In article ,
Chris wrote:
Since when has it been an offence to drink Meths or Isopropyl alcohol?

It might not be, but I'll bet it is if you sell it knowing (or suspecting)
it's going to be drunk.

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I'd hardly describe a dustman as a cushy job. Out in all weathers, need to
be fit, and put up with dreadful smells etc. Very early starts, too.

It's not a job I'd choose to do regardless.

Did'nt say it was, just it pays more.

Dave

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Andy Dingley
writes
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:45:29 GMT, raden wrote:

Did you ask him why ?

War On Drugs (rather than terrorism). Isopropanol has been difficult
to buy from a chemist for some years now, and not _entirely_ without
justification. OTOH, go round the corner to the industrial supplier
(greasemonkey, not lab coat) and you'll get it no problem because they
don't even know what else it can be used for.

I expect acetone to become harder to get hold of, following last week's
bombs.

Bugger, that's my nails gonna be a mess

Don't worry, dwahling, the best nail polish removers don't contain acetone.

You reall ARE bored aren't you!

Bored, but improving

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You're not a winemaker are you ?

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.

Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours. Sometimes
malic acid is used and sometime tannic. Sometimes a combination.

Mary

"raden" wrote in message
...


You reall ARE bored aren't you!

Bored, but improving

Good. I'm pleased to here it :-)

Mary

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In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You're not a winemaker are you ?

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.

Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours. Sometimes
malic acid is used and sometime tannic. Sometimes a combination.

Or glycol in Austria / Italy
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"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary Fisher
writes

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You're not a winemaker are you ?

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.

Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours. Sometimes
malic acid is used and sometime tannic. Sometimes a combination.

Or glycol in Austria / Italy

That's for smoothness.

Mary
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geoff

In message , raden
writes
In message , Andy Dingley
writes
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:38:22 GMT, "Egremont" wrote:

RE my original post, I was starting to think Al Quaeda must be making bombs
out of Aspirin or something

It's unlikely they used that (it's ferociously difficult), but are you
aware there _are_ pyro uses for aspirin ?

Yeah, but the nanny state means you can't even buy a bottle of 100
anymore

I think yuo mean paracetomol
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Chris French

In message , Andy Dingley
writes
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:56:53 +0100, Ed Sirett
wrote:

Paraffin - Just buy White Spirit.

Quite different stuff, and enough to matter. White spirit will
evaporate, paraffin won't, subst. turps mostly does.


And anyway, you can get paraffin easily anyway
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Chris French

In message , chris French
writes
In message , raden
writes
In message , Andy Dingley
writes
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:38:22 GMT, "Egremont" wrote:

RE my original post, I was starting to think Al Quaeda must be making bombs
out of Aspirin or something

It's unlikely they used that (it's ferociously difficult), but are you
aware there _are_ pyro uses for aspirin ?

Yeah, but the nanny state means you can't even buy a bottle of 100
anymore

I think yuo mean paracetomol

I thought it was both

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geoff

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You're not a winemaker are you ?

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.

Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours.

I thought it was to provide an environment that the yeast thrived in.

IIRC you used to mix citric acid and sodium metabisulphate to make a
sterilising solution (SO2 being the result).

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
ll.com:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:56:53 +0100, Ed Sirett wrote:

My chemistry isn't good enough to know what you do next ...

You have the net, you have google... I haven't googled acetone
peroxide yet.


I have - and very impressed that on the very day that it was announced,
wikipedia had an updated entry mentioning that it had been used in the
Lonodon bombing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide

Ammonia - is it still used in any refrigerators? And would it be
extractable?

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Rod

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:38:22 GMT, "Egremont" wrote:


RE my original post, I was starting to think Al Quaeda must be making bombs
out of Aspirin or something


It's unlikely they used that (it's ferociously difficult), but are you
aware there _are_ pyro uses for aspirin ?

Vitamin tablets make useful propellant IIRC.

In rural areas I would have thought getting hold of Ammonium Nitrate in
the form of commercial fertilizer was plausible.

I I drive less than a mile out of Fareham on the A32 I can find it ready
prilled in 1 tonne bags left by the roadside for a farmer...

raden wrote:
You have the net, you have google... I haven't googled acetone
peroxide yet.

Echelon is waiting for you

And they are already talking about making it an offence to look....

Hi all,

We had our windows (softwood) replaced about 12 years ago, with double
glazed PVCU framed ones.
Recently I had a security assessment by the local CRO (crime reduction
officer), he said they were "not robust", no further explanation, so any
ideas what he's talking about and how to improve them???

Niel.

Mary Fisher wrote:

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.


Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours. Sometimes
malic acid is used and sometime tannic. Sometimes a combination.

