Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

THOMAS PATTON wrote:
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

If you're just doing a lot of screwing (ooh err) then I'd go for
something lighter like a 12 or 14.4v model.

THOMAS PATTON wrote:
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom



I've used a DC988 (also 18v) and yes, as daddyfreddy suggests they are a
little heavy to use, however, they are fantastically powerful. At the
end of the day, the 18v should be a little more useful than a 12v or
14v, but its horses for courses. Personally, once I'd used it for a
short while the extra weight slipped my mind.

I think for your use the main thing to look out for is the good rapid
charger and at least 2 good batteries.

"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

You need an Impact driver. Look at Screwfix and the Ryobi ONE+ setup. An
impact driver will cost you £70 and two Panasonic batteries and charger £60,
less if you go for just one battery. So, £130 for an impact driver with
good write ups and two quality batteries, is very good. The DeWalts are
about £250. You can buy only the power tools of circular saws, jigsaws,
drill/drivers, etc without the batteries, and the same 18v battery fits them
all.

The Ryobi is the best value for money in Impact Drivers. And you can also
use them as a drill. But all Impact Drivers are "loud".

Do a Google on this group and in Nov', Mark and my posts. The uk.d-i-y
Lunatic Association ruined the thread not knowing what an Impact Driver was.
Do a Goggle on Ryobi and Impact Driver on the web and lots of reports come
up.

http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/main/wb291-bonusreviews01.html

"Virtues: Speed, power, battery life, and overall performance that rivaled
some of the heavy hitters of this tool test, all at a much lower price."

Verdict: The Ryobi is a quality tool at a very reasonable price. For the
budget-minded tool buyer, this impact driver would be an excellent choice.

"Ryobi's new 18-volt impact driver is available as part of their new One+
System through Home Depot. The tool itself is a bargain at just $70, though
two batteries and a charger will run you another $60. All in all, that's
still a good price at just $130 for a tool that performed superbly
throughout our testing.

In the speed, power, and battery life tests, the Ryobi stayed head to head
with the more expensive models in the test (such as the Bosch, Makita, and
DeWalt). The Ryobi also features a handy L.E.D. light for drilling and
driving in dark locations.
Throughout the testing, we were quite impressed with theRyobi. In fact, if
its 18-volt status hadn't disqualified it from taking part in our
head-to-head 14.4-volt tool test, it would have given Craftsman a run for
its money as the "Top Value" in the test."

"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Forget Dewalt if you want something with endurance they aint that good, they
just look pretty. Have a look at the Metabo BSZ 18 Cordless Drill/Driver it
will out last most others and has electronic torque control, which increases
the power at low speeds. Ideal for longer screws such as 4".

"Kaiser" wrote in message
...

"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Forget Dewalt if you want something with endurance they aint that good,
they just look pretty. Have a look at the Metabo BSZ 18 Cordless
Drill/Driver it will out last most others and has electronic torque
control, which increases the power at low speeds. Ideal for longer screws
such as 4".

I would forget that and get an Impact Driver. The right tool for the right
job.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

You need an Impact driver. Look at Screwfix and the Ryobi ONE+ setup.
An impact driver will cost you £70 and two Panasonic batteries and
charger £60, less if you go for just one battery. So, £130 for an
impact driver with good write ups and two quality batteries, is very
good. The DeWalts are about £250. You can buy only the power tools of
circular saws, jigsaws, drill/drivers, etc without the batteries, and
the same 18v battery fits them all.


You truly are clueless. An impact driver is not in any way the right
tool for this job.


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Grunff

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in
about 7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Forget Dewalt if you want something with endurance they aint that good,
they just look pretty. Have a look at the Metabo BSZ 18 Cordless
Drill/Driver it will out last most others and has electronic torque
control, which increases the power at low speeds. Ideal for longer
screws such as 4".

I would forget that and get an Impact Driver. The right tool for the right
job.


Impact drivers are more suited to using sockets for loosening or tightening
nuts and bolts and hex headed coach screws, not for slotted or cross head
wood screws and dry wall screws.

If you really want to recommend something useful you could of suggested a
dedicated dry wall screwdriver.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:27:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
o.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

You need an Impact driver.

