RichardS wrote:

20 years ago an employer seeking to employ "the brightest and the best" and
were willing to pay for it could be reasonably sure that seeking a candidate
with a University degree would up their chances of getting exactly that,
probably more so if they additionally filtered & looked for state school
candidates.

If 50% of young people in 5 years time will have a university degree then
they can no longer just look for the degree and instead have to narrow their
filter to good degree from a good course/university. Yup, the same 5 or 10%
again.

It won't be 50%. One statistic not often trumpeted is the drop-out rate.
This varies a lot with institution but can be over 30%.

One thing New Labour seem completely unable to understand is that "you can't
buck the market". No matter what social engineering you perform, the market
will always find a way to express itself.

Law degrees do not contain anything on feedback theory. Engineers don't
go into politics.

Having said that, further/higher education is IMHO per se a very Good Thing,
but to justify tuition/top up fees on the basis that "graduates earn on
average £200k more than non-graduates" and extrapolate that into the (50%
graduate) future is so fundamentally flawed that it's damned close to being
an outright lie.


I heard £400K from Hodge a while ago. What nobody in the studio audience
pointed out, not even Chris Woodhead who was there, was that on that
figure the Treasury would receive an additional £200K. And they want
tuition fees on top of that! How greedy can you get?

Doctor Evil wrote:
"RichardS" wrote in message
...



Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"


Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.


Look people, let this go. It's a wind-up. Not even he could believe
that.

Joe wrote:
Look people, let this go. It's a wind-up. Not even he could believe
that.

Unfortunately they love it. Some of them want their heads knocking together.

In article , Doctor Evil wrote:
You said it. If you are nor good enough you get a low mark.
Despite the low score at least they can think for themselves do
research and put together their thoughts in coherent manner.

The lecturer for accounting said re one bit of coursework "if you
are going to copy one another's work please at least do me the
favour of putting different spelling mistakes in each copy". The
American Studies head of department said that as an academic she was
totally against exams because they measured a small subset of
knowledge under totally artificial conditions ... but given the
potential for abuse in coursework the module in question was
assessed by examination. There were some students who were intent on
getting a degree without doing an really work or learning much and
some probably succeeded.

The best of the students I was with were good, some really good. At
the other end of the scale I doubt whether they would have got
A-levels back when I did mine in 1970.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:
"RichardS" wrote in message
...



Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"


Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.


Look people, let this go. It's a wind-up. Not even he could believe
that.

oh, he does. Dunno how long you've been around the ng, but if it's not
long then google search for IMM is enlightening.

Look on the bright side - and I know it's difficult when following a thread
through morbid curiosity takes over - but you can ignore this thread if you
so choose. And it keeps him from contributing quite so much drivel to other
threads...


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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

"RichardS" wrote in message
...
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil wrote:
Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The
quality in British unis is externally monitored.

I did a second degree as a mature PT student 1991-96. The level of
literacy and general knowledge among some of my fellow 18-21 year
old students was horribly low. They ended up with third class or
pass degrees which are probably an employment negative. Any savvy
employer who would once have asked for a degree is probably now
only interested in a first or 2.1


Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"

Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.



Yeah, right.

Just looked up my old Physics course (& it's not a "Snot" before you throw
that accusation). 17 years on, and they're still able to set minimum
entrance A-levels as AAB (or certain equivalents). Same with ICL, and it's
ABB at Brizzol. These courses were always over-subscribed & AFAIK they
still are. They're all top tier courses & as a result get a lot of
additional funding.

At the other end of the scale, another institution just looks for three A
Levels. Not necessarily including Maths (!).

They're all pretty much the same?

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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

[ I said in a precious message ]

Maxie, I see Tone got in
again with a thumping majority.
Isn't that fabulous!

Well, in your warped world a
majority slashed by (more than likely)
over a 100 seats,

66 is generally referred to as a thumping majority.

But it doesn't change the fact
that the Labour majority was cut by
almost two thirds.

That doesn't change the fact that Labour can rule without hindrance. Heath
in 1970 had a 30 seat majority and had no trouble ruling. A 66 majority is
very comfortable. More opposition backbenchers doesn't make a difference,
except more farmyard noises at question time.


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"Joe" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:
"RichardS" wrote in message
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Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"


Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.

Look people, let this go. It's a wind-up.
Not even he could believe that.

It is true . The difference is course content and equipment the uni has.
That's all.

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On Fri, 6 May 2005 13:55:10 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
...
Tony Bryer writes:
In article ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
MH has just, in effect, resigned. He is staying on until the Tory
party has decided if they need / wish to modify their leadership
election process. Once that is done he intends to resign.

Wow! Just read the story on bbc.co.uk and I am amazed, both at the
decision and the timing.

AOL

But then he always was concerned about his age.