You can use citric as an acidity adjuster in the wine itself (which is
what you describe), however it also works in solution with Sodium
Metabisufate as a sterilsing solution.

The sodium metabisulfate solution evolves a gas (sulphur dioxide) which
sterilises on contact. The addition of citric acid helps speed up the
reaction IIUC. Very effective, but try and avoid breathing the fumes!


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Mary Fisher wrote:

"raden" wrote in message
...


You reall ARE bored aren't you!


Bored, but improving


Good. I'm pleased to here it :-)


Hear it mary, with an 'a'...

Mary

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geoff

raden wrote:

In message , chris French
writes
In message , raden
writes
In message , Andy Dingley
writes
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:38:22 GMT, "Egremont" wrote:

RE my original post, I was starting to think Al Quaeda must be making bombs
out of Aspirin or something

It's unlikely they used that (it's ferociously difficult), but are you
aware there _are_ pyro uses for aspirin ?

Yeah, but the nanny state means you can't even buy a bottle of 100
anymore

I think yuo mean paracetomol

I thought it was both

It's both.
I bought two packages of 16 blister-packed aspirin a month or so ago - and
the counter person had to 'counsel' me on their use.
That wouldn't have happened if I'd only bought one package.

Sheila

Egremont wrote:
Something else I've never been able to get is Plaster of Paris, as
recommended by Jackson / Day to fix a broken ceiling. Perhaps it's now
branded as "Arm Fixer" in Chemists or "Fast Setting Ceiling Fixer" in B&Q,
or maybe I need to find an outlet that supplies my local A&E unit...

RE my original post, I was starting to think Al Quaeda must be making bombs
out of Aspirin or something - I can't even get something to clean up a brass
letterbox from my local Chemists. But maybe I just need to find a better
one.

I vaguely recall there is a way to synthesise explosives from asprin, that
is salicylic acid (sp?).
Picric acid?

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:51:31 +0100, dave stanton wrote:


I expect acetone to become harder to get hold of, following last week's
bombs.

That used Acetone Peroxide

Has that been confirmed publically yet, or was it just obvious ?

You can't buy acetone peroxide OTC (you can't store or ship the stuff
safely anyway) but it's an easy synthesis and the only powerful
explosive that's still a viable kitchen sink process.

Nitroglycerine isn't exactly hard, though getting the nitric acid may be.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:55:25 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Couldn't he drive a binwagon?

No, that requires a Class 2 HGV.

Which isn't exactly hard to get, to be honest. But it's apparently more
valuable than an Oxbridge chem degree.

In article ,
Andy Dingley wrote:
No, that requires a Class 2 HGV.

Which isn't exactly hard to get, to be honest. But it's apparently more
valuable than an Oxbridge chem degree.

Not according to the 'knights of the road' on the uk.rec.cars.**** groups.

They're always whinging about poor pay, conditions and status.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 17 Jul 2005 00:49:11 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

Nitroglycerine isn't exactly hard, though getting the nitric acid may be.

Exactly. Most easy synthesis of anything powerful needs conc. nitric
acid, which just isn't easy to get these days. This isn't an
unreasonable constraint, to be honest - there are few sensible
justifications for having conc. nitric acid around the house and lots of
badness you can get up to with it.

And given a supply of nitric acid, who's going to bother making
nitroglycerine? (or nitrocellulose) The stuff's unusably sensitive -
hence Nobel's invention of dynamite. If you have nitric acid to hand, it
would be RDX, which is also a much easier and less hazardous synthesis.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
k...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

You're not a winemaker are you ?

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.

Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours.

I thought it was to provide an environment that the yeast thrived in.

No, that's a culture medium.

Mary

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

Nope, my mum used to be though. I Dabbled in home brewing a few years
back.


Citric acid isn't used for sterilising but to balance flavours. Sometimes
malic acid is used and sometime tannic. Sometimes a combination.

You can use citric as an acidity adjuster in the wine itself (which is
what you describe),

Why are you repeating it then?

however it also works in solution with Sodium Metabisufate as a sterilsing
solution.

It's not necessary.

The sodium metabisulfate solution evolves a gas (sulphur dioxide) which
sterilises on contact. The addition of citric acid helps speed up the
reaction IIUC.

There's no point. Wine-making,as in breadmaking and lots of other processes
(if you want to make a good product) can't be hurried.

Mary

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

"raden" wrote in message
...


You reall ARE bored aren't you!


Bored, but improving


Good. I'm pleased to here it :-)


Hear it mary, with an 'a'...

The bait worked!

Mary (with a capital M)

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:55:25 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Couldn't he drive a binwagon?

No, that requires a Class 2 HGV.