Don't be stupid. An impact driver is intended for driving lag screws
and doing decking work. It is not suitable for this application at
all. The control simply isn't there to do a proper job with smaller
screws.

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and consistent
results.


The Ryobi is the best value for money in Impact Drivers. And you can also
use them as a drill. But all Impact Drivers are "loud".

It's the best value of the ones that Workbench magazine reviewed in a
separate 18v category.



http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/main/wb291-bonusreviews01.html


I subscribe to Workbench magazine and read the original review of
several 14.4v impact drivers.

The comparison that you describe was between an 18v Techtronics
Industries Ryobi product and everybody else's 14.4v product.

It therefore has very little meaning.


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"Kaiser" wrote in message
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Kaiser" wrote in message
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"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in
about 7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Forget Dewalt if you want something with endurance they aint that good,
they just look pretty. Have a look at the Metabo BSZ 18 Cordless
Drill/Driver it will out last most others and has electronic torque
control, which increases the power at low speeds. Ideal for longer
screws such as 4".

I would forget that and get an Impact Driver. The right tool for the
right job.

Impact drivers are more suited to using sockets for loosening or
tightening nuts and bolts and hex headed coach screws, not for slotted or
cross head wood screws and dry wall screws.

Totally wrong. There are Impact drivers and Impact Wrenches. You are on
about wrenches.

An 18v Impact Driver is small, powerfull and drives in very large screws,
and amall ones too. It can also drill too.

See my current post on the Ryobi Impact Driver and do a google on this
group, See:
http://tinyurl.com/9htyt
http://tinyurl.com/aftdo

If you really want to recommend something useful you could of suggested a
dedicated dry wall screwdriver.

No. A useful tool is an impact driver. They were horrendously expensive,
that is why no one knows much about them. The uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association
had never heard of them but managed a thread 100s of posts long on
absolutely nothing in November. But Ryobi have dropped the price to
affordable levels.

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

You need an Impact driver. Look at Screwfix and the Ryobi ONE+ setup.
An impact driver will cost you £70 and two Panasonic batteries and
charger £60, less if you go for just one battery. So, £130 for an impact
driver with good write ups and two quality batteries, is very good. The
DeWalts are about £250. You can buy only the power tools of circular
saws, jigsaws, drill/drivers, etc without the batteries, and the same 18v
battery fits them all.

A prominent member of uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association says...

You truly are clueless. An impact driver is not in any way the right tool
for this job.

You clearly do not know what an Impact Driver is and what it is good for.
And you have no shame in this.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
news
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:27:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"THOMAS PATTON" wrote in message
. co.uk...
Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in
about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

You need an Impact driver.

Matt, a prominent member of uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association says...

Don't be stupid. An impact driver is intended for driving lag screws
and doing decking work. It is not suitable for this application at
all. The control simply isn't there to do a proper job with smaller
screws.

Yes. He did say that, so the self proclaimed expert on power tools, who
until November when his Lunatic Association, as usual, made prats of
themselves.

See:
http://tinyurl.com/cehyf

Note the soft screws. The vaiable speed makes this possible.

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and
consistent results.

You are maing that up, as you have never used a drywall drill.

The Ryobi is the best value for money
in Impact Drivers. And you can also
use them as a drill. But all Impact Drivers
are "loud".

It's the best value of the ones that
Workbench magazine reviewed in a
separate 18v category.

...and others too.

http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/main/wb291-bonusreviews01.html

I subscribe to Workbench magazine and read the original review of
several 14.4v impact drivers.

The comparison that you describe was between an 18v Techtronics
Industries Ryobi product and everybody else's 14.4v product.

It therefore has very little meaning.

It has great meaning Matt. And you still don't know anything about Impact
Drivers.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:54:45 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and
consistent results.

You are maing that up, as you have never used a drywall drill.


I did not say "drywall drill".

I own a Senco collated screwdriver.

This is exactly the correct tool to use if driving a large number of
drywall screws

http://www.senco.com/con_rem/ViewTool.aspx?toolid=173


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..andy

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:54:45 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and
consistent results.

You are maing that up, as you have never used a drywall drill.

I did not say "drywall drill".

I own a Senco collated screwdriver.