I'm concerned at meeting him after the sun goes down.

I imagine that he'd be concerned at meeting you at any time.....



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On Fri, 6 May 2005 16:54:16 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


"RichardS" wrote in message
...
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil wrote:
Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The
quality in British unis is externally monitored.

I did a second degree as a mature PT student 1991-96. The level of
literacy and general knowledge among some of my fellow 18-21 year
old students was horribly low. They ended up with third class or
pass degrees which are probably an employment negative. Any savvy
employer who would once have asked for a degree is probably now
only interested in a first or 2.1


Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"

Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.



You clearly have no university education and most likely have never
been inside one if you believe that.

This is all part of Bliar's big con of the public into believing that
all universities are the same and that 50% of them can go to one
without a reduction in standards.

All of these points are clear and unadulterated nonsense...



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On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:58:59 +0100, "RichardS"
wrote:



Yeah, right.

Just looked up my old Physics course (& it's not a "Snot" before you throw
that accusation). 17 years on, and they're still able to set minimum
entrance A-levels as AAB (or certain equivalents). Same with ICL, and it's
ABB at Brizzol. These courses were always over-subscribed & AFAIK they
still are. They're all top tier courses & as a result get a lot of
additional funding.

At the other end of the scale, another institution just looks for three A
Levels. Not necessarily including Maths (!).

They're all pretty much the same?



.... and this is *now* - post-lowering-of-standards, not 17 years ago.



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
raden wrote:

In message , Doctor Evil


You're an ignorant **** incapable of understanding

There's no point in debating with you, is there ?


None. like Tone, he is shameless in his self belief, utter ignorance, and
ability to think that if he can maintain a brave face in the face of
incontrovertible evidence, at least 50% of the population MUST believe in
him.

Or 36% as it now appears.


Or somewhere in the region of 36% of 60% ~= ~24% :(


All is vanity.


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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

[ I said in a precious message ]

Maxie, I see Tone got in
again with a thumping majority.
Isn't that fabulous!

Well, in your warped world a
majority slashed by (more than likely)
over a 100 seats,

66 is generally referred to as a thumping majority.

But it doesn't change the fact
that the Labour majority was cut by
almost two thirds.

That doesn't change the fact that Labour can rule without hindrance.
Heath
in 1970 had a 30 seat majority and had no trouble ruling.


No one is question the fact that they have a majority you twit, but to
try and claim that last night was some kind of great victory is just
plain stupid (to his credit even Blair seems to acknowledge that), it
was a grubbing in the extreme for Blair and his body language tell us
that he knows that the electorate has rubbed his nose well and truly
in the dirt.

A 66 majority is
very comfortable. More opposition backbenchers doesn't make a
difference,
except more farmyard noises at question time.

Yes, indeed, that is one reason why I consider the present
Parliamentary debating chamber as being out dated, it's layout is far
to confrontational, the two sides facing each other two and a half
sword lengths apart and all that...

In article , Doctor Evil wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that Labour can rule without hindrance.
Heath in 1970 had a 30 seat majority and had no trouble ruling. A
66 majority is very comfortable. More opposition backbenchers
doesn't make a difference, except more farmyard noises at question
time.

You overlook the fact that the serious opposition sits *behind* Tony
Blair - about 45 of them according to this morning's TV pundit, more
than enough to cause problems.

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that Labour can rule without
hindrance.
Heath in 1970 had a 30 seat majority and had no trouble ruling.
A
66 majority is very comfortable. More opposition backbenchers
doesn't make a difference, except more farmyard noises at question
time.

You overlook the fact that the serious opposition sits *behind* Tony
Blair - about 45 of them according to this morning's TV pundit, more
than enough to cause problems.


According to ITN / Channel 4 there know of 50 labour (current) MP's
who are declared 'Brownites' with another 45 or so who are likely to
support Brown, that sort of number is enough to force a leadership
challenge...

Tony Bryer wrote:
In article , Doctor Evil wrote:

- The strongest currency in the world


If you exclude the Australian dollar: it was more than 3 A$ to the
pound back in 2000-2001; now it's about 2.45. Back then Australians
were bemoaning the fact that one Aussie dollar had fallen so much that
it wouldn't buy 50c US: now it buys 78c.

The OZ economy as a good role model?

I think not, the latest news is that they ain't got enough people to
sustain their growth, so they want more immigrants.
So why don't we sent 'em all our unwanted "asylum seekers", chavs,
pikeys and all those Oz layabouts in Kings Cross.
Don't you just love being served by bartenders who make every sentence
sound like a question?

