Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 +0000, nrh wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

a) Yes,
b) Neither.

There is a removable part where all the debris *that is magnetic* will be
trapped. The magnet does not come into contact with the water. The debris
can be disposed of.

Note that really severe corrosion is non magnetic.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

In news Ed Sirett scribed:


a) Yes,
b) Neither.

There is a removable part where all the debris *that is magnetic* will be
trapped. The magnet does not come into contact with the water. The debris
can be disposed of.

Note that really severe corrosion is non magnetic.

Thanks (again!) Ed. As I am keen to protect my newly installed secondary
heat exchanger from further blockages by the black 'rust' before I can renew
my rusting old rads in the summer, I was hoping this might prove to be the
answer. I've got some Sentinel x400 swilling around in there at the moment,
but obviously I can't leave it in for months on end. Nor do I really want to
add an inhibitor in a couple of weeks time when I come to flush it all out,
only to dump it when I change the rads. Still, for the price, I guess it
isn't too much hardship. Just weighing up the pro's and cons at the mo,
really.

Cheers
Nigel

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:34 +0000, nrh wrote:

Thanks (again!) Ed. As I am keen to protect my newly installed secondary
heat exchanger from further blockages by the black 'rust' before I can renew
my rusting old rads in the summer, I was hoping this might prove to be the
answer. I've got some Sentinel x400 swilling around in there at the moment,
but obviously I can't leave it in for months on end.

I think you can, actually.

Nor do I really want to
add an inhibitor in a couple of weeks time when I come to flush it all out,
only to dump it when I change the rads.

A 'wasted' pack of inhibitor will be cheaper than £80!

In news John Stumbles scribed:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:34 +0000, nrh wrote:


I think you can, actually.

Hmm, not wot it says on the tin tho. "Min 48 hours (!!) / Max 4 weeks". Any
further comment?

A 'wasted' pack of inhibitor will be cheaper than £80!

Yep, too true.

Nigel

"nrh" wrote in message
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In news John Stumbles scribed:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:34 +0000, nrh wrote:


I think you can, actually.

Hmm, not wot it says on the tin tho. "Min 48 hours (!!) / Max 4 weeks".
Any
further comment?

A 'wasted' pack of inhibitor will be cheaper than £80!

Yep, too true.

Inhibitor wears off, the Magnaclean filter works all the time.

"nrh" wrote in message
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In news Ed Sirett scribed:


a) Yes,
b) Neither.

There is a removable part where all the debris *that is magnetic* will be
trapped. The magnet does not come into contact with the water. The debris
can be disposed of.

Note that really severe corrosion is non magnetic.

Thanks (again!) Ed. As I am keen to protect
my newly installed secondary heat exchanger
from further blockages by the black 'rust' before
I can renew my rusting old rads in the summer,
I was hoping this might prove to be the
answer.

It is.

I've got some Sentinel x400 swilling around
in there at the moment, but obviously I can't
leave it in for months on end. Nor do I really want to
add an inhibitor in a couple of weeks time
when I come to flush it all out, only to dump it
when I change the rads. Still, for the price, I guess it
isn't too much hardship. Just weighing up the
pro's and cons at the mo, really.

Install one now. they are easy to fit. It will take all the crap out if the
system. Install, and clean after one week, then every month until the
boiler change. 3 weeks before the boiler change install X-400. Leave the
filter still in, or relocate, after the boiler change. then install X-100.

Use disposable gloves when cleaning the filters and have a bucket under.
nasty gooey stuff.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

This seems to be the natural successor to those magic water softeners,
where a few turns of wire around the pipe with a current flowing in it
solves all your hard water problems but empties your wallet.

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

I wish I had thought of it and become rich, but I thought it too
simple a con to fool people. (

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:04:52 GMT, EricP
wrote:

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

So it removes magnetite sludge in that case.

Presumably it also removes any heavier-than-water particles too.

sponix

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:21:51 +0000, sponix wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:04:52 GMT, EricP
wrote:

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

So it removes magnetite sludge in that case.

Presumably it also removes any heavier-than-water particles too.

Only particles of Nickle, Cobalt etc. uncommon contaminants IME.



--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

"sponix" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:04:52 GMT, EricP
wrote:

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

So it removes magnetite sludge in that case.

Presumably it also removes any heavier-than-water particles too.

sponix

It removes all particles.

In ,
EricP scribed:


This seems to be the natural successor to those magic water softeners,
where a few turns of wire around the pipe with a current flowing in it
solves all your hard water problems but empties your wallet.

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

I wish I had thought of it and become rich, but I thought it too
simple a con to fool people. (

:-)

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:04:52 +0000, EricP wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

This seems to be the natural successor to those magic water softeners,
where a few turns of wire around the pipe with a current flowing in it
solves all your hard water problems but empties your wallet.

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

I wish I had thought of it and become rich, but I thought it too
simple a con to fool people. (

This is not a con in the sense that an alternative (and unverifiable) set
of physics laws are being claimed for its method of operation.
Magnetism on magnetic debris is not witchcraft, the effect of magnets on
the propensity of water to deposit CaCO3 & MgCO3 out of solution when
heated might well be.

My beef is that, it is unnecessary, and where needed most it will neither
have been installed already nor will it work.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:04:52 +0000, EricP wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

This seems to be the natural successor to those magic water softeners,
where a few turns of wire around the pipe with a current flowing in it
solves all your hard water problems but empties your wallet.

It's a magnet. It only collects magnetic particles. It does bugger all
for the rest of the tripe in the pipes.

I wish I had thought of it and become rich, but I thought it too
simple a con to fool people. (

This is not a con in the sense that an alternative (and unverifiable) set
of physics laws are being claimed for its method of operation.
Magnetism on magnetic debris is not witchcraft, the effect of magnets on
the propensity of water to deposit CaCO3 & MgCO3 out of solution when
heated might well be.

