I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

What am I doing wrong? Is a slight residual burr to be expected when using
this tool? Should I try a different tool? I can file off burrs well enough
but it is time consuming.

If it makes any difference the pipe is standard 22mm copper and I am cutting
it with a Monument auto wheel cutter like this one
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=12380

Thanks

Pete

I must confess I don't have any issues with my ancient 20 year old pipe
cutter. It doesn't leave burrs.
I only have issues when pipe is cut with a hacksaw.

Maybe time for a different cutter?

"PM" wrote in message
...
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper
that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

What am I doing wrong? Is a slight residual burr to be expected when using
this tool? Should I try a different tool? I can file off burrs well enough
but it is time consuming.

If it makes any difference the pipe is standard 22mm copper and I am
cutting
it with a Monument auto wheel cutter like this one
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=12380

Thanks

Pete

In article ,
SuitSat wrote:
I must confess I don't have any issues with my ancient 20 year old pipe
cutter. It doesn't leave burrs. I only have issues when pipe is cut with
a hacksaw.

Wheeled cutters leave a rolled over lip, though. That's what the 'V' on
the end of most is used for - to remove it.

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:57:29 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
SuitSat wrote:
I must confess I don't have any issues with my ancient 20 year old pipe
cutter. It doesn't leave burrs. I only have issues when pipe is cut with
a hacksaw.

Wheeled cutters leave a rolled over lip, though. That's what the 'V' on
the end of most is used for - to remove it.

I'm not sure that it's a problem. So long as any swarf is removed it
should be OK.

What you want to eliminate are any bits that could potentially break
off and circulate in the system, rather than making the end of the
pipe perfectly smooth.

sponix

"Sponix" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:57:29 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
SuitSat wrote:
I must confess I don't have any issues with my ancient 20 year old pipe
cutter. It doesn't leave burrs. I only have issues when pipe is cut with
a hacksaw.

Wheeled cutters leave a rolled over lip, though. That's what the 'V' on
the end of most is used for - to remove it.

I'm not sure that it's a problem. So long as any swarf is removed it
should be OK.

What you want to eliminate are any bits that could potentially break
off and circulate in the system, rather than making the end of the
pipe perfectly smooth.

sponix

===================
When I bought my first DIY book on central heating it was stated very
clearly that the internal ridge caused by the pipe cutter should be removed
by the 'V' on the end of the cutter. The reason given was that this ridge
would cause an obstruction to the water flow. After a few laborious attempts
to remove the ridges I decided that they weren't going to cause much of an
obstruction anyway. I stopped trying to remove the ridges and I've never
removed since those first few attempts which usually left a sharp edge on
the pipe.

I doubt very much if there is any real danger of obstructing water flow in
the average DIY domestic installation but the purists (and responsible
professionals) might argue that the ridges should be removed in larger
installations where any possible obstruction should be avoided.

Cic.

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"Sponix" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:57:29 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
SuitSat wrote:
I must confess I don't have any issues with my ancient 20 year old pipe
cutter. It doesn't leave burrs. I only have issues when pipe is cut
with
a hacksaw.

Wheeled cutters leave a rolled over lip, though. That's what the 'V' on
the end of most is used for - to remove it.

I'm not sure that it's a problem. So long as any swarf is removed it
should be OK.

What you want to eliminate are any bits that could potentially break
off and circulate in the system, rather than making the end of the
pipe perfectly smooth.

sponix

===================
When I bought my first DIY book on central heating it was stated very
clearly that the internal ridge caused by the pipe cutter should be
removed by the 'V' on the end of the cutter. The reason given was that
this ridge would cause an obstruction to the water flow. After a few
laborious attempts to remove the ridges I decided that they weren't going
to cause much of an obstruction anyway. I stopped trying to remove the
ridges and I've never removed since those first few attempts which usually
left a sharp edge on the pipe.

I doubt very much if there is any real danger of obstructing water flow in
the average DIY domestic installation but the purists (and responsible
professionals) might argue that the ridges should be removed in larger
installations where any possible obstruction should be avoided.

Collectively they do restrict flow and are a ridge to collect sludge and
crud. Use a cone cutter and battery drill/driver to remove the lot in
seconds.

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:32:09 -0000, "PM"
wrote:

I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

What am I doing wrong? Is a slight residual burr to be expected when using
this tool? Should I try a different tool? I can file off burrs well enough
but it is time consuming.

If it makes any difference the pipe is standard 22mm copper and I am cutting
it with a Monument auto wheel cutter like this one
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=12380

Thanks

Pete


Do you mean when the end of the pipe gets turned in slightly when you
use a pipe cutter..??

