Hi all, just wonder if the microGENUS HE 24 as seen at
http://tinyurl.com/kjsax is generally a decent enough combi to replace my
dead Saunier Duval Thelia 623?
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Tomlinson writes
Hi all, just wonder if the microGENUS HE 24 as seen at
http://tinyurl.com/kjsax is generally a decent enough combi to replace my
dead Saunier Duval Thelia 623?

The general consensus is that you're best off going for Vaillant or
Worcester-Bosch

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"Chris Tomlinson" wrote in message
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Hi all, just wonder if the microGENUS HE 24 as seen at
http://tinyurl.com/kjsax is generally a decent enough combi to replace my
dead Saunier Duval Thelia 623?

I have had the non-condensing Microgenus for about 4 years and it has been
faultless. I bought it as it was the smallest cased combi at the time. It
was well specced and the components were standard used in many boilers. It
wasn't cheap at the time, being Vaillant price.

The new "condensing" Microgenus has a secondary heat exchanger so avoid it.
"by incorporating an additional latent heat exchanger or recuperator". Get
one with a one piece heat exchanger. Vaillants are good as are Glow Worm and
Worcester-Bosch. 24kW is a low flowrate. I would go for a higher flowrate
boiler as it is worth paying the extra.

Chris Tomlinson wrote:
Hi all, just wonder if the microGENUS HE 24 as seen at
http://tinyurl.com/kjsax is generally a decent enough combi to replace my
dead Saunier Duval Thelia 623?
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We've always found these to be very good, and Ariston's warranty
support is excellent. We've now switched to using the Ariston ACO
series, as they are more efficient and come with a 5 year warranty.

Andrew

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I have had the non-condensing Microgenus for about 4 years and it has
been faultless.

You bought for yourself a non-condensing boiler only 4 years ago? Is there
no end to your hypocrisy?

I bought it as it was the smallest cased combi at the time.

Ah - I forgot you lived in a rabbit hutch in MK

It was well specced and the components were standard used in many
boilers. It wasn't cheap at the time, being Vaillant price.

So a bit of a rip off if it uses standard components?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I have had the non-condensing Microgenus
for about 4 years and it has
been faultless.

You bought for yourself a non-condensing
boiler only 4 years ago?

What does it say above?

Is there
no end to your hypocrisy?

Only a uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association (affiliated) member would say that.

I bought it as it was the
smallest cased combi at the time.

snip absue

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I have had the non-condensing Microgenus
for about 4 years and it has
been faultless.

You bought for yourself a non-condensing
boiler only 4 years ago?

What does it say above?

Is there
no end to your hypocrisy?

Only a uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association (affiliated) member would say that.

Given your continual harping on about energy saving to others, you're the
obvious lunatic. Or, as I said, hypocrite.


Collins GEM English Dictionary
hypocrisy [hip-ok-rass-ee] n., pl. -sies. (instance of) pretence of
having standards or beliefs that are contrary to one's real character or
actual behaviour. ˜hypocrite [hip-oh-krit] n. person who pretends to be
what he or she is not. ˜hypocritical adj. ˜hypocritically adv.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I have had the non-condensing Microgenus
for about 4 years and it has
been faultless.

You bought for yourself a non-condensing
boiler only 4 years ago?

What does it say above?

Is there
no end to your hypocrisy?

Only a uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association
(affiliated) member would say that.

Given your continual harping on about energy saving

snip drivel

Unbelievable. He puts high pressure sink taps on a low pressure system then
put a pump on the get one tap to work. A pump for one tap!!!!! Now he is an
expert on boilers. ROFLMAO. Hilarious.

I have one and have installed a number. I have had a couple of faults with
the condense sensor but Ariston have been extremely quick with their
callouts ( 10 mins with one ) History shows that the parts are quite
reasonable. However I have noticed that the water temperature does not seem
to be that brilliant and have recently changed to installing the Main 30he
( baxi potterton ) and found them very very good. I have no idea as to their
parts or call out times but the differance was so noticeable with the hot
water and also how quiet the boiler was running. There must be a downside
somewhere but have not found it as yet and am into double figures with
installations

And as for Dave Plowman ( News )
If you have nothing constructive to say why don't you **** off back into
your weird little lonely world you tosspot
"Chris Tomlinson" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all, just wonder if the microGENUS HE 24 as seen at
http://tinyurl.com/kjsax is generally a decent enough combi to replace my
dead Saunier Duval Thelia 623?
--
Thanks,
Me

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...Finds anything or they buy it for you!

In article ,
IAN CAPEL wrote:
And as for Dave Plowman ( News )
If you have nothing constructive to say why don't you **** off back into
your weird little lonely world you tosspot

Good grief. Another dribble supporter. At least you'll only need a
motorbike on your annual outing.

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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Unbelievable. He puts high pressure sink taps on a low pressure system
then put a pump on the get one tap to work. A pump for one tap!!!!!

Explain how you would get round the problem?

Now he is an expert on boilers.