My beef is that, it is unnecessary, and where needed most it will neither
have been installed already nor will it work.

They are well worth installing on boiler changes.

In reenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:


They are well worth installing on boiler changes.

why just "on boiler changes", if that is what you are implying? I have NO
intention of retiring my 8yo Vaillant just yet, TYVM! ;-)

Nigel

"nrh" wrote in message
.uk...
In reenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:


They are well worth installing on boiler changes.

why just "on boiler changes", if that is what you are implying? I have NO
intention of retiring my 8yo Vaillant just yet, TYVM! ;-)

You will when it sludges up.

EricP wrote:

I wish I had thought of it and become rich, but I thought it too
simple a con to fool people. (

Does this one remove Snake Oil?

Dave

"EricP" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

This seems to be

It seems you know little about it. They really do work, and work very well.
They make all the CH water very clean indeed.

Ive fitted a few of these now and they are good.certainly warrant the £80 price tag.They will only collect magnetite sludge and not reduce scale etc but thats not what there purpose is for.You only fit them on the ch pipework and not the domestic water side.

"gasgard" wrote in message
...

nrh Wrote:
Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a
new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Ive fitted a few of these now and they are good.certainly warrant the
£80 price tag.They will only collect magnetite sludge and not reduce
scale etc but thats not what there purpose is for.You only fit them on
the ch pipework and not the domestic water side.

They also pick up non-magnetic solids too.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:43 +0000, gasgard wrote:


nrh Wrote:
Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a
new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Ive fitted a few of these now and they are good.certainly warrant the
£80 price tag.They will only collect magnetite sludge and not reduce
scale etc but thats not what there purpose is for.You only fit them on
the ch pipework and not the domestic water side.

Since you've fitted one and I haven't I'll defer to your opinion.
I suppose they could be useful where proper flushing and draining
is not an option but something needs doing right now.
I just can't think where that would be the case?

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

In news Ed Sirett scribed:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:43 +0000, gasgard wrote:


Ive fitted a few of these now and they are good.certainly warrant the
£80 price tag.They will only collect magnetite sludge and not reduce
scale etc but thats not what there purpose is for.You only fit them on
the ch pipework and not the domestic water side.

Since you've fitted one and I haven't I'll defer to your opinion.
I suppose they could be useful where proper flushing and draining
is not an option but something needs doing right now.
I just can't think where that would be the case?

I have now located the obligatory (82 megabyte!) video!
http://www.magnaclean.co.uk/seeitwork.shtml
I have to say that watching it reminded me a little of one of those
knife-selling type demonstrations you see at trade shows or in department
stores, & which make you feel that you cannot possibly manage without one.
But, just exactly *what* was in that black sludge that so obligingly clung
to the magnet? Freshly ground iron filings? If I don't go right ahead and
buy one now, am I to be considered neither a "perfectionist" nor a
"professional"? Dear me, can't have that! Now, where's my credit card?......

:-)
Nigel

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:48:43 +0000, gasgard wrote:


nrh Wrote:
Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a
new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Ive fitted a few of these now and they are good.certainly warrant the
£80 price tag.They will only collect magnetite sludge and not reduce
scale etc but thats not what there purpose is for.You only fit them on
the ch pipework and not the domestic water side.

Since you've fitted one and I haven't I'll defer to your opinion.
I suppose they could be useful where proper flushing and draining
is not an option but something needs doing right now.
I just can't think where that would be the case?

In 5 years time when the inhibitor is not renewed.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

sponix

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Spirovent which has no magnet....and is expensive.

In reenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:
"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...


Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Spirovent which has no magnet....and is expensive.

So which is the best one for not only prevention but cure?

Nigel

"nrh" wrote in message
.uk...
In reenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:
"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...

Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

http://www.fernox.com/boilerbuddy/fl...stallation.pdf

More expensive and you need pump valves too. The Magnaclean can be DIY
cleaned.

Anyone know of alternatives?

Spirovent which has no magnet....and is expensive.

So which is the best one for not only prevention but cure?

Magnaclean does work. I have no feedback on the Fernox. Spirovent is used
extensively in commercial systems. Alpha boilers now have a spiral
(cyclone) filter fitted as standard in their boilers. Solids in CH water is
a big problem.

In reenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:


Magnaclean does work. I have no feedback on the Fernox. Spirovent is used
extensively in commercial systems. Alpha boilers now have a spiral
(cyclone) filter fitted as standard in their boilers. Solids in CH water
is a big problem.

Thanks ;-)

On a related note, would you know how Sentinel X-400 Desludger actually
works? Does it dissolve the rust particles, or merely cause them to remain
in suspension so that they can be more easily flushed out?

Nigel

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:43 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Pocket Pal - Drivel has one.



--

..andy

In ,
Andy Hall scribed:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:43 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:


Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Pocket Pal - Drivel has one.

LOL

"nrh" wrote in message
.uk...
In ,
Andy Hall scribed:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:43 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:


Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Pocket Pal - Drivel has one.

LOL

If you laughed at that you need attention.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:43 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:05 GMT, "nrh" wrote:

Would anyone please be able to advise re this product?
I came upon it in the B.E.S. Winter flyer, and wondered if it:
a) Installs as a permanent in-line fixture?
b) Is a non-renewable filter cartridge based system or does it need a new
cartridge periodically?

Copy of ad he
http://tinyurl.com/abexw

tia anyone.
Nigel

Fernox do an alternative called the "Boiler buddy".

Anyone know of alternatives?

Pocket Pal - Drivel has one.

Just because he has hair around his mouth he thinks he can talk like c**nt.
Sad isn't it.