Could you utilise a round file instead ..

Stuart

"Stuart" wrote in message
...


Do you mean when the end of the pipe gets turned in slightly when you
use a pipe cutter..??

Yes


Could you utilise a round file instead ..


Could do, but it is more time consuming and I have got a lot to do.

PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

MBQ

wrote:
PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

MBQ

Don't worry - someone will be along shortly to tell you that your house
is a ticking time bomb and that you'll have leaks everywhere within weeks

Richard Conway wrote:
wrote:
PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

MBQ

Don't worry - someone will be along shortly to tell you that your house
is a ticking time bomb and that you'll have leaks everywhere within weeks

Probably Drivel with his hacksaw ;-)

MBQ

wrote in message
oups.com...

Richard Conway wrote:
wrote:
PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not
getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is
still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much
copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and
is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe
as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

MBQ

Don't worry - someone will be along shortly to tell you that your house
is a ticking time bomb and that you'll have leaks everywhere within weeks


Probably Drivel with his hacksaw ;-)

MBQ


i think the point of deburring is also to remove loose material which would
overwise go along the pipe until it collects in an appliance
personally i just use a dremel to deburr it

Mindwipe wrote:

i think the point of deburring is also to remove loose material which would
overwise go along the pipe until it collects in an appliance
personally i just use a dremel to deburr it

I have an old penknife.
A quick spin around the inside of the pipe applying pressure with the
thumb shaves the burr clean off.

I found that funny "blade" thing on some wheel cutters can actually
flare the end of the pipe out enough to make the fitting to tight.

I must also admit I don't think I have ever seen a "professional" bother
with removing the internal burr.


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i think the point of deburring is also to remove loose material which
would overwise go along the pipe until it collects in an appliance
personally i just use a dremel to deburr it

I use battery drill/driver with a cone cutter on it. Just apply it to the
end and all comes off zippo. No crimped over copper pipe ends or burr
around.

Go to Screwfix and type "cone" in the search window and then go to
sepcialist drills, a wole raft of them come up.

wrote in message
ups.com...

PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still
a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper
that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

It closes over the end of the pipe restricting flow and leaving an edge for
crud to gather.

In message ews.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

wrote in message
oups.com...

PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is
still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much
copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

It closes over the end of the pipe restricting flow

By bugger all %

and leaving an edge for crud to gather.

Doesn't your magic water conditioner resolve this ?

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

wrote in message
roups.com...

PM wrote:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is
still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper
that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and
is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe
as
well as the burr.

I've never de-burred pipe after using a wheel cutter. No leaks yet...

It closes over the end of the pipe restricting flow

By bugger all %

Maxie, depends on the cutter and sharpenes of gthe blade wheel. They also
collect crid. That is why they sell deburring tools.

and leaving an edge for crud to gather.

Doesn't your magic water conditioner resolve this ?

Maxie, how much of the Sherry have you been at? I bet you are hanging off
the chair.

In article ,
"PM" writes:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522

One nice thing about it is the burr comes off in one piece
(with a bit of practice), which you can capture and prevent
from ending up inside the pipework. I used it for the whole
heating system, water and gas pipes, and the original blade
still works fine (although I had to replace the wheeled
cutter blade near the end of the job).

When practising, be careful so that if the tool slips out of
the end of the pipe, you don't end up jabbing it in your eye.
That looked worrying easy to do by accident.

--
Andrew Gabriel

On 05 Mar 2006 14:23:40 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"PM" writes:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522

One nice thing about it is the burr comes off in one piece
(with a bit of practice), which you can capture and prevent
from ending up inside the pipework. I used it for the whole
heating system, water and gas pipes, and the original blade
still works fine (although I had to replace the wheeled
cutter blade near the end of the job).

When practising, be careful so that if the tool slips out of
the end of the pipe, you don't end up jabbing it in your eye.
That looked worrying easy to do by accident.


How is it used? Like a vegetable peeler?


--

..andy

In article ,
Andy Hall writes:

How is it used? Like a vegetable peeler?

You insert the tip in the pipe, and run it round the inside
edge a couple of times with a reasonable force against the
edge. The burr comes off as a single piece of swarf (after
a few practice runs).

--
Andrew Gabriel

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Andy Hall writes:

How is it used? Like a vegetable peeler?

You insert the tip in the pipe, and run it round the inside
edge a couple of times with a reasonable force against the
edge. The burr comes off as a single piece of swarf (after
a few practice runs).

Bought the Screwfix equivalent, it is much better than the original tool I
had, very easy to use and does what I want. Thanks for the pointer Andy.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"PM" writes:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still
a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper
that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe as
well as the burr.

