I just moved into this flat and am trying to get my washing machine up
and running. The removal men kindly plugged it in for me but they said
I needed to get a jubilee clip to make sure the hose stays on the water
inlet.

Have bought said jubilee clip, from Wilkinsons, at least when I asked
for a jubilee clip the assistant came up with this. It's a ring with a
screw at the side. I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the ring
but nothing happens. Have I bought the wrong thing, or is there perhaps
a superior type of jubilee clip which I could buy, which might be easier
to use?

Sorry for asking such an elementary question.

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Sue Beans

"Sue Beans" wrote in message
...
I just moved into this flat and am trying to get my washing machine up
and running. The removal men kindly plugged it in for me but they said
I needed to get a jubilee clip to make sure the hose stays on the water
inlet.

Have bought said jubilee clip, from Wilkinsons, at least when I asked
for a jubilee clip the assistant came up with this. It's a ring with a
screw at the side. I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the ring
but nothing happens. Have I bought the wrong thing, or is there perhaps
a superior type of jubilee clip which I could buy, which might be easier
to use?

Sorry for asking such an elementary question.

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Sue Beans

Yep that's a jubilee clip, but I don't understand where your trying to put
it. The inlet pipe should look like this :-
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...11576&ts=00427

(Comes in blue as well!)

Which shouldn't need a jubilee clip.

Please enlighten us!

Dave Jones

Firstly are you sure you mean "Water Inlet". Washing machines have
dedicated fill hoses which do not use jubilee clips. I presume you mean
the waste outlet or DRAIN HOSE.

A jubilee clip will come into play in this scenario to attach the drain
hose to a drain spigot (hole) in the waste trap under the kitchen sink.
Usually if there is no drain hose attached to the waste trap then water
will p*ss out under the sink when the tap is run.

Assuming we are talking about the waste outlet, you shouldn't have to
unscrew the jubilee clip at all because you should just be able to slip
it over the end of the drain hose, push the hose onto the corresponding
drain spigot under the kitchen sink, and then tighten it up. From new,
Jubilee clips are fully undone. Perhaps you have got the wrong size.
From memory you probably want about a 30mm diameter Jubilee clip. If in
doubt measure the diameter of the drain hose and take it from there -
get a jubilee clip about 5 mm bigger.

Hope this helps.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Sue Beans wrote:

I just moved into this flat and am trying to get my washing machine up
and running. The removal men kindly plugged it in for me but they
said I needed to get a jubilee clip to make sure the hose stays on
the water inlet.

Have bought said jubilee clip, from Wilkinsons, at least when I asked
for a jubilee clip the assistant came up with this. It's a ring with
a screw at the side. I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the
ring but nothing happens. Have I bought the wrong thing, or is there
perhaps a superior type of jubilee clip which I could buy, which
might be easier to use?

Sorry for asking such an elementary question.

Sounds like you've got a duff jubilee clip (or worm-drive clip to give it
its generic name).

But you shouldn't be using one of those anyway! You need a proper plumbed-in
washing machine tap (or two if your machine has cold and hot feeds) with
threaded outlets onto which the hoses from the machine will screw securely.

Anything less than that will end in floods - of tears if nothing else!
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:01:06 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:

I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the ring

When it runs out of thread, it won't loosen anymore. If you really
need to split the ring open, pull it apart by hand.

As others have said, this isn't something that should be on the inlet,
unless the installer had made a bodge of course.

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In article , djones2004
@nospam.tiscali.co.uk says...

"Sue Beans" wrote in message
...
I just moved into this flat and am trying to get my washing machine up
and running. The removal men kindly plugged it in for me but they said
I needed to get a jubilee clip to make sure the hose stays on the water
inlet.


[snip]

Yep that's a jubilee clip, but I don't understand where your trying to put
it. The inlet pipe should look like this :-
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...11576&ts=00427

(Comes in blue as well!)

Which shouldn't need a jubilee clip.

Please enlighten us!


