Geoff ? :-))))

In message , woodglass
writes
Geoff ? :-))))

If you have any friends, then Google is it

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , woodglass
writes
Geoff ? :-))))

If you have any friends, then Google is it

I've used Google on many occasions, and at no time have i found their
services restricted to only those people with friends.

So, do you think it's ok for me to continue to use Google ?.






--
geoff

Do a search on Limewire or similar. you can download the instructions to make your own! At your own risk !

"Owain" wrote in message
...
woodglass wrote:
Geoff ? :-))))

This is a DIY group. Make your own f*cking dynamite.

Owain

Following the recent publicity why not try Acetone Peroxide? (Recipe easily
found by Googling)

Why'd you want dynamite for? Pardon me for stereotyping, but you're not from
Islamic Asia and in possession of a ruck sack are you?

I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you needed a
rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is likely to explode
(loaded with nitrogen). Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently
increasingly difficult to get hold off.

You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll the
newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended "running
like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an "alley". Unless,
of course, you wanted to blow it up.

Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

RedOnRed wrote:
Why'd you want dynamite for? Pardon me for stereotyping, but you're not from
Islamic Asia and in possession of a ruck sack are you?

Dynamite is actually quite handy for many DIY tasks.
From digging large holes (1m SDS drill, dynamite at bottom, job done),
to removing stumps, removing slabs, ...
You can even use it to join pipes with.
(not plastic ones though).

Not to mention explosive forming, which is good for a number of tasks.

RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you needed a
rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is likely to explode
(loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get hold off.

No, it's not.


You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll the
newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended "running
like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an "alley". Unless,
of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..

Erm...what?



Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.

Ordinary fertiliser is easy to come by and does have nitrogen in it, but the
type which is supposed to be ideal for making explosives and loaded with
nitrogen is now supposed to be harder to get hold. Which would sensible
enough to me.



You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

I would've stood corrected if you were observant enough to point out that
it's actually the ammonium nitrate that is the key ingredient.

Get the right stuff and it's completely unstable. Take it you've got the
right fertiliser and tried it yourself have you? If you have, then
presumably you haven't got a full compliment of limbs and/or are writing
this from the other side?

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

And for your information...

In Australia all products, including fertilisers containing greater than 45%
ammonium nitrate have been designated as security sensitive ammonium nitrate
(SSAN) and will be subject to regulation. SSAN includes calcium ammonium
nitrate which is not classified as a dangerous good, and dangerous goods
with UN numbers 1942, 2067, 2068, 2069, 2070, 2071, 2072, 3375 and 3139,
where applicable.

Additionally...
New polymer coating makes it harder for terrorists to use Ammonium nitrate
as a bomb-making material.

Ammonium nitrate is a widely used fertiliser which has been used in several
IRA attacks, the World Trade Center bombing in New York in 1993, the
Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the Bali bombing in 2002, amongst others.
Millions of tonnes of ammonium nitrate are produced each year for use as a
fertiliser. It can be turned into an explosive by mixing the chemical with
fuel oil and, while it is not necessarily easy for would-be bombers to do
this with fertiliser-grade ammonium nitrate, it is not impossible.

RedOnRed wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote in message...

RedOnRed wrote:

I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..

Erm...what?

Fertiliser is not "likely to explode" - the landscape is not strewn
with the remains of farmers and their machinery.


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


Ordinary fertiliser is easy to come by and does have nitrogen in it, but the
type which is supposed to be ideal for making explosives and loaded with
nitrogen is now supposed to be harder to get hold. Which would sensible
enough to me.

You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.

Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

I would've stood corrected if you were observant enough to point out that
it's actually the ammonium nitrate that is the key ingredient.

Sigh.


Get the right stuff and it's completely unstable.

No, it is not.


Take it you've got the right fertiliser and tried it yourself have you?

Clue: in some industries explosives based on what you mention, with
various admixtures, are used very widely.


If you have, then presumably you haven't got a full compliment of limbs
and/or are writing this from the other side?


I see that by the time you posted:

Message-ID:

you had done a little research. However, it's a little more involved
than just mixing up a bit of fertiliser and pouring some diesel oil
or whatever on, fortunately. Do you maintain that your original "bomb"
recipe has any chance whatever or working?