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522

One nice thing about it is the burr comes off in one piece
(with a bit of practice), which you can capture and prevent
from ending up inside the pipework. I used it for the whole
heating system, water and gas pipes, and the original blade
still works fine (although I had to replace the wheeled
cutter blade near the end of the job).

When practising, be careful so that if the tool slips out of
the end of the pipe, you don't end up jabbing it in your eye.
That looked worrying easy to do by accident.

--
Andrew Gabriel

=======================
Much cheaper he https://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040213421

Cic.

"Cicero" wrote in message
news

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"PM" writes:
I bought a deburring tool
(http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=13315) and although
there's
only one way it can work - shove it in the pipe, turn - I'm not getting
satisfactory results. The tool does shave off copper, but there is still
a
burr. If I continue until there is no burr, I've removed so much copper
that
the wall at the cut end of the pipe now tapers from the inside out and
is
very thin. In other words the tool removes the 'good' wall of the pipe
as
well as the burr.

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522

One nice thing about it is the burr comes off in one piece
(with a bit of practice), which you can capture and prevent
from ending up inside the pipework. I used it for the whole
heating system, water and gas pipes, and the original blade
still works fine (although I had to replace the wheeled
cutter blade near the end of the job).

When practising, be careful so that if the tool slips out of
the end of the pipe, you don't end up jabbing it in your eye.
That looked worrying easy to do by accident.

--
Andrew Gabriel

=======================
Much cheaper he https://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040213421

Just use a cone cutter on a drill/driver. It takes seconds and a perfect
edge to the end of the pipe.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Just use a cone cutter on a drill/driver. It takes seconds and a
perfect edge to the end of the pipe.

Don't you own a conventional pipe cutter with the 'V' on the end to remove
burrs? So have a very expensive solution to a non existing problem?

Remind us again why you wouldn't pay out the few quid for a plastic pipe
cutter and used a hacksaw...

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Just use a cone cutter on a drill/driver.
It takes seconds and a
perfect edge to the end of the pipe.

Don't you own a conventional pipe
cutter with the 'V' on the end to remove
burrs?

Yep.

So have a very expensive solution
to a non existing problem?

You obviously don't know. Wheel cutters crimp over the end of the pipe. A
cone cutter gets rid of the burr and bent over crimp in seconds with no
effort. The cutter can also be used for other things too. Isn't that
amazing?

Remind us again why you wouldn't
pay out the few quid for a plastic pipe
cutter

I have a very expensive plastic pipe cutter.

and used a hacksaw...

I use a hacksaw for many things. Boy is this one senile.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522


Just ordered the Screwfix equivalent, I'll give it a try.


One nice thing about it is the burr comes off in one piece
(with a bit of practice), which you can capture and prevent
from ending up inside the pipework. I used it for the whole
heating system, water and gas pipes, and the original blade
still works fine (although I had to replace the wheeled
cutter blade near the end of the job).

When practising, be careful so that if the tool slips out of
the end of the pipe, you don't end up jabbing it in your eye.
That looked worrying easy to do by accident.

I was once fitting a brake shoe spring with a pair of needle nose pliers
when they slipped, they went straight up into my face, luckily I wear
glasses because it hit my glasses hard enough to knock them across the drive
and bruised my face. The gouge on my glasses lens was dead centre, I reckon
I would have lost an eye had I been wearing contacts...

"PM" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522


Just ordered the Screwfix equivalent, I'll give it a try.

Send it back and order the cone cutter.

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:33:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"PM" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522


Just ordered the Screwfix equivalent, I'll give it a try.

Send it back and order the cone cutter.


You're like a broken record. Which cone cutter do you have in mind?
A tapered one, presumably.....

It seems like a reasonable approach, but I would expect that the
copper comes away as fairly small particles, in which case it's also
important to make sure that these are removed rather than being left
in the pipe.



--

..andy

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:33:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"PM" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522


Just ordered the Screwfix equivalent, I'll give it a try.

Send it back and order the cone cutter.


You're like a broken record.

** snip Matt making things up **

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"PM" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...

When I installed my central heating, I treated myself to a good
quality wheeled pipe cutter. Slotted into the body of it was a
separate deburrer of a type I'd never seen before, and without
any instructions, it took me a few moments to work out how to
use it, but it's brilliant once you have. I can't see the same
make anywhere on the web, but this one is the same principle:

http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/234-1522


Just ordered the Screwfix equivalent, I'll give it a try.

Send it back and order the cone cutter.


I'll let you know how I get on with the hand tool, if I have a problem with
it I will try the cone cutter.