There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

Simon Gardner wrote:
There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

Cue the "Sort out the cause rather than combating the symptoms" posts.

Saying that..... Just got a hire car with no aircon. Glad it's going
back on Tuesday!

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Saying that..... Just got a hire car with no aircon. Glad it's
going back on Tuesday!

If you'd got a car with aircon it would have been a cold wet weekend
- so we all thank you for this lovely sunshine!

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If you'd got a car with aircon it would have been a cold wet weekend
- so we all thank you for this lovely sunshine!

My pleasure Tony.
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Simon Gardner wrote:
There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

My car has climate control and I leave it running all year, the 2mpg
extra is worth it for the pleasant environment and lack of steamed up
windows.

On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:46:03 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

What, we've all got to burn in global warming hell so you can run your
AC all summer?!?

What make AC do you have BTW?

cheers,
Pete.

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In article , Pet @
www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:
Saying that..... Just got a hire car with no aircon. Glad it's
going back on Tuesday!

If you'd got a car with aircon it would have been a cold wet weekend
- so we all thank you for this lovely sunshine!


On what was officially the hottest May day for 50 years, I was working
outside this afternoon when it started raining. Knew then the Bank Holiday
had started :-)

In message , rnet writes
There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

What, when you can't pay the electricity bill ?

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"Mike" wrote in message
...

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Pet @
www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:
Saying that..... Just got a hire car with no aircon. Glad it's
going back on Tuesday!

If you'd got a car with aircon it would have been a cold wet weekend
- so we all thank you for this lovely sunshine!


On what was officially the hottest May day for 50 years, I was working
outside this afternoon when it started raining. Knew then the Bank
Holiday
had started :-)

I spent a very unpleasant 40 mins parked in the middle lane of the M5 and
very nearly cooked in the wifes non aircon crisp packet ( my car, with
climate control is sat in the bodyshop waiting for the wet weather )
Leicester to Bristol and back = 6.5 hours Grrrrrrr

79 degrees in my north facing living room and I seem to remember someone
saying there is no need for aircon in the UK

Regards Jeff

Jeff wrote:

79 degrees in my north facing living room and I seem to remember someone
saying there is no need for aircon in the UK

Did you leave your heating on?

Do you live in a bungalow with no loft insulation?

HAs somone stolen your curtains and sealed up all the windows?

:¬)

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writes

"Mike" wrote in message
...

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Pet @
www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:
Saying that..... Just got a hire car with no aircon. Glad it's
going back on Tuesday!

If you'd got a car with aircon it would have been a cold wet weekend
- so we all thank you for this lovely sunshine!


On what was officially the hottest May day for 50 years, I was working
outside this afternoon when it started raining. Knew then the Bank
Holiday
had started :-)

I spent a very unpleasant 40 mins parked in the middle lane of the M5 and
very nearly cooked in the wifes non aircon crisp packet ( my car, with
climate control is sat in the bodyshop waiting for the wet weather )
Leicester to Bristol and back = 6.5 hours Grrrrrrr

79 degrees in my north facing living room

Ah, summer's on it's way

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Simon Gardner wrote:
There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine
has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

Disgusting. You should get your obesity problem sorted out.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
.. .
I spent a very unpleasant 40 mins parked in the middle lane of the M5 and
very nearly cooked in the wifes non aircon crisp packet ( my car, with
climate control is sat in the bodyshop waiting for the wet weather )
Leicester to Bristol and back = 6.5 hours Grrrrrrr

Listened to the traffic on Radio 2 just before 17:00 - seemed like every
motorway was stopped. I even think she said something like "if you're on
the A1 you in a queue" - presumably it was solid end to end.

Doctor Evil wrote:


Simon Gardner wrote:

There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine

has

been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.


Disgusting. You should get your obesity problem sorted out.

Perhaps you should get a job that makes you sweat a little, then you
might realise that obesity and sweating are not connected. Assuming that
you are latt thin.

