Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or
is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

aiui - you need uv resistant cable for outside use

Regards Jeff

"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside,
or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

I wouldn't bother.

FYI whilst Sky make it a contractual obligation you don't need the extension
at all. If you have the system installed and it works then you can just
leave it at that. Software updates are done via satellite.

The only "benefit" of the telephone connection is so you can "buy"
interactive services of various sorts (all mediocre compared to the www),
also Pay per View movies.


David

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky
installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or
is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

aiui - you need uv resistant cable for outside use

Regards Jeff



Jeff is right, but my previous owner used internal cable and it was over 10
years till it fell apart!

Peter

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:

Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil


There is UV resistant outside stuff and you might prefer to use a
darker colour anyway. However, even the white would deteriorate so
slowly that it is not an issue. The Sky contract only requires you
to have the box connected for a year anyway.



--

..andy

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:26:41 -0000, "Vortex"
wrote:


"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside,
or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

I wouldn't bother.

FYI whilst Sky make it a contractual obligation you don't need the extension
at all. If you have the system installed and it works then you can just
leave it at that. Software updates are done via satellite.

The only "benefit" of the telephone connection is so you can "buy"
interactive services of various sorts (all mediocre compared to the www),
also Pay per View movies.

The PPV can be bought over the (voice) phone....


--

..andy

Andy Hall wrote:

slowly that it is not an issue. The Sky contract only requires you
to have the box connected for a year anyway.

Given the cluefulness of many sky installers, simply mounting a
telephone socket on the wall and not bothering to connect it to anything
may well keep them happy ;-)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:

Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil


Sky should fit the extension themselves, and you only need to have it
working for 12mths of the contract.

Andy Hall wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:


Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil



There is UV resistant outside stuff and you might prefer to use a
darker colour anyway. However, even the white would deteriorate so
slowly that it is not an issue. The Sky contract only requires you
to have the box connected for a year anyway.




My phone connection comes right round the side wall of the house from
the overhead junction box using indoor cable, installed circa 1977 by a
bodger builder I suspect. The white plastic's all cracked up and must
let the rain in but the BT man reckons its still OK, going by his
sophisticated BT electronic tests and didn't think it was worth
changing. It runs 2Mbit broadband with no problems

john

john wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:


Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky
installation. Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in,
to accommodate it. The only way is through an outside wall in the
bedroom down the outside wall and back in to the living room. Do I
need special cable for outside, or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil



There is UV resistant outside stuff and you might prefer to use a
darker colour anyway. However, even the white would deteriorate
so slowly that it is not an issue. The Sky contract only requires
you to have the box connected for a year anyway.




My phone connection comes right round the side wall of the house from
the overhead junction box using indoor cable, installed circa 1977 by
a bodger builder I suspect. The white plastic's all cracked up and
must let the rain in but the BT man reckons its still OK, going by his
sophisticated BT electronic tests and didn't think it was worth
changing. It runs 2Mbit broadband with no problems

john

I suspect you're BT man was a lazy git, when you sign up for a phone
line/BB they are supposed run a new connection point in regardless of
whether it looks alright.
Thats what you're paying installation fee for.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

In article ,
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
I suspect you're BT man was a lazy git, when you sign up for a phone
line/BB they are supposed run a new connection point in regardless of
whether it looks alright.
Thats what you're paying installation fee for.

I never had a BT person call when I changed to BB.

--
*Forget the Joneses, I keep us up with the Simpsons.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
john wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:



Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky
installation. Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in,
to accommodate it. The only way is through an outside wall in the
bedroom down the outside wall and back in to the living room. Do I
need special cable for outside, or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil



There is UV resistant outside stuff and you might prefer to use a
darker colour anyway. However, even the white would deteriorate
so slowly that it is not an issue. The Sky contract only requires
you to have the box connected for a year anyway.




