Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

From June 2007, it will be illegal for anyone to offer a house or flat
for sale without paying up to £2,000 for a 100-page "Home Information
Pack", prepared by a certified inspector. This "HIP" will contain
details of legal and council searches, and a "Home Condition Report",
checklisting the kind of details obvious to a fairly rudimentary
visual inspection. (Buyers will still need to commission a full
structural survey and valuation.)

This is a flimsy cover, however, for the real motive behind Mr
Prescott's HIP scheme - his obligation to comply with EC directive
2002/91 requiring every home put on the market to have an "Energy
Performance Certificate", based on a formula which measures the size of
a property against recent fuel bills.

The more closely surveyors, estate agents and lawyers look into Mr
Prescott's scheme, the more horrified they become, not just by its
pointlessness, but by the damage it is likely to inflict on the
property market. According to his officials, it will require up to
7,500 inspectors, each needing 18 months' training.
The latest figure for inspectors in the pipeline is only 1,800, so when
the scheme comes into force in 18 months, less than a quarter of the
required number will be available.

Nevertheless, anyone caught by trading standards officials selling a
home without an HIP will be liable to a summary penalty up to £500. The
shortage of inspectors means that, unless Mr Prescott is allowed a
postponement from Brussels, delays of months, even years, will be
inevitable, creating havoc across the domestic property market.
The initial cost of commissioning an HIP will be incurred by the estate
agent, to be added to the bill when the property is sold. Although the
Government's estimated cost for an "average"
property is only £700 including VAT (quite onerous enough for sellers
on low incomes), in many cases the cost will be as high as £2,000, and
perhaps even more. Few vendors will wish to pay such sums more than
once, particularly when the cost of copying a 100-page report for each
prospective buyer could be £15 or more. Gone will be the days of
offering a home through more than one agent.

One horrified observer of this "disaster waiting to happen" is Philip
Collings, formerly the IT director for Railtrack, who has just launched
a website (www.hipfreehomes.com), explaining some of the more glaring
flaws in the scheme. He points out that, of the £1 billion a year it
will cost to run, the Government will take £87 million in VAT, and that
the details of each property will have to be registered on a Government
website, making it easier to carry out revaluations for council tax.

But Mr Collings also believes he has spotted a loophole in the scheme,
by which homeowners could avoid having to pay for HIPs. Although he is
not revealing the details yet, for fear of counter-action by Mr
Prescott, he is inviting property owners who are likely to sell within
two years to register their interest on his website, so that in due
course he can sign them up, for a modest fee, to an arrangement which
he believes could save them thousands of pounds and months of hassle

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:08:48 GMT, "Ophelia" wrote:

Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

From June 2007, it will be illegal for anyone to offer a house or flat
for sale without paying up to £2,000 for a 100-page "Home Information
Pack", prepared by a certified inspector. This "HIP" will contain
details of legal and council searches, and a "Home Condition Report",
checklisting the kind of details obvious to a fairly rudimentary
visual inspection. (Buyers will still need to commission a full
structural survey and valuation.)

This is a flimsy cover, however, for the real motive behind Mr
Prescott's HIP scheme - his obligation to comply with EC directive
2002/91 requiring every home put on the market to have an "Energy
Performance Certificate", based on a formula which measures the size of
a property against recent fuel bills.

The more closely surveyors, estate agents and lawyers look into Mr
Prescott's scheme, the more horrified they become, not just by its
pointlessness, but by the damage it is likely to inflict on the
property market. According to his officials, it will require up to
7,500 inspectors, each needing 18 months' training.
The latest figure for inspectors in the pipeline is only 1,800, so when
the scheme comes into force in 18 months, less than a quarter of the
required number will be available.

Nevertheless, anyone caught by trading standards officials selling a
home without an HIP will be liable to a summary penalty up to £500.

Some percentage chance of a £500 penalty vs. a £2000 report - the former seems the better deal..!

Mike Harrison wrote:

Nevertheless, anyone caught by trading standards officials selling a
home without an HIP will be liable to a summary penalty up to £500.


Some percentage chance of a £500 penalty vs. a £2000 report - the former seems the better deal..!

My thoughts exactly... not like trading standards are sitting there
twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do anyway is it!