Which isn't exactly hard to get, to be honest. But it's apparently more
valuable than an Oxbridge chem degree.

My point was that he shouldn't begrudge the binwagon drivers their earnings,
he could do that job if he wanted to.

I'm not criticising the lad, or you, but there is a lot of unjustified envy
about others' pay, as I see it.

You and Spouse COULD earn a lot more than you do - we choose a different
life.

Mary

bleach and disfectent
Weed killer and diesel
and the good old petrol bomb

In article ,
Huge wrote:
No, that requires a Class 2 HGV.

Which isn't exactly hard to get, to be honest. But it's apparently
more valuable than an Oxbridge chem degree.

Not according to the 'knights of the road' on the uk.rec.cars.****
groups.

They're always whinging about poor pay, conditions and status.

Blimey, you don't pay any attention to Conor, do you?

No - it's just hard to avoid him. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Huge wrote:

S Viemeister writes:

I buy my painkillers in the USA, now. 1000 x 500mg paracetamol, $17 in a supermarket.

I usually do that too - Costco has excellent prices! But I wasn't at home
(or in the US), and I desperately needed aspirin.

Sheila

On 17 Jul 2005 10:55:59 GMT, Huge wrote:

I bought two packages of 16 blister-packed aspirin a month or so
ago - and the counter person had to 'counsel' me on their use.

At least they let you buy 'em I've been refused2 or maybe 3 packets of
paracetamol in the past.

I buy my painkillers in the USA, now. 1000 x 500mg paracetamol, $17
in a supermarket.

I buy mine in Costco, 20 packs of 16 or something like that. You do
need to have a "trade" rather than "personal" account to do that
though.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In article ,
Huge wrote:
Blimey, you don't pay any attention to Conor, do you?

No - it's just hard to avoid him. ;-)

charon{huge}74: grep -i conor ~/News/KILL
/Conor /h:j
/Conor Turton /h:j

Aww - what has he ever done to you? ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Mary Fisher wrote:
There's no point. Wine-making,as in breadmaking and lots of other processes
(if you want to make a good product) can't be hurried.

I can vouch for that. Just had our 2nd bottle of blackberry from last
year's crop (it popped its own cork) and it was a noticeable improvement
on the first which we had in april. Haven't even bottled the apple yet
(from 8 months ago).

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Mary Fisher wrote:
Don't worry, dwahling, the best nail polish removers don't contain acetone.

You reall ARE bored aren't you!

I've got a rejected bottle of "Acetone Free Nail Polish Remover" here.
The first 2 words are true, I am reliably informed the rest aren't. It
does take magic marker off nicely though.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 10:55:59 GMT, Huge wrote:


I bought two packages of 16 blister-packed aspirin a month or so
ago - and the counter person had to 'counsel' me on their use.


At least they let you buy 'em I've been refused2 or maybe 3 packets of
paracetamol in the past.

You can't buy more than 2 packs anywhere. Most pharmacies have larger
(24/32) blister packs if you ask.

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In message , Chris
Hodges writes
Mary Fisher wrote:
Don't worry, dwahling, the best nail polish removers don't contain acetone.
You reall ARE bored aren't you!

I've got a rejected bottle of "Acetone Free Nail Polish Remover" here.
The first 2 words are true, I am reliably informed the rest aren't. It
does take magic marker off nicely though.

It's OK, I have an angle grinder

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"Chris Hodges" wrote in message
. uk...
Mary Fisher wrote:
Don't worry, dwahling, the best nail polish removers don't contain
acetone.

You reall ARE bored aren't you!

I've got a rejected bottle of "Acetone Free Nail Polish Remover" here. The
first 2 words are true, I am reliably informed the rest aren't. It does
take magic marker off nicely though.

LOL!

Mary

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:55:05 GMT, Chris Hodges wrote:

At least they let you buy 'em I've been refused2 or maybe 3 packets
of paracetamol in the past.

You can't buy more than 2 packs anywhere. Most pharmacies have
larger (24/32) blister packs if you ask.

ANd how many of those can you buy at a time, one I guess. Whats the
fipping point? If I want to top meself, I just go from one shop to the
next buying packs in each... Yet another restriction that serves no
real purpose.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In message om, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:55:05 GMT, Chris Hodges wrote:

At least they let you buy 'em I've been refused2 or maybe 3 packets
of paracetamol in the past.

You can't buy more than 2 packs anywhere. Most pharmacies have
larger (24/32) blister packs if you ask.

ANd how many of those can you buy at a time, one I guess. Whats the
fipping point? If I want to top meself, I just go from one shop to the
next buying packs in each... Yet another restriction that serves no
real purpose.

Which reminds me, whatever happened to that other great NuLabia idea -
the M4 bus lane ?


--
geoff