What have taps got to do with boilers?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Unbelievable. He puts high pressure sink taps on a low pressure system
then put a pump on the get one tap to work. A pump for one tap!!!!!

Explain how you would get round the problem?

I would have found out the right taps to use and put the proper taps on
in the first place. I don't think I would have thought of fitting a
pump on one tap in a million years.

IAN CAPEL wrote:
And as for Dave Plowman ( News )
If you have nothing constructive to say why don't you **** off back into
your weird little lonely world you tosspot

Ian, complaining to his ISP may make a difference. Give it a go.

In article .com,
wrote:
Explain how you would get round the problem?

I would have found out the right taps to use and put the proper taps on
in the first place.

Couldn't find any I liked. Most - if not all - taps of that type are high
pressure these days.

I don't think I would have thought of fitting a pump on one tap in a
million years.

But you do up houses for profit, so I'd not expect you to spend money on
something like that as the flow would have been quite acceptable to
someone used to a cheap combi. I wanted something better.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
Explain how you would get round the problem?

I would have found out the right taps
to use and put the proper taps on
in the first place.

Couldn't find any I liked.

Don't porkie tell. You put the wrong taps in, in the first place. You
didn't know the difference.

I don't think I would have thought
of fitting a pump on one tap in a
million years.

But you do up houses for profit,

He said, "I don't think I would have thought of fitting a pump on one tap in
a million years." Neither would anyone else.

I have fitted a couple of 133's purchased by customers and found them to be
very similar to the 30he but I think a little more expensive. I have been
told ( don't know if it's true ) that the callout to the Main is longer than
the Baxi 133. The Main is a bit basic in appearance but I have found that
the customer wants something simple to use that does the job. I would
happily change my Ariston for a Main or 133 but I would add that there is
very little wrong with the Ariston its only a minor query with the water
from an installer who will take note of these things.
Worcester boilers I find overpriced and prone to initial faults. 6 boilers
one year and 6 faults ( all repaired by Worcester with callout times which
varied between 1 hr and 5 days )
wrote in message
oups.com...

IAN CAPEL wrote:
I have one and have installed a number. I have had a couple of faults
with
the condense sensor but Ariston have been extremely quick with their
callouts ( 10 mins with one ) History shows that the parts are quite
reasonable. However I have noticed that the water temperature does not
seem
to be that brilliant and have recently changed to installing the Main
30he
( baxi potterton ) and found them very very good. I have no idea as to
their
parts or call out times but the differance was so noticeable with the hot
water and also how quiet the boiler was running. There must be a downside
somewhere but have not found it as yet and am into double figures with
installations

I looked at the Baxi/Pott 133 HE. It has a high flowrate and Dr Drivel
mentioned it has an integral flowswitch which means TRVs on all rads.
Simple and easy to install and well priced. I am not sure of the
guarantee. It looks good on paper. Ian, have you any experience of the
133? I have seen a Microgenus (28kW?), the bigger model, in a flat and
that was OK in flow. It has a keep warm mode to keep the heater warm to
lessen the lag at the taps. I was impressed by the small size at the
time. An Ideal model is quite small as is the W-B Junior, which I used
two of on one job joining the DHW outlets. I like to use Bosch if I can
as it means quality to the buyer and inspires confidence.

And as for Dave Plowman ( News )
If you have nothing constructive to say why don't you **** off back into
your weird little lonely world you tosspot

I concur. A weird world with pumps on single taps. Sensible, decent,
informative threads turn to **** when this tosspot joins in with
antagonistic abuse. I Google a lot for information, and 9 times out of
10 when he joins in a thread it is turned to ****. This is threads
going back 2, 3, 5, 6 , 8 years back. The same tack each time. I, and a
few others over the years have tried to get him to stop. It make not
difference, he ignored us all, he always does. He is an obsessive in
some way with a lot of time on his hands.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I would have found out the right taps
to use and put the proper taps on
in the first place.

Couldn't find any I liked.

Don't porkie tell. You put the wrong taps in, in the first place. You
didn't know the difference.

I bought the one I wanted without even thinking about it. I did assume
with 15mm tails it would be low pressure, though.

I don't think I would have thought
of fitting a pump on one tap in a
million years.

But you do up houses for profit,

He said, "I don't think I would have thought of fitting a pump on one
tap in a million years." Neither would anyone else.

You'd likely just have fitted the cheapest tap to go with the cheap combi
you've just admitted to having.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I would have found out the right taps
to use and put the proper taps on
in the first place.

Couldn't find any I liked.

Don't porkie tell. You put the
wrong taps in, in the first place. You
didn't know the difference.

I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference, which is funny enough, then he puts
a pump on one tap to make it work, which hilarious.

snip hilarious babble

ROFLMAO

"IAN CAPEL" wrote in message
...