This is exactly the correct tool to use if driving a large number of
drywall screws

Matt the OP said: "7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch". That calls
for an Impact driver. For £130 he will get a Ryobi ONE+: two 45 min charge
Panasonic batteries, a charger and an Impact Driver. For an extra £60 (£190)
an angle drill/driver and an extra £40 gets him a drill/driver, that is £170
in total. So, an Impact Driver plus angle drill for £190 or Impact Driver
plus drill/driver for £170. Prices from Screwfix, so may be cheaper
elsewhere. Takes some beating and about the the same price, or cheaper than
the DeWalt (B&D underneath) he was looking at.

THOMAS PATTON wrote:

I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job

Yup I should think so. Must have done many thousand screws on my loft
conversion with my 18V Makita combi, plus loads of other jobs like
running holesaws and even mixing plaster. Took it all in its stride.



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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:39:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:54:45 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and
consistent results.

You are maing that up, as you have never used a drywall drill.

I did not say "drywall drill".

I own a Senco collated screwdriver.

This is exactly the correct tool to use if driving a large number of
drywall screws

Matt the OP said: "7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch". That calls
for an Impact driver.


It is more likely for a project of this nature that there would be a
significantly larger volume of drywall screws than there would be 4"
screws.

Typically, one does not use 4" screws for attaching drywall.


An impact driver is completely unsuitable for drywall screws because
there is not the level of control required to avoid either leaving the
screw proud of the surface or pushing it right through the board.

Impact drivers have no clutch in the way that a conventional
drill/driver does and the only controls are the amount and time of
trigger depression. This means that the operator must gauge both
accurately for every screw. This is going to become very tedious.

A screw gun gives the easiest and fastest way of putting in a lot of
drywall screws. I know, by the way, because I have done it.

Failing that, the 18v drill driver is the correct choice for the
purpose requested.



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..andy

"Andy Hall" akak Matt wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:39:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:54:45 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message

If the vast majority of the screws are drywall, then it might be worth
considering a screw gun. Otherwise, a good quality 18v drill driver
would be a sensible investment and would produce clean and
consistent results.

You are maing that up, as you have never used a drywall drill.

I did not say "drywall drill".

I own a Senco collated screwdriver.

This is exactly the correct tool to use if driving a large number of
drywall screws

Matt the OP said: "7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch". That
calls
for an Impact driver.


It is more likely for a project of this nature that there would be a
significantly larger volume of drywall screws than there would be 4"
screws.

Typically, one does not use 4" screws for attaching drywall.

You are guessing as usual.

An impact driver is completely unsuitable for drywall screws because
there is not the level of control required to avoid either leaving the
screw proud of the surface or pushing it right through the board.

An Impact Driver and drill/driver can be had for the price of one of those
overpriced and overrated DeWalts.

Impact drivers have no clutch in the way that a conventional
drill/driver does and the only controls are the amount and time of
trigger depression. This means that the operator must gauge both
accurately for every screw. This is going to become very tedious.

You get used to it very quickly. The professionals use them.

A screw gun gives the easiest and fastest way of putting in a lot of
drywall screws. I know, by the way, because I have done it.

Not worth it unless you are doing it all day and every day.

Failing that, the 18v drill driver is the correct choice for the
purpose requested.

Matt, you clearly haven't a clue what and how an Impact driver does things.
Those who have them swear by them, and occasionally many use a small 12v
drill/driver for the odd small screws. They also use the Impact Drivers for
drilling too, which zips through wood. Battery Impact Drivers give the same
performance as a mains powered tool, which no drill/driver can. Impact
Drivers are also very small, which those large 189v DeWalts are clearly not.
The 18v and 24v battery drills are "heavy" and cumbersome.

It is best you go out and buy an Impact Driver and play with it. Another
manual under the pillow.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Battery
Impact Drivers give the same performance as a mains powered tool, which
no drill/driver can.

I suggest you go read your catalogues a little more carefully.

The 18V DeWalt the OP refered to has a power *output* of 420W - this
will be significantly better than many mains drills.

If you wanted to stick in a few hundred heavy coach screws, or fix self
tappers into undrilled metal sheet or studding then the impact driver
would be a good choice. As a good general purpose tool however you are
better off with a really good combi drill.



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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Battery Impact Drivers give the same performance as a mains powered tool,
which no drill/driver can.