Fertiliser is not "likely to explode" - the landscape is not strewn
with the remains of farmers and their machinery.

I suppose you believe that diesel on farms won't burn even though they store
a lot of that too? Or perhaps a barn full of straw won't burn down?


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


Message-ID:

you had done a little research. However, it's a little more involved
than just mixing up a bit of fertiliser and pouring some diesel oil
or whatever on, fortunately. Do you maintain that your original "bomb"
recipe has any chance whatever or working?

Yes I do. Given the right balance of ingredients, including the right
restricted fertiliser.

RedOnRed wrote, completely munging the attributions:
Fertiliser is not "likely to explode" - the landscape is not strewn
with the remains of farmers and their machinery.

I suppose you believe that diesel on farms won't burn even though they store
a lot of that too? Or perhaps a barn full of straw won't burn down?

Nothing to do with applying fertiliser, is it.


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


Message-ID:

you had done a little research. However, it's a little more involved
than just mixing up a bit of fertiliser and pouring some diesel oil
or whatever on, fortunately. Do you maintain that your original "bomb"
recipe has any chance whatever or working?


Yes I do. Given the right balance of ingredients, including the right
restricted fertiliser.

shrug

weekendwarrior wrote:
woodglass Wrote:
Geoff ? :-))))
Do a search on Limewire or similar. you can download the instructions
to make your own! At your own risk !

Fairly easy as I recall from unofficial school research. Basically
nitro-glycerine soaked sawdust. Nitro glycerine involves conc. nitric
acid and glycerine. Gun cotton similar but easier.

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote, completely munging the attributions:
Fertiliser is not "likely to explode" - the landscape is not strewn
with the remains of farmers and their machinery.

I suppose you believe that diesel on farms won't burn even though they
store a lot of that too? Or perhaps a barn full of straw won't burn down?

Nothing to do with applying fertiliser, is it.


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to
get hold off.

No, it's not.


Message-ID:

you had done a little research. However, it's a little more involved
than just mixing up a bit of fertiliser and pouring some diesel oil
or whatever on, fortunately. Do you maintain that your original "bomb"
recipe has any chance whatever or working?


Yes I do. Given the right balance of ingredients, including the right
restricted fertiliser.

shrug

Sorry mate, no amount of acute smugness and arrogance in the form of shrugs
and "erms" is going to make me change my mind.

I've demonstrated my point, why not demonstrate yours (smugness free if
possible) if you're so confident.

RedOnRed wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote
Do you maintain that your original "bomb" recipe has any chance whatever
or working?

Yes I do. Given the right balance of ingredients, including the right
restricted fertiliser.

shrug

Sorry mate, no amount of acute smugness and arrogance in the form of shrugs
and "erms" is going to make me change my mind.

That was a shrug dismissive of ignorance, not an arrogant or
smug shrug.


I've demonstrated my point

Quite.


why not demonstrate yours (smugness free if possible) if you're
so confident.

What "point" do you want demonstrating? Explain, if you like.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:52:14 +0100, RedOnRed wrote:


"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

And for your information...

In Australia all products, including fertilisers containing greater than 45%
ammonium nitrate have been designated as security sensitive ammonium nitrate
(SSAN) and will be subject to regulation. SSAN includes calcium ammonium
nitrate which is not classified as a dangerous good, and dangerous goods
with UN numbers 1942, 2067, 2068, 2069, 2070, 2071, 2072, 3375 and 3139,
where applicable.

Additionally...
New polymer coating makes it harder for terrorists to use Ammonium nitrate
as a bomb-making material.

Ammonium nitrate is a widely used fertiliser which has been used in several
IRA attacks, the World Trade Center bombing in New York in 1993, the
Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the Bali bombing in 2002, amongst others.
Millions of tonnes of ammonium nitrate are produced each year for use as a
fertiliser. It can be turned into an explosive by mixing the chemical with
fuel oil and, while it is not necessarily easy for would-be bombers to do
this with fertiliser-grade ammonium nitrate, it is not impossible.


Many year s ago I remember seeing a video about quarrying.
IIRC a substantial hole is bored from the top of the cliff downwards.

