Just bought one of these wireless alarm systems from TLC Direct
http://tinyurl.com/jpmlc

Actually, I went into a local electrical shop for something else, saw this
system and it came very highly recommended as being an excellent system and
*very* easy to install - no experience necessary said the guy in the shop. I
was interested and started doing some research then found the same kit for
£100 less at TLC. However, I'm beginning to regret that because if I'd
stayed local, at least I could have gone back for advice. Ah well, such is
life (

Anyway, the problem....

The kit comes with 3 wireless PIRs and none of them seem to detect movement.
Each PIR has a jumper that can be set to "walk test" mode and there's a red
LED that should come on when movement is detected. About every 4 minutes the
LED flashes twice as the PIR sends an "I'm alive and here" signal back to
the control unit but it just doesn't light up when you move.

The control unit is in the hallway with the zone 1 PIR mounted above it and
the unit reports Zone 1 PIR as signal strength 9, status OK. Zones 2 & 3
PIRs are reported as signal strength 7, status OK.

As I said, none of the PIRs do anything except their 4-minute "check-in"
with the control unit. Seems strange that all 3 should be faulty but that's
what it looks like, unless anyone here can put me right.

Cheers,

John.

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Just bought one of these wireless alarm systems from TLC Direct
http://tinyurl.com/jpmlc

Actually, I went into a local electrical shop for something else, saw this
system and it came very highly recommended as being an excellent system
and *very* easy to install - no experience necessary said the guy in the
shop. I was interested and started doing some research then found the same
kit for £100 less at TLC. However, I'm beginning to regret that because if
I'd stayed local, at least I could have gone back for advice. Ah well,
such is life (

Anyway, the problem....

The kit comes with 3 wireless PIRs and none of them seem to detect
movement. Each PIR has a jumper that can be set to "walk test" mode and
there's a red LED that should come on when movement is detected. About
every 4 minutes the LED flashes twice as the PIR sends an "I'm alive and
here" signal back to the control unit but it just doesn't light up when
you move.

The control unit is in the hallway with the zone 1 PIR mounted above it
and the unit reports Zone 1 PIR as signal strength 9, status OK. Zones 2 &
3 PIRs are reported as signal strength 7, status OK.

As I said, none of the PIRs do anything except their 4-minute "check-in"
with the control unit. Seems strange that all 3 should be faulty but
that's what it looks like, unless anyone here can put me right.

Cheers,

John.

To be more precise, I have the system set to "chime" when a detector
triggers until I get it all installed properly and while I was typing out my
original post the hallway detector was triggered twice. It seems that the
detectors *will* detect movement, but only *once* in the 4-minute period
between "check-in" signals.

John.

John wrote:


Just bought one of these wireless alarm systems from TLC Direct
http://tinyurl.com/jpmlc

Yup they are nice, I installed on for a friend at the start of the year.

Anyway, the problem....

The kit comes with 3 wireless PIRs and none of them seem to detect movement.
Each PIR has a jumper that can be set to "walk test" mode and there's a red
LED that should come on when movement is detected. About every 4 minutes the
LED flashes twice as the PIR sends an "I'm alive and here" signal back to
the control unit but it just doesn't light up when you move.

I don't think the LEDs do light up when they detect movement on these in
the same way as some other types do that light up like a christmas tree
every time (probably because the alarm supports covert detection and
reporting when using it in "monitored" mode. However in walk test mode
you ought to be able to trigger each sensor quite easily.

One thing I got cought out by was my friend installing the PIRs upside
down! I have to admit they do look more "natural" when the wrong way up
-but it did mean that they were looking primerily at the ceiling. Once
we turned them over it worked much better!


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Cheers,

John.

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John wrote:


Just bought one of these wireless alarm systems from TLC Direct
http://tinyurl.com/jpmlc

Yup they are nice, I installed on for a friend at the start of the year.

Anyway, the problem....

The kit comes with 3 wireless PIRs and none of them seem to detect
movement. Each PIR has a jumper that can be set to "walk test" mode and
there's a red LED that should come on when movement is detected. About
every 4 minutes the LED flashes twice as the PIR sends an "I'm alive and
here" signal back to the control unit but it just doesn't light up when
you move.

I don't think the LEDs do light up when they detect movement on these in
the same way as some other types do that light up like a christmas tree
every time (probably because the alarm supports covert detection and
reporting when using it in "monitored" mode. However in walk test mode you
ought to be able to trigger each sensor quite easily.

One thing I got cought out by was my friend installing the PIRs upside
down! I have to admit they do look more "natural" when the wrong way
up -but it did mean that they were looking primerily at the ceiling. Once
we turned them over it worked much better!