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Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.
People seem so clueless they just accept it.


NT

"Ophelia" wrote in message
o.uk...
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott,

From the "Telegraph". That say it all. The Tory party propaganda outlet.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.


What freedoms are you deprived of?

In article ,
Mike Harrison writes:
Some percentage chance of a £500 penalty vs. a £2000 report - the former seems the better deal..!

I thought it was a £5000 fine, and that's what was said on
You and Yours when they covered it a few months back.

The £700 report assumes the home inspectors are qualified to
carry out all the inspections required, and that was based
on the government's assumption that surveyors and others in
the building trade would come forward to be trained. That
hasn't happened. The inspectors who have come forward to be
trained are all from outside the building trade, and have no
experience of it. This means they will have to employ multiple
specialist inspectors to undertake all the work, which is why
the cost is much more likely to be in the thousands, combined
with the issue that there are nowhere near as many inspectors
trained up as there should have been by now, so they will be
in very short supply.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Ophelia" wrote in message
o.uk...
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott,

From the "Telegraph". That say it all. The Tory party propaganda outlet.

The Torygraph?

They didn't find this information in a burning Baghdad building did
they? ;-)

On 23 Jan 2006 11:42:44 -0800, wrote:


Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Ophelia" wrote in message
o.uk...
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott,

From the "Telegraph". That say it all. The Tory party propaganda outlet.

The Torygraph?

They didn't find this information in a burning Baghdad building did
they? ;-)

Don't worry - it'll probably be a 4 page spread in the Daily Mail
tomorrow and then we will ALL know it's gospel.

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Sometimes a majority only means that all the fools are on the same side.

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:05:56 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Ophelia" wrote in message
. co.uk...
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott,

From the "Telegraph". That say it all. The Tory party propaganda outlet.


No, that's 16 Old Queen St. London SW1.


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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:44:37 +0000, Mike Harrison wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:08:48 GMT, "Ophelia" wrote:

Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

From June 2007, it will be illegal for anyone to offer a house or flat
for sale without paying up to £2,000 for a 100-page "Home Information
Pack", prepared by a certified inspector. This "HIP" will contain
details of legal and council searches, and a "Home Condition Report",
checklisting the kind of details obvious to a fairly rudimentary
visual inspection. (Buyers will still need to commission a full
structural survey and valuation.)

This is a flimsy cover, however, for the real motive behind Mr
Prescott's HIP scheme - his obligation to comply with EC directive
2002/91 requiring every home put on the market to have an "Energy
Performance Certificate", based on a formula which measures the size of
a property against recent fuel bills.

The more closely surveyors, estate agents and lawyers look into Mr
Prescott's scheme, the more horrified they become, not just by its
pointlessness, but by the damage it is likely to inflict on the
property market. According to his officials, it will require up to
7,500 inspectors, each needing 18 months' training.
The latest figure for inspectors in the pipeline is only 1,800, so when
the scheme comes into force in 18 months, less than a quarter of the
required number will be available.

Nevertheless, anyone caught by trading standards officials selling a
home without an HIP will be liable to a summary penalty up to £500.

Some percentage chance of a £500 penalty vs. a £2000 report - the former seems the better deal..!

Exactly what I was going to say. £500 flat rate tax on conveyancing round
here that'll hardly make much of a percentage difference over the Stamp
Duty.

It's bit like the advice to fraudsters about VAT. "If you are seriously in
trouble and you are about to be inspected then just burn and wipe all
records the, the penalty for non-record keeping is a maximum of £5000."


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Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
Mike Harrison writes:
Some percentage chance of a £500 penalty vs. a £2000 report - the former
seems the better deal..!

I thought it was a £5000 fine, and that's what was said on
You and Yours when they covered it a few months back.

No, 500 was nearer the mark. I think it is specifically mentioned on
one of the ODPM's web documents - look for the bit about who will enforce
(Weights and Measures, LBA). 5000 is what you (potentially) pay for failing
to notify the BCO (and/or 6 months in gaol learning not to drop the soap).

I'd get a quote but I'm tired and can't be bothered. If you can;t find it,
ask in a couple of days and I'll dig it out. Unless it's been changed in the
last 5 weeks or so...