I suggest

Chav, I suggest you find out by talking to people who us them.

If you wanted to stick in a few hundred heavy coach screws, or fix self
tappers into undrilled metal sheet or studding then the impact driver
would be a good choice. As a good general purpose tool however you are
better off with a really good combi drill.

Nope. They are too big an heavy. As I said Chav, A Ryobi ONE+ of two batts,
one charger, one Impact Driver and one drill/driver will knock you back
£170, less than that inadequate DeWalt.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:12:09 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message

It is more likely for a project of this nature that there would be a
significantly larger volume of drywall screws than there would be 4"
screws.

Typically, one does not use 4" screws for attaching drywall.

You are guessing as usual.

Are you just being stupid or do you really believe that 4" screws are
used to fit drywall?



An impact driver is completely unsuitable for drywall screws because
there is not the level of control required to avoid either leaving the
screw proud of the surface or pushing it right through the board.

An Impact Driver and drill/driver can be had for the price of one of those
overpriced and overrated DeWalts.

It doesn't matter what you can get it for if it's not suitable for the
job




Impact drivers have no clutch in the way that a conventional
drill/driver does and the only controls are the amount and time of
trigger depression. This means that the operator must gauge both
accurately for every screw. This is going to become very tedious.

You get used to it very quickly. The professionals use them.

Not for fixing drywall, they don't.


A screw gun gives the easiest and fastest way of putting in a lot of
drywall screws. I know, by the way, because I have done it.

Not worth it unless you are doing it all day and every day.

For 7000 screws it could be. I was able to pick up a Senco screw
gun quite inexpensively while in the U.S. some while ago. Given the
exchange rate at the time, it was a very good deal indeed.

I've used it both for drywalling and loft flooring and it periodically
gets used for other jobs. It's certainly earnt its keep.

However, I would not recommend to the OP that he buys one specifically
for this job at UK prices.

The 18v DeWalt or a Makita 18v drill driver is the sensible purchase
for the job.



Failing that, the 18v drill driver is the correct choice for the
purpose requested.

Matt, you clearly haven't a clue what and how an Impact driver does things.

I know precisely how an impact driver does things.

I tried out several different products a few months ago because I was
considering buying one.

Although they are not that expensive, their application is quite
limited through lack of control.

If I were installing wooden decks for a living I might consider using
one for the lag bolts. I have seen contractors using them for the
purpose. However, they don't use them for attaching the boards -
another job involving a lot of screws. They use a screw gun with a
flooring extension so that they don't have to kneel all day.





Those who have them swear by them, and occasionally many use a small 12v
drill/driver for the odd small screws.


"The odd small screws", possibly - not thousands of them.

They also use the Impact Drivers for
drilling too, which zips through wood. Battery Impact Drivers give the same
performance as a mains powered tool, which no drill/driver can. Impact
Drivers are also very small, which those large 189v DeWalts are clearly not.
The 18v and 24v battery drills are "heavy" and cumbersome.

The Techtronics Ryobi product that you mention earlier weighs 1.6kg.
The DeWalt 18v drill driver weighs 2kg

Hardly a major difference.



It is best you go out and buy an Impact Driver and play with it. Another
manual under the pillow.


Already investigated and considered. Not worth having unless one
regularly needs to drive large screws of different kinds without being
too concerned about accuracy.


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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:37:52 GMT, "THOMAS PATTON"
wrote:

Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom


Yes

I put almost 1000 7 inch coach screws in my roof, plus several
thousand 50mm screws on the battons.

I have 2 batteries, I never had both flat, it recharged faster than I
could run it down.

Brilliant Tool

Rick

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:12:09 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message

It is more likely for a project of this nature that there would be a
significantly larger volume of drywall screws than there would be 4"
screws.

Typically, one does not use 4" screws for attaching drywall.

You are guessing as usual.

Are you just being stupid or do you really believe that 4" screws are
used to fit drywall?

Matt, you must read.

An impact driver is completely unsuitable for drywall screws because
there is not the level of control required to avoid either leaving the
screw proud of the surface or pushing it right through the board.

An Impact Driver and drill/driver can be had for the price of one of those
overpriced and overrated DeWalts.

It doesn't matter what you can get it for if it's not suitable for the
job

Matt, you don't know anything about them at all, so your opinion is useless.

