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professionals' you are welcome to 'pick our brains'.

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The FAQ includes detailed information on common DIY problems in areas
such as central heating, plumbing, electrical, decorating, security,
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experienced Do-It-Yourselfers in the United Kingdom. If you want help,
or just want to find out more about a problem before calling in 'the
professionals' you are welcome to 'pick our brains'.

There is a good chance your query, or a very similar one, has already
been discussed and answered by the group, so please have a look at the
Google uk.d-i-y archive, and our companion website for Frequently Asked
Questions (the FAQ) before posting a question here.

The Google uk.d-i-y archive is available for searching at
http://tinyurl.com/65kwq and the UK.D-I-Y FAQ is at
http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

The FAQ website gives background information about a diverse range of
DIY topics, and guidance on formulating questions to post here that will
most easily get the answers you need. For example, you should explain
the background to the problem as well as asking your question.

The FAQ includes detailed information on common DIY problems in areas
such as central heating, plumbing, electrical, decorating, security,
plastering, and tools. It also has a reference section pointing to other
useful sites and companies.

You should be aware that although replies in most cases are perfectly
accurate and sensible, there are occasions when someone posts an
inappropriate answer. In this case one of the regulars is very likely to
post a correction, so it is always a good idea to check back later.

The FAQ makes clear that commercial advertising in the group is NOT
welcome. Unsolicited advertising is considered abuse, and is likely to
be reported as abuse to the advertiser's ISP. However, replies to
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or just want to find out more about a problem before calling in 'the
professionals' you are welcome to 'pick our brains'.

There is a good chance your query, or a very similar one, has already
been discussed and answered by the group, so please have a look at the
Google uk.d-i-y archive, and our companion website for Frequently Asked
Questions (the FAQ) before posting a question here.

The Google uk.d-i-y archive is available for searching at
http://tinyurl.com/65kwq and the UK.D-I-Y FAQ is at
http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

The FAQ website gives background information about a diverse range of
DIY topics, and guidance on formulating questions to post here that will
most easily get the answers you need. For example, you should explain
the background to the problem as well as asking your question.

The FAQ includes detailed information on common DIY problems in areas
such as central heating, plumbing, electrical, decorating, security,
plastering, and tools. It also has a reference section pointing to other
useful sites and companies.

You should be aware that although replies in most cases are perfectly
accurate and sensible, there are occasions when someone posts an
inappropriate answer. In this case one of the regulars is very likely to
post a correction, so it is always a good idea to check back later.

The FAQ makes clear that commercial advertising in the group is NOT
welcome. Unsolicited advertising is considered abuse, and is likely to
be reported as abuse to the advertiser's ISP. However, replies to
specific questions which mention products sold by the person replying
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or just want to find out more about a problem before calling in 'the
professionals' you are welcome to 'pick our brains'.

There is a good chance your query, or a very similar one, has already
been discussed and answered by the group, so please have a look at the
Google uk.d-i-y archive, and our companion website for Frequently
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Ta :-)

wrote:
Would anyone be able to explain and provide tips on how to use one to get
the desired effect for a first timer?


1. Buy tool.
2. Discover it has no instructions.
3. Buy DIY book on heating.
4. Read instructions.
5. Rip up old bedcover to make bending pads.
6. Lightly oil spring.
7. Discover it won't go into the pipe you cut with your nice new
pipe cutter, you have to use a hacksaw.
8. Insert in pipe.
9. Wipe up blood from cut caused by raw end of pipe using the flux
rag.
10. Discover the flux really is acidic, scream a bit.
11. Bend as instructed.
12. Dislocate kneecap.
13. Push kneecap back in place.
14. Remember to bend a little too far and bend back a touch to ease
tension on spring.
15. Insert tool to rotate spring to remove it.
16. Pull on spring.
17. Knock over cup of tea, stand in flux tin.
18. Swear several times.
19. Tell (without moving teeth apart) wife/partner/neighbour/children
you know what you are doing.
20. Smash knuckles on wall as hand slips from pulling device.
21. Bang pipe on floor several times.
22. Saw off bent bit of pipe. Use vice, angle grinder, several mole
grips and welding torch to recover pipe bender.
23. Repeat steps 6 to 22 until the pain and loss of blood gets too
much or you run out of pipe.
24. Throw away now mangled pipe spring (or use as garden gate
closer).
25. Buy a proper bending tool.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk

Vodkajelly wrote:
wrote:
Would anyone be able to explain and provide tips on how to use one to get
the desired effect for a first timer?


1. Buy tool.
2. Discover it has no instructions.
3. Buy DIY book on heating.
4. Read instructions.
5. Rip up old bedcover to make bending pads.
6. Lightly oil spring.
7. Discover it won't go into the pipe you cut with your nice new
pipe cutter, you have to use a hacksaw.
8. Insert in pipe.
9. Wipe up blood from cut caused by raw end of pipe using the flux
rag.
10. Discover the flux really is acidic, scream a bit.
11. Bend as instructed.
12. Dislocate kneecap.
13. Push kneecap back in place.
14. Remember to bend a little too far and bend back a touch to ease
tension on spring.
15. Insert tool to rotate spring to remove it.
16. Pull on spring.
17. Knock over cup of tea, stand in flux tin.
18. Swear several times.
19. Tell (without moving teeth apart) wife/partner/neighbour/children
you know what you are doing.
20. Smash knuckles on wall as hand slips from pulling device.
21. Bang pipe on floor several times.
22. Saw off bent bit of pipe. Use vice, angle grinder, several mole
grips and welding torch to recover pipe bender.
23. Repeat steps 6 to 22 until the pain and loss of blood gets too
much or you run out of pipe.
24. Throw away now mangled pipe spring (or use as garden gate
closer).
25. Buy a proper bending tool.

email me and i will forward some bumf on how to calculate bends, imho
tho most plumbers guess at the angle/ length, make the length longer and
cut off excess. it's all in the experience. what are you doing? can you
not use conventional endfeed/yorkshire fittings to achieve same result?