I thought exactly the same - 500 fine vs. 500-700 cost!


The £700 report assumes the home inspectors are qualified to
carry out all the inspections required, and that was based
on the government's assumption that surveyors and others in
the building trade would come forward to be trained. That
hasn't happened. The inspectors who have come forward to be
trained are all from outside the building trade, and have no
experience of it. This means they will have to employ multiple
specialist inspectors to undertake all the work, which is why
the cost is much more likely to be in the thousands, combined
with the issue that there are nowhere near as many inspectors
trained up as there should have been by now, so they will be
in very short supply.



If you look at the IEE forums which carry a couple of threads on this,
it seems certain to date that the HIP won;t include an electrical PIR, just
a visual check by the new "inspectors" which may or may not recommend a PIR
or other expert opinion. Judging by the shower of wannabe HIP inspector
trainees that were on Radio 4 couple of months back, then as long as your
wires are colour coordinated they'll pass!

"Ooh look Trinny, brown IS the new red!"

People speak ill of surveyors for being of variable efficiency in finding
problems, but this new breed of inspector sounds like it will drop to a
whole lower level.

Waste of bl**dy time and money IMO. The only bit that can be trusted will be
the searches as they are pretty procedural, but they'll be repeated by the
buyer's conveyancer anyway, just in case the HIP missed something.

Tim

Doctor Drivel wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.


What freedoms are you deprived of?

The freedom to go about my private business without being constantly jerked
around by petty beaurocrats and central gubbermint.

Tim

On 23 Jan 2006 04:44:34 -0800, wrote:

Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.
People seem so clueless they just accept it.

NT

I am all for sensible regulations on new builds, but this is a bit silly
really.

Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should be
fired.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should be
fired.

Blair can't fire him, cos he is blanking off his arse. And what a big
blank he makes ;-)

Having said that, he does need a huge arse to blank him :-)

Once we get rid of the B liar, the likes of prescot will wither.

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should be
fired.

Blair can't fire him, cos he is blanking off his arse. And what a big
blank he makes ;-)

Having said that, he does need a huge arse to blank him :-)

Once we get rid of the B liar, the likes of prescot will wither.


He would wither a lot faster in front of a flamethrower

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:28:19 +0000 (UTC), "John"
wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should be
fired.

Blair can't fire him, cos he is blanking off his arse. And what a big
blank he makes ;-)

Having said that, he does need a huge arse to blank him :-)

Once we get rid of the B liar, the likes of prescot will wither.


He would wither a lot faster in front of a flamethrower


Buncefield 2 ?


--

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"Tim S" wrote in message
.. .
Doctor Drivel wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.


What freedoms are you deprived of?

The freedom to go about my private business without being constantly
jerked
around by petty beaurocrats and central gubbermint.

Welcome to the real world. It has always been there. Otherwise go and live
in Chad.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 23 Jan 2006 04:44:34 -0800, wrote:

Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.
People seem so clueless they just accept it.

NT

I am all for sensible regulations on new builds, but this is a bit silly
really.

Prescott is a total asshole anyway

He isn't. He is quite bright and great ramrodder. A snotty nosed, snotty uni
arsehole like yourself just doesn't like his north of England accent. Thay
is what you don't like.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should be
fired.

Blair can't fire him, cos he is blanking off his arse. And what a big
blank he makes ;-)

Having said that, he does need a huge arse to blank him :-)

Once we get rid of the B liar, the likes of prescot will wither.

Another brainwashed Tory idiot. The longest sustained economic growth in
history. We could go back to poverty, deprivation, and hundreds of
thousands living on the streets as we had with the Conservatories. I which I
prefer.

I Tony Blair told NO lies. Many instigations proved that. Did Central
Office send you here? Boris for PM. My God!!!!!

"John" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Prescott is a total asshole anyway..he understands nothing, and should
be
fired.

Blair can't fire him, cos he is blanking off his arse. And what a big
blank he makes ;-)

Having said that, he does need a huge arse to blank him :-)

Once we get rid of the B liar, the likes of prescot will wither.