Impact drivers have no clutch in the way that a conventional
drill/driver does and the only controls are the amount and time of
trigger depression. This means that the operator must gauge both
accurately for every screw. This is going to become very tedious.

You get used to it very quickly. The professionals use them.

Not for fixing drywall, they don't.

Did I say use them on drywall? I'm sure they can easily drive drywall
screws though.

A screw gun gives the easiest and fastest way of putting in a lot of
drywall screws. I know, by the way, because I have done it.

Not worth it unless you are doing it all day and every day.

For 7000 screws it could be.

They are NOT 7000 drywalls screws. It ism like talking to child here.

The 18v DeWalt or a Makita 18v drill driver is the sensible purchase
for the job.

Absolute nonsense. The Ryobi Impact Driver and drill/driver

Matt, you clearly haven't a clue what
and how an Impact driver does things.

I know precisely how an impact
driver does things.

You clearly don't.

I tried out several different products
a few months ago because I was
considering buying one.

Matt, now stop porkie telling.

Although they are not that expensive, their application is quite
limited through lack of control.

You are porkie telling.

If I were installing wooden decks for a living I might consider using
one for the lag bolts. I have seen contractors using them for the
purpose. However, they don't use them for attaching the boards -
another job involving a lot of screws. They use a screw gun with a
flooring extension so that they don't have to kneel all day.

Those who have them swear by them,
and occasionally many use a small 12v
drill/driver for the odd small screws.

"The odd small screws", possibly - not thousands of them.

They also use the Impact Drivers for
drilling too, which zips through wood. Battery Impact Drivers give the
same
performance as a mains powered tool, which no drill/driver can. Impact
Drivers are also very small, which those large 189v DeWalts are clearly
not.
The 18v and 24v battery drills are "heavy" and cumbersome.

The Techtronics Ryobi product that you mention earlier weighs 1.6kg.
The DeWalt 18v drill driver weighs 2kg

Nearly half a kg does make a differnece. IMpact Drivers are also very small
with excelent balance, which at times is what matters rather than weight.

It is best you go out and buy an
Impact Driver and play with it. Another
manual under the pillow.

Already investigated and considered.

Matt? Now stop the porkies.

not worth having unless one
regularly needs to drive large
screws of different kinds without being
too concerned about accuracy.

That confirms you know sweet FA about them. The Panasonic is switchable from
Impact to drill driver. And here is what some one on this forum said about
the Panasonic, and they are available a lot cheaper from the likes of Ryobi:


aleks lakovic
Jan 17 2003, 7:52 am show options

for the last 9 months I've been using a Panasonic cordless impact driver to
sink screws. its great no slippage no chewed up screw heads and you can sink
the screw head just as far as you want. definitely recommended if you use a
lot of screws.
p.s. Panasonic make great tools 3 amp hour batteries last for ages and they
are small and fairly light.
aleks
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aleks lakovic
Jan 17 2003, 8:29 pm

no they are still pretty much the same. the panasonic has a 1/2" squre drive
on it and will undo the wheelnuts on my van no probs.
it also has a 1/4" snappy chuck to take regular hex bits. the great thing is
that instead of trying to snap screws it gently coaxes them in. even soft
brass ones. oh i think its called a multidriver. 15.6volts about £250.
worth every penny

aleks

"Rick" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:37:52 GMT, "THOMAS PATTON"
wrote:

Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Yes

I put almost 1000 7 inch coach screws in my roof, plus several
thousand 50mm screws on the battons.

You have the wrong tool. An Impact Driver is what you need for that.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:54:51 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Rick" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:37:52 GMT, "THOMAS PATTON"
wrote:

Hi all
I am fitting out my extension we built last summer I need to put in about
7000 screws ranging from drywall to 4 inch.
Is the Dewalt 18 volt drill/driver up to the job- I see one on Ebay.My
present B&D 18volt is on its last legs after a summer of heavy use.
Tom

Yes

I put almost 1000 7 inch coach screws in my roof, plus several
thousand 50mm screws on the battons.

You have the wrong tool. An Impact Driver is what you need for that.

A Screw Driver
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...35329&ts=61255

A Screw Twister
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...59070&ts=61286

I wanted to twist not drive them.

Rick