Thanks for the reply John. I thought, "That's it. It's gotta be"..... but
unfortunately it wasn't - or at least, I don't *think* it was. It did seem
to make a big difference to the walk test and I got all excited, but when I
tried it for real (system fully armed, 60 second exit countdown), I could
open the front door, walk up to the PIR and wave my hand in front of it
without triggering the alarm.

More head scratching, methinks.

Cheers,

John

John wrote:

Thanks for the reply John. I thought, "That's it. It's gotta be"..... but
unfortunately it wasn't - or at least, I don't *think* it was. It did seem
to make a big difference to the walk test and I got all excited, but when I
tried it for real (system fully armed, 60 second exit countdown), I could
open the front door, walk up to the PIR and wave my hand in front of it
without triggering the alarm.

More head scratching, methinks.

Try it again without the front cover on the PIR. If that works then you
need to slide the module inside up or down on its elongated hole fixing.
I found they are quite sensitive to the position (it is an adjustment
that again allows variation of the down angle (and hence range) they cover)

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Cheers,

John.

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To be more precise, I have the system set to "chime" when a detector
triggers until I get it all installed properly and while I was typing out my
original post the hallway detector was triggered twice. It seems that the
detectors *will* detect movement, but only *once* in the 4-minute period
between "check-in" signals.

John.

Lets hope any burglers you get, are on crutchs then ...;-)

Dave

gort wrote:

To be more precise, I have the system set to "chime" when a detector
triggers until I get it all installed properly and while I was typing out my
original post the hallway detector was triggered twice. It seems that the
detectors *will* detect movement, but only *once* in the 4-minute period
between "check-in" signals.

John.


Lets hope any burglers you get, are on crutchs then ...;-)

It would have to be a *very* rough neighbourhood to get more than one
every four minutes though ;-)

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Lets hope any burglers you get, are on crutchs then ...;-)

It would have to be a *very* rough neighbourhood to get more than one
every four minutes though ;-)

LOL, I can think of a few....

Dave

I have a similar system (Response) which has been very good for the last
about 7 years.

On mine.....

The walk test on mine illuminates the LED so you can explore / adjust the
detection area.

The LED does not illuminate in normal mode ( battery saving I guess)

Only one transmission is sent per 30 seconds approx - the unit is "bled -
charged" slowly, so when
the room is occupied, only one transmission is being sent every 30 seconds -
again a battery saving
measure I am sure - however, after 30 seconds of "no movement", a
transmission is sent immediately on
movement detection and the alarm will trigger if active - possibly after a
pre-settable entry delay
of 10/20/30 etc seconds so it may not appear to have been triggered
instantly.

Hope that helps

Nick

Nick wrote:

measure I am sure - however, after 30 seconds of "no movement", a
transmission is sent immediately on
movement detection and the alarm will trigger if active - possibly after a
pre-settable entry delay
of 10/20/30 etc seconds so it may not appear to have been triggered
instantly.

I believe the Infinite does similar sorts of things. It has the variable
entry delay. It can also be set to raise an alarm ony after a sequence
of triggers if desired (i.e. a pattern of triggers that would correspond
to someone gaining entry and then moving room to room.

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John.

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Nick wrote:

measure I am sure - however, after 30 seconds of "no movement", a
transmission is sent immediately on
movement detection and the alarm will trigger if active - possibly after
a pre-settable entry delay
of 10/20/30 etc seconds so it may not appear to have been triggered
instantly.

I believe the Infinite does similar sorts of things. It has the variable
entry delay. It can also be set to raise an alarm ony after a sequence of
triggers if desired (i.e. a pattern of triggers that would correspond to
someone gaining entry and then moving room to room.

--
Cheers,

John.

Well, Mr Rumm sir, I owe you a pint )

The PIRs were, indeed, upside down (what a silly design when they look more
"natural" and in fact match the PIRs on my security lighting outside - and
those of my neighbours alarm system when in the upside down position) and
the beams were looking at the ceiling.

From help given from another source (the forums at
http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/) and from (eventually)
reading and understanding the installation manual, it seems that the
Infinite is designed that way. To conserve battery life in the PIRs (and,
presumably, any other sensor compatable with the system) they only send a
signal to the control unit every 4 minutes and not every time motion is
detected.

In walk test mode (now that the PIRs are the right way up) the red LED
triggers whenever motion is detected. As long as you wait 5 seconds before
moving again, they will trigger again. In normal operating mode though, any
movement may well be detected but the signal telling the control box that
information is only sent once every 4 minutes.