He would wither a lot faster in front of a flamethrower

Amazing. A man from Grimsby, that beacon of prosperity under the Tories.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:02:23 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
.. .
On 23 Jan 2006 04:44:34 -0800, wrote:

Ophelia wrote:
Prescott plans a new disaster for house sales

John Prescott, the man who doesn't pay his council tax, will soon face
another major embarrassment. This is the chaos he will unleash by
introducing a serious new complication to homebuying, due to cost
homeowners £1 billion a year - all because he wishes to disguise his
need to obey a Brussels directive.

I do hope the tide will turn at some point, and we'll see some freedom
from this idiotic nannying, and general taking away of our freedoms.
People seem so clueless they just accept it.

NT

I am all for sensible regulations on new builds, but this is a bit silly
really.

Prescott is a total asshole anyway

He isn't. He is quite bright and great ramrodder. A snotty nosed, snotty uni
arsehole like yourself just doesn't like his north of England accent. Thay
is what you don't like.


I see that he had a little accident yesterday:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4655018.stm

Somehow I have difficulty with the suggestion that he was telling the
truth about his gym visits.

Although to give him his due, his statement ".. I feel a right bloody
twit... " is a good self assessment.

The article goes on to say

"Mr Prescott was treated for 15 minutes at the stadium before leaving
in his car. "

and finally

"It (the regeneration plan) also includes improving movement into and
around the city for all transport and reducing dependence on cars. "


Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.







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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:00:20 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.


Most being inappropriate and of little or no value. Time for him to
go. He's just making a fool of himself.




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Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

Hitler got things done.

"Tim S" wrote in message
.. .
Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

Hitler got things done.

He never, they got beat.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:00:20 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
. ..

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

Most being

** snip Little Middle England garbage yet again **

Sad but true.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

Alas none of them useful. He should be your hero.


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"John Rumm" aka Essex Chav wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

Alas

Chav, you are a lunatic. And you are in the Association.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Tim S wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.
Hitler got things done.

Mussolini got the trains running on time.

Not for long though as the RAF bombed them.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:53:38 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

Somehow I have difficulty with the suggestion that he was telling the
truth about his gym visits.

Oh I expect he his, but trying to sprint against a load of fit young kids
without warming up first is sure fire way to hurt yourself.

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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:35:19 +0000, Owain
wrote:

Tim S wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.
Hitler got things done.

Mussolini got the trains running on time.

It's a slightly drastic solution for Network Rail though.

Oh, I don't know.....




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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

...but the wrong things.

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

..but the wrong things.

You are making things up. Name us one? What is it, you don't like his
north of England accent, and that came from a working class background?
Pathetic!!!

In message ews.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

..but the wrong things.

You are making things up. Name us one?

His bus lane on the M4 for example

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"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

..but the wrong things.

You are making things up. Name us one?

His bus lane on the M4 for example

Great idea fro buses and taxis.

raden wrote:

You are making things up. Name us one?

His bus lane on the M4 for example

Part taking the Pee for another


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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:29:07 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

..but the wrong things.

You are making things up. Name us one?

His bus lane on the M4 for example

Great idea fro buses and taxis.


No it isn't.

It allows taxis to get from Heathrow to the Chiswick flyover a little
more quickly, whereupon they join the rest of the traffic.

If I want to go from Heathrow to Central London, then I will use the
Heathrow Express followed by a taxi. That typically results in the
fastest journey to an end point in Central London without having to
use the Electric Toilet.

The bus lane on the M4 as well as the one on the spur road into the
central area terminals are completely worthless and simply make
matters worse.


--

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:18:02 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

raden wrote:

You are making things up. Name us one?

His bus lane on the M4 for example

Part taking the Pee for another


In short, he's an Oxygen Thief.


--

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Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:56:18 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he should look into regenerating himself first. Resignation
would be a better option, though.

Prescot has done a great job. He gets things done.

..but the wrong things.

You are making things up. Name us one? What is it, you don't like his
north of England accent, and that came from a working class background?
Pathetic!!!

Part P, HIP, 63+ houses per acre? Oh that's alright then.

Got nowt to do with him being northern. I lived in York for some years and I
have a great respect for Yorkshiremen. Except him.

He's worse than useless. If he were just useless he'd do better.

Tim