Dave

"raden" wrote in message

Ah, summer's on it's way

that was it, been and gone :-)

Regards Jeff

"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote in message
k...
Jeff wrote:

79 degrees in my north facing living room and I seem to remember someone
saying there is no need for aircon in the UK

Did you leave your heating on?

No, been off for more than 48 hours (a record in this house)

Do you live in a bungalow with no loft insulation?

No, house, with poor loft insulation (new roof going on shortly)

HAs somone stolen your curtains and sealed up all the windows?

Can't draw curtains during the day as the neighbours will think we are 'at
it' so i'm told.
Regarding the windows my 82 yrs old senile father lives with us and shuts
the windows to stop the 'icy draught'

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Jeff wrote:

79 degrees in my north facing living room and I seem to remember
someone
saying there is no need for aircon in the UK

Did you leave your heating on?

No, been off for more than 48 hours (a record in this house)

Do you live in a bungalow with no loft insulation?

No, house, with poor loft insulation (new roof going on shortly)

HAs somone stolen your curtains and sealed up all the windows?

Can't draw curtains during the day as the neighbours will think we are 'at
it' so i'm told.
Regarding the windows my 82 yrs old senile father lives with us and shuts
the windows to stop the 'icy draught'

Through ventilation will keep the temperature right down.

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"Doctor Evil" writes:

Through ventilation will keep the temperature right down.

Doesn't work. I spent most of the day in a modern very well insulated
house with plenty of throughdraft, but it doesn't come close to
counteracting the gain from the Sun's radiation. The throughdraft brings
in the high humidity which appeared yesterday too, which is more
responsible for the uncomfortable feeling than the high temperature.

Later in the afternoon, I went to an old (1895) house where the only
insulation is about 2" of fibreglass in the loft and pre-Part-L double
glazing, and it was wonderfully cool. IME, this is always the case when
it gets hot -- an old house with lots of thermal capacity wins hands
down over a new house with lots of insulation and no thermal capacity.

Out of interest, here is the temperature profile of the 1895 house as
logged throughout yesterday. Hottest part of the day was around 17:30,
where outside temperature reached 24.5, but inside (downstairs) it was
only 20.5 at that time, and although not apparent from the logs, the
humidity was much lower in the house too because of no throughdraft,
which made it feel like walking into a lovely air conditioned building
(which it isn't). The thermal capacity of the house prevented it from
reaching the outside temperature until nearly 11pm, but by then the
outside temperature was nearly down to the earlier downstairs
temperature anyway, so that was not uncomfortable.

May 27 Outside Downstairs Upstairs Bedroom 3
00:00:00 17.5
00:00:00 18.5
00:00:00 20.5
00:00:00 20.0
01:25:52 17.0
02:43:05 16.5
03:25:30 16.0
06:51:32 16.5
07:19:31 21.0
07:44:24 17.0
08:35:44 17.5
09:11:00 18.0
09:30:20 18.5
09:37:14 19.0
09:52:47 21.5
10:12:16 19.0
10:17:44 21.0
10:21:32 20.5
10:43:17 19.5
11:13:24 20.0
11:39:38 20.5
11:48:26 21.5
12:23:32 21.0
13:19:06 21.0
13:24:24 19.5
13:31:37 21.5
13:50:44 22.0
13:56:14 22.0
14:16:05 22.5
14:16:50 21.5
14:42:00 23.0
14:43:19 22.5
14:45:25 23.0
14:54:39 23.5
15:05:11 22.0
15:07:50 20.0
15:12:55 22.5
15:30:41 24.0
16:56:10 22.5
17:05:02 20.5
17:09:27 24.5
17:13:41 24.0
17:22:38 23.0
17:28:05 24.5
17:34:51 24.0
17:40:46 24.5
17:55:19 24.0
18:42:30 24.5
18:50:45 24.0
19:20:11 23.5
19:22:11 23.0
19:53:48 23.5
20:41:17 21.0
20:43:39 23.0
21:28:52 22.5
22:09:41 22.0
22:42:16 21.5
22:54:52 21.5
23:15:25 21.0
23:49:33 20.5

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"Doctor Evil" writes:

Through ventilation will keep the temperature right down.