So sorry, I meant outlet (blush!)

But unfortunately I found out that a jubilee clip will not solve my
problems (see next postings)

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Sue Beans

In article .com,
says...
Firstly are you sure you mean "Water Inlet". Washing machines have
dedicated fill hoses which do not use jubilee clips. I presume you mean
the waste outlet or DRAIN HOSE.

Yes. Sorry about the slip.


A jubilee clip will come into play in this scenario to attach the drain
hose to a drain spigot (hole) in the waste trap under the kitchen sink.

Yes, that's the situation. Unfortunately, I've now learned the hard way
that my washing machine won't work with this installation. (I tried it
out and it refused to drain, leading to a long session of manual
emptying.)

According to the manual, the waste pipe needs to empty into a standpipe.
So I'll have to find a plumber to put in a standpipe, I guess. And a
launderette. :-(

[snip]

Assuming we are talking about the waste outlet, you shouldn't have to
unscrew the jubilee clip at all because you should just be able to slip
it over the end of the drain hose, push the hose onto the corresponding
drain spigot under the kitchen sink, and then tighten it up. From new,
Jubilee clips are fully undone. Perhaps you have got the wrong size.
From memory you probably want about a 30mm diameter Jubilee clip. If in
doubt measure the diameter of the drain hose and take it from there -
get a jubilee clip about 5 mm bigger.

Yes, I understand now. The clip was the wrong size, as you say. I'm
going to let the plumber sort it out, since I have to call one.


Hope this helps.

Yes indeed. Thanks.

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Sue Beans

In article , says...

Anything less than that will end in floods - of tears if nothing else!


Quite! I meant the outlet, not the inlet. I've discovered I need a
plumber to put in a standpipe instead of trying to empty into the sink's
waste pipe. I used to have a little Indesit, long ago, which emptied
into the sink pipe quite happily, but this one demands a standpipe,
according to the manual, and will not drain unless there is air if you
see what I mean. And sure enough, it didn't. :-(

Thanks to all for replies.

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"Sue Beans" wrote in message
...

A jubilee clip will come into play in this scenario to attach the drain
hose to a drain spigot (hole) in the waste trap under the kitchen sink.

Yes, that's the situation. Unfortunately, I've now learned the hard way
that my washing machine won't work with this installation.

Why?

At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs, did you check the drain spigot
wasn't blocked (or even blanked off)?

Having said that, the simple "hook it over a vertical waste pipe" seems to
he the preferred method- little chance of siphoning back into the machine.


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Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:01:06 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:

I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the ring

When it runs out of thread, it won't loosen anymore. If you really
need to split the ring open, pull it apart by hand.

As others have said, this isn't something that should be on the inlet,
unless the installer had made a bodge of course.

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Nigel M

I recall that when I bought a sink u-bend with a washing machine waste
spigot there was no hole in the spigot. It needed the have the end cut off
to allow it to work - in other words it didn't have an opening otherwise
emptying the sink without the washer attached would have caused a flood
under the sink. See example:
http://tinyurl.com/bjhk7

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:56 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:

this one demands a standpipe ... and will not drain unless there is air

If you plug it onto a multi-sink connector, there IS air. Many WM
manufacturers still say you need a standpipe because that's what the
Water Regs used to say.

I suspect your problem is a trapped pipe.
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Nigel M

In message , Nigel
Molesworth writes
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:56 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:

this one demands a standpipe ... and will not drain unless there is air

If you plug it onto a multi-sink connector, there IS air. Many WM
manufacturers still say you need a standpipe because that's what the
Water Regs used to say.

I suspect your problem is a trapped pipe.

OR.
Before you connected your waste pipe to the connector under the sink was
there anything else connected to it? If not then it may well have a
blanking disk in it to stop sink water from coming out. It may be worth
unscrewing it and having a look??

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Bill

john wrote:
"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:01:06 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:


I've tried unscrewing the screw to open up the ring

When it runs out of thread, it won't loosen anymore. If you really
need to split the ring open, pull it apart by hand.