The hole is filled with bags of Ammonium Nitrate and Diesel is poured in
after. A stick of commercial mining/quarrying explosive is shoved down the
into the top of the mixture together with its detonator.

It may be that the fertiliser/deisel mixture can be detonated with just a
detonator but I suspect that using a stick of makes the process more
reliable. However I'd hazard a guess that just setting fire to it won't
make it explode.

Now I'm reliably told that mining quarrying explosives are so stable that
they can be burnt on a fire without exploding.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

In message , RedOnRed
writes
Why'd you want dynamite for? Pardon me for stereotyping, but you're not from
Islamic Asia and in possession of a ruck sack are you?

If you'd been paying attention, you'd know we were discussing getting
rid of ants nests

That's two hours detention for you sonny

--
geoff

In message , RedOnRed
writes
Fertiliser is not "likely to explode" - the landscape is not strewn
with the remains of farmers and their machinery.

I suppose you believe that diesel on farms won't burn even though they store
a lot of that too? Or perhaps a barn full of straw won't burn down?

Which has exactly what to do with creating explosives with fertiliser?


--
geoff

In message , RedOnRed
writes

"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

And for your information...

In Australia all products, including fertilisers containing greater than 45%
ammonium nitrate have been designated as security sensitive ammonium nitrate
(SSAN) and will be subject to regulation. SSAN includes calcium ammonium
nitrate which is not classified as a dangerous good, and dangerous goods
with UN numbers 1942, 2067, 2068, 2069, 2070, 2071, 2072, 3375 and 3139,
where applicable.

Which has what exactly to do with the UK ?


--
geoff

Ed Sirett wrote:
Many year s ago I remember seeing a video about quarrying.
IIRC a substantial hole is bored from the top of the cliff downwards.

The hole is drilled at a particular angle/depth, as well as downwards!
Think about shock waves and the shattering effects/depth of hole
compared to depth of step.


The hole is filled with bags of Ammonium Nitrate and Diesel is poured in
after.

It's generally mixed beforehand - various additions/physical
characteristics are possible/useful.

A stick of commercial mining/quarrying explosive is shoved down the
into the top of the mixture together with its detonator.
It may be that the fertiliser/deisel mixture can be detonated with just a
detonator but I suspect that using a stick of makes the process more
reliable.

Hence admixtures, etc.


However I'd hazard a guess that just setting fire to it won't
make it explode.

If you've a great pile of the stuff, maybe.


Now I'm reliably told that mining quarrying explosives are so stable that
they can be burnt on a fire without exploding.

Se latter statement. Sawdust/diesel is laid out in a herringbone
fashion, with piles of explosive at the end of the "bones". Dimensions
and quantities are given in procedures.

It's all quite fascinating, but of real use dictated by context.

In message .uk, Ed
Sirett writes
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:52:14 +0100, RedOnRed wrote:


"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you
needed a rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is
likely to explode (loaded with nitrogen).

Erm..


Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently increasingly difficult to get
hold off.

No, it's not.


You have to empty some of the nitrogen in to the newspaper and then roll
the newspaper up. Dip the rag in diesel and then put it in the end of the
newspaper. You then have to light the rag and it then recommended
"running like f**k" and not doing it in a "confined area" such as an
"alley". Unless, of course, you wanted to blow it up.

That, fortunately, has no chance of exploding.


Surprising how easy it is. This is of course simply observational quoting
and for scientific use and reference only.

Quote some more like that, it may help!

And for your information...

In Australia all products, including fertilisers containing greater than 45%
ammonium nitrate have been designated as security sensitive ammonium nitrate
(SSAN) and will be subject to regulation. SSAN includes calcium ammonium
nitrate which is not classified as a dangerous good, and dangerous goods
with UN numbers 1942, 2067, 2068, 2069, 2070, 2071, 2072, 3375 and 3139,
where applicable.

Additionally...
New polymer coating makes it harder for terrorists to use Ammonium nitrate
as a bomb-making material.