I have one and have installed a number. I have had a couple of faults with
the condense sensor but Ariston have been extremely quick with their
callouts ( 10 mins with one ) History shows that the parts are quite
reasonable. However I have noticed that the water temperature does not
seem to be that brilliant

I have had a Microgenus (non-condensing) for 4 years. You say water
temperature is not brilliant. What do you mean? I have not found that a
problem. It is quite easy to work on if need be; well laid out. An the
heat exchanger slides out and looks like a 15 minute job to replace.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

which is funny enough, then he puts
a pump on one tap to make it work, which hilarious.

You're easily amused.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

It's too late now, you have already screwed up - as usual.

which is funny enough, then he puts
a pump on one tap to make it work,
which hilarious.

You're easily amused.

Is it normal in you sink estate to have a pump on each tap. Hilarious. LOL

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

It's too late now, you have already screwed up - as usual.

So you don't know, then?

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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

It's too late now, you have already screwed up - as usual.

Ah - forgot you didn't know the difference between flow and pressure.

******************

From: Doctor Drivel
Subject: Standard or "Superduty" hot water cylinder?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:25
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y

If you do have dire water mains pressure, this usually improves when a
new 25mm plastic mains pipe is fitted

*******************

So no point in asking you a related question.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

It's too late now, you have already screwed up - as usual.

So you don't know, then?

You clearly don't. ROFLMAO

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I bought the one I wanted without
even thinking about it.

Because you didn't know the difference,

Please explain how you tell the difference?

It's too late now, you have already screwed up - as usual.

Ah - forgot you didn't know the
difference between flow and pressure.

Hilarious!!! He don't know the difference between high and low pressure taps
and systems, and uses a pump on one tap, now he knows all about pressure.
ROFLMAO. Classic, classic!!!

Don't get me wrong the water temperature is hot. In the dead of winter (
with the correct flow ) I found it ok but not brill. On the other had I
found the Main/ Baxi to be so hot that you would turn down the thermostat.
Yes the Ariston is easy to work on as are a number of boilers and I have
fitted a number of them quite happily but to me the Main/ baxi is noticeably
better. I may find down the line that the parts may be expensive or it could
have some faults but as yet it they have been very very good


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"IAN CAPEL" wrote in message
...

I have one and have installed a number. I have had a couple of faults
with the condense sensor but Ariston have been extremely quick with their
callouts ( 10 mins with one ) History shows that the parts are quite
reasonable. However I have noticed that the water temperature does not
seem to be that brilliant

I have had a Microgenus (non-condensing) for 4 years. You say water
temperature is not brilliant. What do you mean? I have not found that a
problem. It is quite easy to work on if need be; well laid out. An the
heat exchanger slides out and looks like a 15 minute job to replace.

"IAN CAPEL" wrote in message
...

I have recently changed to installing the Main 30he ( baxi potterton ) and
found them very very good. I have no idea as to their parts or call out
times but the differance was so noticeable with the hot water and also how
quiet the boiler was running. There must be a downside somewhere but have
not found it as yet and am into double figures with installations

The Main is a rebadged Pottertron model and has a secondary heat exchanger.
Not a good sign. One piece heat exchangers with pre-mix burners are quieter
as the fan exhaust fan is deep inside and surrounded. The 30e only has the
same flowrate as the larger Microgenus. Baxi have used the Main badge as it
was one of decent quality with the multi-points. Their Potterton and Baxi
ranges stunk and they are trying an image revamp. The Suprema is about the
worst boiler to produced. See Maxie Raden about the boards. Yet the Baxi
non-condensing 105e is a very good reasonably quiet combi, and the Baxi
Barcelona condensing boiler was a dog (which is now not that bad with
problems ironed out and rebadged the Potterton Promax).

And as for Dave Plowman ( News )
If you have nothing constructive to say why don't you **** off back into
your weird little lonely world you tosspot

He has this constant desire for attention with an overinflated opinion of
his own abilities. If you met him in a pub, you probably wouldn't stand 5
minutes of him and turn away. Sad I must say.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:13:56 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip abuse and amateur drivel

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:13:56 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip

snip total witless drivel

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
snip total witless drivel

200

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:43:18 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip abuse

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
snip total witless drivel

200

Is that 200 punps on taps? ROFLMAO.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
ROFLMAO.
Just stop saying that

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
ROFLMAO.

Just stop saying that

It is what happens.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Is that 200 punps on taps?

What's a punp?

ROFLMAO.

Do you do this to pick up the dog hairs?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Is that 200 punps on taps?

What's a punp?

A gummy pump.

ROFLMAO.

Do you do this

snip inane babble

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:56:27 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

ROFLMAO.

Hmm, Drivel - Rolls On the Floor Licking a Moron's ArseOle.

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Steve Firth wrote:
Hmm, Drivel - Rolls On the Floor Licking a Moron's ArseOle.

I doubt he knows anyone that well.

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:20:27 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip abuse insulting stuff

You now owe me two.

Drivel you're a moron, a genuine knuckle dragging apology for a human
being.

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...
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:20:27 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip abuse insulting stuff

You

snip insulting abusiveness by a secret agent