As others have said, this isn't something that should be on the inlet,
unless the installer had made a bodge of course.

--
Nigel M


I recall that when I bought a sink u-bend with a washing machine waste
spigot there was no hole in the spigot. It needed the have the end cut off
to allow it to work - in other words it didn't have an opening otherwise
emptying the sink without the washer attached would have caused a flood
under the sink. See example:
http://tinyurl.com/bjhk7


Mine was the same is this. Just to point out, if you do manage to get
the outlet attached to the spigot on the waste pipe, you should try and
make sure that the waste pipe goes higher than the spigot at some point,
so that water emptying down the sink goes down the drain as opposed to
down the washing machine waste pipe, if you see what I mean

In article , lid
says...
"Sue Beans" wrote in message
...

A jubilee clip will come into play in this scenario to attach the drain
hose to a drain spigot (hole) in the waste trap under the kitchen sink.

Yes, that's the situation. Unfortunately, I've now learned the hard way
that my washing machine won't work with this installation.

Why?

At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs, did you check the drain spigot
wasn't blocked (or even blanked off)?


It's not blanked off and doesn't seem to be blocked. I think it's just
in the wrong position -- not enough gravity.

Having said that, the simple "hook it over a vertical waste pipe" seems to
he the preferred method- little chance of siphoning back into the machine.

That's the reason given in the manual. Whether it's going to be
possible to get a vertical waste pipe in to this tight space is the next
question I guess.

I just found the receipt and discovered that I bought it (from John
Lewis) on 26/8/03 -- two years ago, minus two days, so still under
warranty. Hooray! Their servicing agency has given me an apptmt so
I'll wait and see what they say. Thanks.

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Sue Beans

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:56 +0100, Sue Beans wrote:

this one demands a standpipe ... and will not drain unless there is air

If you plug it onto a multi-sink connector, there IS air. Many WM
manufacturers still say you need a standpipe because that's what the
Water Regs used to say.

I suspect your problem is a trapped pipe.


I hope you're right. That sounds easier than putting in a standpipe.

Thanks.

--
Sue Beans

In article ,
says...
Before you connected your waste pipe to the connector under the sink was
there anything else connected to it? If not then it may well have a
blanking disk in it to stop sink water from coming out. It may be worth
unscrewing it and having a look??



The previous occupants had a washing machine installed there. It's
definitely not blanked. It's possible there could be a blockage but I
don't think so -- I suspect it's just not draining because the outlet is
too high. An engineer is coming to have a look, so I'll see what he
says.

Thanks.

--
Sue Beans

In article , says...
john wrote:
I recall that when I bought a sink u-bend with a washing machine waste
spigot there was no hole in the spigot. It needed the have the end cut off
to allow it to work - in other words it didn't have an opening otherwise
emptying the sink without the washer attached would have caused a flood
under the sink. See example:
http://tinyurl.com/bjhk7


Mine was the same is this. Just to point out, if you do manage to get
the outlet attached to the spigot on the waste pipe, you should try and
make sure that the waste pipe goes higher than the spigot at some point,
so that water emptying down the sink goes down the drain as opposed to
down the washing machine waste pipe, if you see what I mean


This was in use with the previous occupants' washing machine, so in
principle it works. It must be a difference between their w.m. and
mine. I'm hoping it'll just be a question of resiting the outlet.

Thanks.

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Sue Beans

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Sue Beans wrote:

Unfortunately, I've now learned the hard
way that my washing machine won't work with this installation. (I
tried it out and it refused to drain, leading to a long session of
manual emptying.)

The thought occurs to me to wonder whether there is a problem with the
*machine* rather than with the drainpipe connection.

Have you tried just hooking the outlet pipe over the edge of the sink - or
standing a bucket on the chair and putting it into that? If that works, then
fair enough - but if it doesn't, you might have a duff pump in which case
installing a standpipe will just be a waste of money.
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