My phone connection comes right round the side wall of the house from
the overhead junction box using indoor cable, installed circa 1977 by
a bodger builder I suspect. The white plastic's all cracked up and
must let the rain in but the BT man reckons its still OK, going by his
sophisticated BT electronic tests and didn't think it was worth
changing. It runs 2Mbit broadband with no problems

john


I suspect you're BT man was a lazy git, when you sign up for a phone
line/BB they are supposed run a new connection point in regardless of
whether it looks alright.
Thats what you're paying installation fee for.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



I called them out for a hissy fault which turned out to be on the
overhead line from telegraph pole to the box on my house's wooden board
thingies just under the gable end.
I thought I knew where the problem was and told the guy what to fix, but
he proved otherwise with a reflectometer, so it turned into a high-tech
vs DIY stand-off situation. That was 2 years ago and no problems since
even with the manky frayed white indoor cable still in place.

john

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:26:41 -0000, "Vortex"
wrote:


"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside,
or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

I wouldn't bother.

FYI whilst Sky make it a contractual obligation you don't need the extension
at all. If you have the system installed and it works then you can just
leave it at that. Software updates are done via satellite.

Sky make it a contractual obligation to tempt you to use the PPV and
nasty games easily. They also check up...
You really do have to connect the box up to a telephone line to get
the cheap installation (well, for the first year anyhow). We
disconnected our phone from the box for a week while decorating and
they called us up to find out why! Although they were very polite
about it (said NP but don't forget to reconnect when you've finished)
they did make it quite clear that if it was not reconnected they'd
cease the service.

You can disconnect it after a year if you want.
--
ACK and you shall receive.

Sky should fit the extension themselves, and you only need to have it
working for 12mths of the contract.

Having seen some of Sky's ' installations', I fitted my own. But if you
want yards of trailing flex across your room......

Dave

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:58:32 GMT, (Paul) wrote this
(or the missive included this):

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:

Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside wall
and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside, or is
the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil


Sky should fit the extension themselves, and you only need to have it
working for 12mths of the contract.

Just disconnect from the telephone socket as soon as they walk out of
the door.
You only need it to book Sky BoxOffice movies or to play silly buggers
on-line. (So stick it back in temporarily should you need it one
night)


--
®óñ© © ² * ¹°°³ -¹

"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside,
or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.

Has the system already been installed?

When we had ours installed the Sky Engineer did us a free telephone
extension..

sponix

"Ron Clark" wrote

Just disconnect from the telephone socket as soon as they walk out of
the door.

Sky boxes 'phone home' in the wee small hours every now and again.

sponix

sponix wrote:

"Ron Clark" wrote


Just disconnect from the telephone socket as soon as they walk out of
the door.


Sky boxes 'phone home' in the wee small hours every now and again.

At whose expense ?

Dave

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:

sponix wrote:

"Ron Clark" wrote


Just disconnect from the telephone socket as soon as they walk out of
the door.


Sky boxes 'phone home' in the wee small hours every now and again.

At whose expense ?

Dave

Theirs. 0800 number


--

..andy

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:28:17 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:

sponix wrote:

"Ron Clark" wrote


Just disconnect from the telephone socket as soon as they walk out of
the door.


Sky boxes 'phone home' in the wee small hours every now and again.

At whose expense ?

Dave

Theirs. 0800 number

Well, yours, indirectly :-)

--
Frank Erskine

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
john wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:11:57 -0000, "Neil"
wrote:


I suspect you're BT man was a lazy git, when you sign up for a phone
line/BB they are supposed run a new connection point in regardless of
whether it looks alright.
Thats what you're paying installation fee for.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



Sorry but that's a load of ****e, and I speak as a cable jointer on BT for
over 17 years.

Mogweed.

Thanks to all for advice, it as been very helpful and appreciated.
Neil

"Neil" wrote in message
...
Seasons greetings,
The " kids" have dragged us into the 21st century with a sky installation.
Unfortunately I need to put a telephone extension in, to accommodate it.
The only way is through an outside wall in the bedroom down the outside
wall and back in to the living room. Do I need special cable for outside,
or is the white stuff okay to use?
Many thanks for any advice.
Neil

How far is it from a current phone socket to where your sky box will be? We
just used a splitter in our existing phone socket with a 10m extension cable
running under the carpet. The splitter is like this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...567487-3251057