I'm soon to be fitting a Surrey Flange to the top of my hot water
cylinder as the water pressure to my shower is poor and inconsistent
despite having a pump recently installed. The pressure before fitting
the pump (as left by the plumber who installed it) was extremely poor.

Question:
Will I need a pump on the new set up? The bottom of the cold water tank
to the shower head is only about 600mm but I can reduce the number of
bends and use 22mm pipe if required. If not can I get a pump that
operates next to the tank in the loft as many (like my old one) require
about 2m of head.



There is also a lot of air getting into the hot water and I'd like to
solve this at the same time if possible. Currently the pipe from the
top of the hot water cylinder goes vertically up and vents over the
cold water tank in the loft. Hot water is drawn off horizontally about
200mm above the cylinder.

Question:
Is this set up ok or should the pipes be angled somehow to prevent air
being sucked in?

On 16 Jun 2005 08:37:19 -0700, "
babbled like a waterfall and said:

Question:
Will I need a pump on the new set up? The bottom of the cold water tank
to the shower head is only about 600mm but I can reduce the number of
bends and use 22mm pipe if required. If not can I get a pump that
operates next to the tank in the loft as many (like my old one) require
about 2m of head.

Can you raise the level of the tank in the loft?

In article . com,
" writes:
I'm soon to be fitting a Surrey Flange to the top of my hot water
cylinder

Isn't that a song from Oklahoma?
--
SAm.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:42:28 +0000 (UTC), (Sam Nelson)
babbled like a waterfall and said:

In article . com,
" writes:
I'm soon to be fitting a Surrey Flange to the top of my hot water
cylinder

Isn't that a song from Oklahoma?

10/10

Cheers! )

Not without moving the tank to a different part of the loft and then by
only about 1 meter.
This would obviously involve moving all the pipe work.

I could do it though if it's really worth it.

Bob

Check out the Stuart Turner pumps site.
ISTR there are some recommendations, particularly on the placement of the
hot take off from the tank.
If your take off is from the central top connection of your cylinder this is
definitely NOT what the pump manufacturers like to see!
They want the take off below the top of the tank on the down feed to the
bath. In other words, after the air has been allowed to vent back to the
tank.
The other option is an essex flange tapped into the side of the tank - a
good google on these should give an installation diagram

Phil

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
wrote:

I'm soon to be fitting a Surrey Flange to the top of my hot water
cylinder as the water pressure to my shower is poor and inconsistent
despite having a pump recently installed. The pressure before fitting
the pump (as left by the plumber who installed it) was extremely poor.

Question:
Will I need a pump on the new set up? The bottom of the cold water
tank to the shower head is only about 600mm but I can reduce the
number of bends and use 22mm pipe if required. If not can I get a
pump that operates next to the tank in the loft as many (like my old
one) require about 2m of head.



There is also a lot of air getting into the hot water and I'd like to
solve this at the same time if possible. Currently the pipe from the
top of the hot water cylinder goes vertically up and vents over the
cold water tank in the loft. Hot water is drawn off horizontally about
200mm above the cylinder.

Question:
Is this set up ok or should the pipes be angled somehow to prevent air
being sucked in?

The head is the vertical distance from the shower head to the *top surface*
of the water in the cold tank - not to the bottom of the tank.

Why not put the pump at bathroom floor level - or under the bath. You'll
then have plenty of head from the tank to the pump - and can pump the water
back up to the shower.

The reason you are getting air in the water is that you're pumping it
*without* using a Surrey Flange - so the line of least resistance is to suck
air out of the vent pipe rather than sucking water out of the cylinder.
That's the whole point of using a Surrey Flange - it takes water from lower
down in the cylinder and eliminates the air problem. But it serves no
purpose *unless* you're pumping it - which you will have to, anyway -
because the Surrey Flange does nothing to alleviate the lack of sufficient
flow by pure gravity.
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EricP wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:42:28 +0000 (UTC), (Sam Nelson)
babbled like a waterfall and said:

In article . com,
" writes:
I'm soon to be fitting a Surrey Flange to the top of my hot water
cylinder

Isn't that a song from Oklahoma?

10/10

Cheers! )

....and there is me wondering why the Surrey police were involved....