Ammonium nitrate is a widely used fertiliser which has been used in several
IRA attacks, the World Trade Center bombing in New York in 1993, the
Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the Bali bombing in 2002, amongst others.
Millions of tonnes of ammonium nitrate are produced each year for use as a
fertiliser. It can be turned into an explosive by mixing the chemical with
fuel oil and, while it is not necessarily easy for would-be bombers to do
this with fertiliser-grade ammonium nitrate, it is not impossible.


Many year s ago I remember seeing a video about quarrying.
IIRC a substantial hole is bored from the top of the cliff downwards.

The hole is filled with bags of Ammonium Nitrate and Diesel is poured in
after. A stick of commercial mining/quarrying explosive is shoved down the
into the top of the mixture together with its detonator.

It may be that the fertiliser/deisel mixture can be detonated with just a
detonator but I suspect that using a stick of makes the process more
reliable. However I'd hazard a guess that just setting fire to it won't
make it explode.

Now I'm reliably told that mining quarrying explosives are so stable that
they can be burnt on a fire without exploding.

That's the difference between "low" and high explosives IIRC

Gunpowder explodes by burning (very fast)

High explosives are set off by a shock wave and explode at the speed of
sound (I presume in that medium)

TNT would just burn away if you put it on an open fire, it needs a
percussive initiation to make it explode

(that could have been phrased better)

--
geoff

wrote:

weekendwarrior wrote:
woodglass Wrote:
Geoff ? :-))))
Do a search on Limewire or similar. you can download the instructions
to make your own! At your own risk !

Fairly easy as I recall from unofficial school research. Basically
nitro-glycerine soaked sawdust. Nitro glycerine involves conc. nitric
acid and glycerine. Gun cotton similar but easier.

In days of yore.
Getting nitric acid of the required concentration is not trivial, nor
is concentrating it.

"woodglass" wrote in message
. uk...
Geoff ? :-))))
If you've got the relevant firearms and explosives licence then of course
you would know where your local supplier was.

wrote:

|| Fairly easy as I recall from unofficial school research. Basically
|| nitro-glycerine soaked sawdust. Nitro glycerine involves conc. nitric
|| acid and glycerine. Gun cotton similar but easier.

Nitro-glycerine soaked fullers earth AFAIK.

Dave

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:10:10 +0100, "RedOnRed" wrote:

Why'd you want dynamite for? Pardon me for stereotyping, but you're not from
Islamic Asia and in possession of a ruck sack are you?

I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you needed a
rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is likely to explode
(loaded with nitrogen). Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently
increasingly difficult to get hold off.


Round my way, you just walk into the local farmers shop, and buy a
lorry full. I guess speaking welsh, wearing wellies, and stinking of
sheep whould count you as trusted, where any of wearing a suit,
wearing trainers, smelling of soap, driving a car with reg plates, or
being a non white whoule make you untrusted.

Rick

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:56:34 GMT, Rick wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:10:10 +0100, "RedOnRed" wrote:

Why'd you want dynamite for? Pardon me for stereotyping, but you're not from
Islamic Asia and in possession of a ruck sack are you?

I've seen one DIY tip for making a bomb (not dynamite). It said you needed a
rag, diesel, newspaper and the type of fertaliser which is likely to explode
(loaded with nitrogen). Which, for obvious reasons, is apparently
increasingly difficult to get hold off.


Round my way, you just walk into the local farmers shop, and buy a
lorry full. I guess speaking welsh, wearing wellies, and stinking of
sheep whould count you as trusted, where any of wearing a suit,
wearing trainers, smelling of soap, driving a car with reg plates, or
being a non white whoule make you untrusted.

Rick


Mentioning sheep and wellies in the same sentence could also get you
into trouble, although perhaps 'dafad' and 'esgidiau' might not.


--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:37:51 +0100, Andy Hall
scrawled:

Round my way, you just walk into the local farmers shop, and buy a
lorry full. I guess speaking welsh, wearing wellies, and stinking of
sheep whould count you as trusted, where any of wearing a suit,
wearing trainers, smelling of soap, driving a car with reg plates, or
being a non white whoule make you untrusted.

Rick


Mentioning sheep and wellies in the same sentence could also get you
into trouble,

Not round here it doesn't, well, depends what you call trouble.....
--
Stuart @ SJW Electrical

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