So in summary, thanks John for telling me that the PIRs may have been upside
down. Everything is now working OK. Trouble is, I can't help thinking that
the whole bloody thing is now useless. If someone is watching me go out then
they have 4 minutes to get in (quite do-able in some areas, believe me).
Even worse, they could get in and get upstairs, do whatever they want for
the next 20-30 minutes and only trigger the damn thing on the way out - or
am I being paranoid? )

John.

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Nick wrote:

measure I am sure - however, after 30 seconds of "no movement", a
transmission is sent immediately on
movement detection and the alarm will trigger if active - possibly after
a pre-settable entry delay
of 10/20/30 etc seconds so it may not appear to have been triggered
instantly.

I believe the Infinite does similar sorts of things. It has the variable
entry delay. It can also be set to raise an alarm ony after a sequence of
triggers if desired (i.e. a pattern of triggers that would correspond to
someone gaining entry and then moving room to room.

--
Cheers,

John.

Well, Mr Rumm sir, I owe you a pint )

The PIRs were, indeed, upside down (what a silly design when they look
more "natural" and in fact match the PIRs on my security lighting
outside - and those of my neighbours alarm system when in the upside down
position) and the beams were looking at the ceiling.

From help given from another source (the forums at
http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/) and from (eventually)
reading and understanding the installation manual, it seems that the
Infinite is designed that way. To conserve battery life in the PIRs (and,
presumably, any other sensor compatable with the system) they only send a
signal to the control unit every 4 minutes and not every time motion is
detected.

In walk test mode (now that the PIRs are the right way up) the red LED
triggers whenever motion is detected. As long as you wait 5 seconds before
moving again, they will trigger again. In normal operating mode though,
any movement may well be detected but the signal telling the control box
that information is only sent once every 4 minutes.

So in summary, thanks John for telling me that the PIRs may have been
upside down. Everything is now working OK. Trouble is, I can't help
thinking that the whole bloody thing is now useless. If someone is
watching me go out then they have 4 minutes to get in (quite do-able in
some areas, believe me). Even worse, they could get in and get upstairs,
do whatever they want for the next 20-30 minutes and only trigger the damn
thing on the way out - or am I being paranoid? )

John.

OK, so I'm a bit thick.... well, maybe a bit more than a bit )

Finally got it sussed. When arming the system you get the 30-second exit
delay and as you finally move out of the door, the PIR doesn't report any
other movement after that for the first 4 minutes. However, as soon as you
open the door to re-enter after the initial 4-minutes, the PIR senses this
and tells the control unit to start counting down the entry delay just as
any alarm system should - happy bunny now. )

John.

John wrote:

I believe the Infinite does similar sorts of things. It has the variable
entry delay. It can also be set to raise an alarm ony after a sequence of
triggers if desired (i.e. a pattern of triggers that would correspond to
someone gaining entry and then moving room to room.

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Cheers,

John.


Well, Mr Rumm sir, I owe you a pint )

Marston's Old Empire is a current favourite! ;-)

The PIRs were, indeed, upside down (what a silly design when they look more
"natural" and in fact match the PIRs on my security lighting outside - and
those of my neighbours alarm system when in the upside down position) and
the beams were looking at the ceiling.

BTSTGTTS!

From help given from another source (the forums at
http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/) and from (eventually)
reading and understanding the installation manual, it seems that the
Infinite is designed that way. To conserve battery life in the PIRs (and,
presumably, any other sensor compatable with the system) they only send a
signal to the control unit every 4 minutes and not every time motion is
detected.

In walk test mode (now that the PIRs are the right way up) the red LED
triggers whenever motion is detected. As long as you wait 5 seconds before
moving again, they will trigger again. In normal operating mode though, any
movement may well be detected but the signal telling the control box that
information is only sent once every 4 minutes.

So in summary, thanks John for telling me that the PIRs may have been upside
down. Everything is now working OK. Trouble is, I can't help thinking that
the whole bloody thing is now useless. If someone is watching me go out then
they have 4 minutes to get in (quite do-able in some areas, believe me).
Even worse, they could get in and get upstairs, do whatever they want for
the next 20-30 minutes and only trigger the damn thing on the way out - or
am I being paranoid? )

I expect you are being a little paranoid. Although personally I would
have a reed relay sensor on the doors (which trigger immediately) and
use the PIRs as a second line of defence. That then allows use of the
"perimeter guard" facility the alarm supports. Also note that although a
PIR may only phone home periodically, each of them is not synchronised
to each other, so in reality should someone enter a house and move
through a couple of detectors they are likely to set off the alarm
fairly rapidly due to at least one being close to its transmit time. You
can also IIRC set the trigger pattern required for the PIR to make it
more or less sensitive to false alarms.

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John.

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