main, you only need to lay alkathene
to the front boundary and the water board will connect it up for you for
free, it's up to them to remove the dead leg, if indeed it is a dead leg, it
may go on to supply other houses in the street....see above WRT the moving
of mains gas and electricity and meters.

Any tips on how we can go about this cost effectively and what else we
should think about doing as we are upheaving everything.

A

There's no limit on what you can spend or what you can do, you'd be wise to
find out the pros and cons of moving the meters first, work out whether you
can actually have a toilet in the proposed area and get rough estimates for
the work including the extension, and *then* get plans drawn (plans can cost
upward of £600 to have drawn, a waste of money if the lowest 'guesstimate'
is 20k over your budget)

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from "Phil L" contains these words:

I plan to extend out the kitchen into the garden and create a small
toilet/laundry room under the stairs. The underneath of the stairs
adjoins the kitchen. And the plan is to take a small piece of the
kitchen to create the room.


You'll need toi make it a fairly large piece because you can't have a
toilet
adjoining a kitchen without an ante-space...unless you can put the
door into
the toilet somewhere else - in the hall perhaps?

Last time I checked (several years ago now) that had ceased to be a
requirement along with some other restrictions such as ceiling heights
which now only apply to stairways.

--
Roger Chapman

Owain wrote:
Phil L wrote:
You'll need toi make it a fairly large piece because you can't have
a toilet adjoining a kitchen without an ante-space...

Yes you can, provided you have a washbasin in there as well as
mechanical ventilation linked to the light-switch.

Owain

Different LA's must use different variations of it then, because it's still
in force around these parts!...although you are correct WRT building regs.
That is to say, when plans are drawn and submitted thery always have an
ante-space in this situation, whether they would pass or fail on this is
unknown.

The message k
from "Phil L" contains these words:

Different LA's must use different variations of it then, because it's still
in force around these parts!...although you are correct WRT building regs.
That is to say, when plans are drawn and submitted thery always have an
ante-space in this situation, whether they would pass or fail on this is
unknown.

Where is "these parts"? LAs is England and Wales just don't have the
discretion to depart from the rules in that manner.

--
Roger Chapman

Roger wrote:
The message k
from "Phil L" contains these words:

Different LA's must use different variations of it then, because
it's still in force around these parts!...although you are correct
WRT building regs. That is to say, when plans are drawn and
submitted thery always have an ante-space in this situation, whether
they would pass or fail on this is unknown.

Where is "these parts"? LAs is England and Wales just don't have the
discretion to depart from the rules in that manner.

When you are dealing with BCO's every day, you soon learn to do what you are
told, regardless of any rules, otherwise life becomes hard, very hard.

Different LA's must use different variations of it then, because it's
still in force around these parts!...although you are correct WRT building
regs.

It was a relatively recent rule change. You just have a Luddite BCO who
isn't up to speed.

The previous rules were that you needed two doors. The new rules are that
you only need one door and a wash basin. This was done after tests showed
that it was contamination of the hands that was significant. Aerosol
contamination was an urban myth.

Christian.

You'll need toi make it a fairly large piece because you can't have a
toilet adjoining a kitchen without an ante-space...unless you can put
the
door into the toilet somewhere else - in the hall perhaps?

I thought that had been superceded, as long as there were hand washing
facilities in the toilet. ICBW.

My understanding is that they had been superceded without exception.

You need hand washing facilities between the toilet and the kitchen. You may
not rely on the kitchen sink for hand washing facilities, even if there were
100 doors between them. Maybe I'm wrong.

Christian.