Doesn't work.

snip the big advantage of thermal capacity.

Ventilation simply brings the indoor temp to whatever the outdoor temp
is. But there is a way to make that work for you. Dont vent when its
hot out and not as hot in, but do vent all night long when its cool
out. The stored coolth gives the nice results you quoted: and if
ventilation is managed optimally, much more coolth is available.


NT

In article ,
Pete C wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:46:03 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

There doesn't seem to have been an air con discussion for a bit. Mine has
been on for a few days now. Lovely. I guess it will get turned off in
October.

What, we've all got to burn in global warming hell so you can run your
AC all summer?!?

Yup. I must get round to installing a wind turbine pretty soon.

And I have always been firmly pro nuke. So that sorts a major source of
your global warming.

What make AC do you have BTW?

It's one of the numerous identical Japanese jobs. A bit over 6kW of lovely
installed Mitsubishi cooling power. It's been going well for about 5 uears
now.

Whatever ghastly furnace is going on outside, it stays a nice comfy 21
indoors - despite all the heat-emitting electronics all over the house.

In article ,
"Doctor Evil" wrote:

Through ventilation will keep the temperature right down.

Duh. No it won't, moron. Learn some elementary physics.

On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:48:02 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

What, we've all got to burn in global warming hell so you can run your
AC all summer?!?

Yup. I must get round to installing a wind turbine pretty soon.

Solar panel might be better, or buy a smallholding and plant a load of
trees.

And I have always been firmly pro nuke. So that sorts a major source of
your global warming.

What make AC do you have BTW?

It's one of the numerous identical Japanese jobs. A bit over 6kW of lovely
installed Mitsubishi cooling power. It's been going well for about 5 uears
now.

6kW is a hell of a lot if it's just one room, if so then there must be
a lot of solar gain or radiating surfaces.

Also it's probably a bit out of date compared to modern japanese kit.

Whatever ghastly furnace is going on outside, it stays a nice comfy 21
indoors - despite all the heat-emitting electronics all over the house.

Was 32ish in here Friday, but it didn't feel /that/ hot though. Got a
couple of laptops (nice n quiet) and a couple of TFTs, so can't be
more than 100w tops.

cheers,
Pete.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Doctor Evil" writes:

Through ventilation will keep
the temperature right down.

Doesn't work. I spent most of the day in a modern very well insulated
house with plenty of throughdraft, but it doesn't come close to
counteracting the gain from the Sun's radiation. The throughdraft brings
in the high humidity which appeared yesterday too, which is more
responsible for the uncomfortable feeling than the high temperature.

Later in the afternoon, I went to an old (1895) house where the only
insulation is about 2" of fibreglass in the loft and pre-Part-L double
glazing, and it was wonderfully cool. IME, this is always the case when
it gets hot -- an old house with lots of thermal capacity wins hands
down over a new house with lots of insulation and no thermal capacity.

New homes have thermal mass. 90% are built of brick and block. A north
facing room with ventilation coming in on the north side will be quite cool.

Out of interest, here is the temperature profile of the 1895 house as
logged throughout yesterday. Hottest part of the day was around 17:30,
where outside temperature reached 24.5, but inside (downstairs) it was
only 20.5 at that time, and although not apparent from the logs, the
humidity was much lower in the house too because of no throughdraft,

Relative humidity is the amount of water vapor in the air compared to how
much it can possibly hold at a given temperature.

The ability of air to hold water depends on the temperature of the air. The
warmer the air, the more moisture it can hold. Air at 30C can hold about 75%
more than at 20C. Absolute humidity is the actual amount of water vapour
(moisture) in the air, irrespective of the air temperature.

