Bill Stock wrote:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws. After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the
screw heads start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into
spruce with a small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to
finish off quite a few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and
my 14.4 drill is a little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW,
be careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little
fire going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on
it and swell up my Particle Board.
The Bosch bits sold at the blue borg seem to hold up pretty well for me.

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most screws.
After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the screw heads
start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into spruce with a
small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to finish off quite a
few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and my 14.4 drill is a
little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws and
all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW, be
careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little fire
going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on it and
swell up my Particle Board.

"Bill Stock" writes:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits.
snip

I try not to be a tool snob, but IMHO, Vermont American products are
somewhere below whale crap and that is at the bottom of the ocean.

YMMV

Lew

Get you some McFeeley bits. I have never worn one of those out. Are you
sure you should not be using a #3?

"Bill Stock" wrote in
et.cable.rogers.com:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson #2.

Quite a few of us, myself included, have had excellent results with the
products McFeeley's sells. www.mcfeeleys.com

And, to play a familiar tune, have you asked your local, professional
hardware store proprietor for the best he can recommend? Doesn't always
work, but in my case, it usually does. I can't imagine that his 'trade
customers' put up with crap for very long.

Patriarch

"Eugene" wrote in message
...
Bill Stock wrote:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem
better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws. After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the
screw heads start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into
spruce with a small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to
finish off quite a few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better
and
my 14.4 drill is a little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is
a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough.
BTW,
be careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice
little
fire going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on
it and swell up my Particle Board.
The Bosch bits sold at the blue borg seem to hold up pretty well for me.

Thanks. Don't have the Blue BORGs up here. Do have a Cadmium Yellow one
though.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bill Stock" writes:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits.
snip

I try not to be a tool snob, but IMHO, Vermont American products are
somewhere below whale crap and that is at the bottom of the ocean.

YMMV

Lew

Apparently.

"Leon" wrote in message
m...
Get you some McFeeley bits. I have never worn one of those out. Are you
sure you should not be using a #3?


Believe me I was beginning to think so, but the screwdriver is a #2. Bits
are #junk.

I paid way too much (I thought) for a handful of green (#1) and red (#2)
Robertson (square drive) bits from McFeeley's and I'm still on the first of
each (four years now!!).

Those suckers just don't wear out!

Good luck
Rob

--


http://www.robswoodworking.com

"Bill Stock" wrote in message
et.cable.rogers.com...
Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws.
After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the screw
heads
start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into spruce with a
small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to finish off quite a
few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and my 14.4 drill is a
little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and
all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW, be
careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little
fire
going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on it and
swell up my Particle Board.

"Bill Stock" wrote in message
et.cable.rogers.com...
Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws.
After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the screw
heads
start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into spruce with a
small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to finish off quite a
few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and my 14.4 drill is a
little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and
all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW, be
careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little
fire
going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on it and
swell up my Particle Board.

Avoid the VA bits...they are crap & probably your main problem. Also avoid
no name or bargain bits, the Makita bits we sell hold up very well....if
'exchange a blade' is in your area some of them provide a great selection of
very good quality driver bits as well.


--
© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
"You cannot make someone love you.
All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in."

"Rob Stokes" wrote in message
news:jgfVc.33314$X12.20447@edtnps84...
I paid way too much (I thought) for a handful of green (#1) and red (#2)
Robertson (square drive) bits from McFeeley's and I'm still on the first
of
each (four years now!!).

Those suckers just don't wear out!

Good luck
Rob

--



I'll second what Rob said. McFeeley's bits are the way to go. Love their
screws too.
--
Bryan
RSG Roll call: http://rec-sport-golf.com?rc=bergusonb

"Bill Stock" wrote in message
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Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've
gone through a box of those damn Vermont American bits.


I got mine from Lee Valley. The first one lasted me about two years..--
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

"Bill Stock" wrote in
et.cable.rogers.com:

Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson #2.

I don't know if they still stock them, but House of Tools used to carry
Robertson brand bits (the ones with the hardened steel inserts). They have
lasted forever.

Try picking up some wax and coat them as your drilling them into you wood

I seem to have this problem only when driving exterior combination drive
screws (the screws that can be driven with a #2p or a square drive bit). If
you are using these type screws a there is special bit - called a posidrive-
that has both features of a square drive and #2p. It works best. Don't
forget to lube the screws-bath soap will work in a pinch. Your 14.4 will
perform much better. - dave






"Bill Stock" wrote in message
et.cable.rogers.com...
Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws.
After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the screw
heads
start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into spruce with a
small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to finish off quite a
few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and my 14.4 drill is a
little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and
all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW, be
careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little
fire
going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on it and
swell up my Particle Board.

Soap is hydroscopic, and will attract and hold WATER on the screw, so
it is not really a good lube for screws that can rust. A bit of paste
wax like Johnson's is a better choice unless using galv or SS or brass
screws

John

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:26:11 GMT, wrote:

I seem to have this problem only when driving exterior combination drive
screws (the screws that can be driven with a #2p or a square drive bit). If
you are using these type screws a there is special bit - called a posidrive-
that has both features of a square drive and #2p. It works best. Don't
forget to lube the screws-bath soap will work in a pinch. Your 14.4 will
perform much better. - dave






"Bill Stock" wrote in message
. net.cable.rogers.com...
Does anyone have a preference for drill driver bits, specifically
Robertson
#2. I've been driving quite a few screws the last few days and I've gone
through a box of those damn Vermont American bits. Some screws seem better
than others, but overall the bit seems just a tad too small for most
screws.
After about 10 screws the bit starts to get rounded off and the screw
heads
start to look like the Star of David. I'm driving these into spruce with a
small pilot hole, so nothing too strenuous. I've had to finish off quite a
few screws by hand, as my screwdriver grips better and my 14.4 drill is a
little wimpy for the longer screws.

I don't know if it's the bits (likely), the screws or if my technique is a
contributing factor. I tried to drill out one of my Star or David screws
and
all I did was melt the drill bit, so the screws are plenty tough. BTW, be
careful drilling screws out of Particle Board, almost had a nice little
fire
going. I was sure relieved that I did not have to throw water on it and
swell up my Particle Board.