With a high masonry thermal mass the heat is absorbed into the masonry. If
cooler air is brought in from the north side the humidity will be less, see
above, as the lower the temperatrure the less moisture held in the air.
People make the mstake of taking the highest temperature and RH is thinking
it is the same in all the outside air. On a shaded north side under
vegetation, air will will be a "lot" cooler and with a lower RH than air in
full sun on the south side.

which made it feel like walking into a lovely air conditioned building
(which it isn't). The thermal capacity of the house prevented it from
reaching the outside temperature until nearly 11pm, but by then the
outside temperature was nearly down to the earlier downstairs
temperature anyway, so that was not uncomfortable.


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In article ,
Pete C wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:48:02 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

What, we've all got to burn in global warming hell so you can run your
AC all summer?!?

Yup. I must get round to installing a wind turbine pretty soon.

Solar panel might be better,

Yah. I seriously looked into that when I installed the air con but it was
uneconomic then. Maybe it will get better in the future. Really fancy the
wind turbine, though.

or buy a smallholding and plant a load of
trees.

I plant trees anyway. I like trees. I particularly like fruit trees but
we've also got a nice Cedar of Lebanon we planted.

And I have always been firmly pro nuke. So that sorts a major source of
your global warming.

What make AC do you have BTW?

It's one of the numerous identical Japanese jobs. A bit over 6kW of lovely
installed Mitsubishi cooling power. It's been going well for about 5 uears
now.

6kW is a hell of a lot if it's just one room, if so then there must be
a lot of solar gain or radiating surfaces.

It's not just one room and there's a lot of electronics here.

Also it's probably a bit out of date compared to modern japanese kit.

Could be.

Whatever ghastly furnace is going on outside, it stays a nice comfy 21
indoors - despite all the heat-emitting electronics all over the house.

Was 32ish in here Friday, but it didn't feel /that/ hot though.

21 is as hot as I like to be. I've been exactly the same since I was a kid.
The air con also sorts the humidity nicely when necessary.

Got a
couple of laptops (nice n quiet) and a couple of TFTs, so can't be
more than 100w tops.

Flat screens are all very well, but the cat falls off them. So the network
has to include an old fashioned monitor. There are two Mac laptops but they
aren't used all the time. Also, at the last count there were six or more
TVs and something like 10 satellite receivers. They tend to pump out a bit
when you add it all up.

Simon Gardner wrote:

21 is as hot as I like to be. I've been exactly the same since I was a kid.
The air con also sorts the humidity nicely when necessary.

A de-humidifier will sort out the humidity and make temps well above 21
deg. much more bearable.

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"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" writes:
Simon Gardner wrote:

21 is as hot as I like to be. I've been exactly the same since I was a kid.
The air con also sorts the humidity nicely when necessary.

A de-humidifier will sort out the humidity and make temps well above 21
deg. much more bearable.

Doesn't work because it cranks the temperature up proportionally.
Also, they have nowhere near the dehumidifying power of an air
conditioner.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A de-humidifier will sort out the humidity and make temps well above 21
deg. much more bearable.


Doesn't work because it cranks the temperature up proportionally.
Also, they have nowhere near the dehumidifying power of an air
conditioner.

I sit corrected.


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A dehumidifier uses as much power for the same performance, and dumps heat
into the room to boot. Aircon also extracts water, mine extracts /much/
faster than my de-humidifier.

dehumidifier typical 200w, for maybe 1/10th the time. 20w of drying
capacity, 20w of heat.

NT

In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A de-humidifier will sort out the humidity and make temps well above 21
deg. much more bearable.


Doesn't work because it cranks the temperature up proportionally.
Also, they have nowhere near the dehumidifying power of an air
conditioner.

I sit corrected.

I understand that there are people who can work happily in temperatures
over 21. I'm not one of them. Indeed, it can be too humid too, despite
being below 21.