Al Reynolds wrote:
"Doctor Evil" wrote:

I am going to vote for Tony Blair. The economy is brilliant, interest
rates
are very low, the pound the strongest currency in the world, meaning we
can
buy cheap power tools. Children now have paid pre-school from 3 to 5. He
is tacking constitutional changes - most needed. Everything on the up and
up. Can't allow all this excellent work to be ruined by Dracula and Boris

Yes, I will vote for Tony.


As a friend of mine used to say regarding how people vote:
"What you have to remember, is that the IQ scale
was designed with 100 as the median, so 50% ....
Which of course does not follow.
Does your alleged friend know what median is?
If the curve is skewed, and imho it is, then 80% could have IQ much less
than 100, which they obviously do.

Huge wrote:
Joe writes:

RichardS wrote:




One thing New Labour seem completely unable to understand is that "you can't
buck the market". No matter what social engineering you perform, the market
will always find a way to express itself.

Law degrees do not contain anything on feedback theory. Engineers don't
go into politics.


You seem to be agreeing with what he said. Is that what you meant?



Yes. Almost all politicians treat human behaviour as open-loop, which
is pretty daft. If they try to stop you doing something you want to
do, you'll find a way around it. Very often, the way around it is worse
[from a politician's viewpoint] than the original behaviour. Fox hunters
will continue to hunt foxes, but now they'll tie up a lot of expensive
policemen as well. See also Part P.

Modify the feedback network, not the forward open-loop response.

Oops, no, if any politicians are reading this I didn't mean that...

Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

I am going to vote for Tony Blair. The economy is brilliant, interest
rates
are very low, the pound the strongest currency in the world, meaning we
can
buy cheap power tools. Children now have paid pre-school from 3 to 5. He
is tacking constitutional changes - most needed. Everything on the up and
up. Can't allow all this excellent work to be ruined by Dracula and Boris

Yes, I will vote for Tony.





Well ! I suppose that DIY and Elections are embodied
by the Labour Party's 'vote factories' where-in postal
votes have been seized by Police with the most blatant
examples of electoral fraud have been observed ...
Being run by Tories!

John Rumm wrote:
Tony Bryer wrote:

If you exclude the Australian dollar: it was more than 3 A$ to the


Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait
Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these
are worth *more* than a pound...


But those are all minor countries about which most peeps couldn't give a
toss!

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Frankly as an employer I would be
leeery of anyone who went to
university apart from the top half
dozen or so,

Talk about snotty uniness. What a dork!


So how many grads do you hire each year ?

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...
..

Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The quality in
British unis is externally monitored.


Well I certainly monitor it. Apart from Cambridge and UCL, standards have
dropped everywhere.

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
I am going to vote for Tony Blair. The economy is brilliant, interest
rates are very low, the pound the strongest currency in the world,
meaning we can buy cheap power tools. Children now have paid pre-school
from 3 to 5. He is tacking constitutional changes - most needed.
Everything on the up and up. Can't allow all this excellent work to be
ruined by Dracula and Boris

Yes, I will vote for Tony.

Given that you are the group troll, I assume you want everyone to vote
anything other than Labour?

However, I'm reading this rather late due to pressures of work and you've
failed... So nothing new, there, then.

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Joe wrote:

And the circumstances under which they'll vote to tear up their meal
tickets are....?

With a big majority a lot of no-hope candidates are surprised to find
themselves elected. They know they are likely to lose the seat next
time, but if they are loyal etc might get a safer seat the election
after next. Those who have retained their seats know full well that they
are more likely than not to be on the receding tide next time. Hanging
on will be more a matter of retaining local constituency loyalties than
supporting obeying the whips. They can't be bribed with promises of
getting on the government payroll because they are likely to be in
opposition next time. They wont go against the govmt in a vote of
confidence but individual policies are another matter.

I would have liked to have seen more LbDems but overall the result will
do: enough of a majority that only Lab can be blamed when things go
downhill over the next few years.


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OldBill wrote:
Al Reynolds wrote:

As a friend of mine used to say regarding how people vote:
"What you have to remember, is that the IQ scale
was designed with 100 as the median, so 50% ....

Which of course does not follow.
Does your alleged friend know what median is?
If the curve is skewed, and imho it is, then 80% could have IQ much less
than 100, which they obviously do.

Mean = average
median= the middle value of a ranked series
mode = the most frequntly occuring value.

so median by definition, no matter how skewed the distribution is the
value at which as many are below as are above.


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Mike wrote:
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message

Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The quality in
British unis is externally monitored.

Well I certainly monitor it. Apart from Cambridge and UCL, standards have
dropped everywhere.

I wouldn' be so sure about them either, certainly UCL.


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OldBill wrote:

Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait
Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these
are worth *more* than a pound...


But those are all minor countries about which most peeps couldn't give a
toss!

Think you might find we went to war to defend Kuwait, so I guess we gave
a toss then. What is more at least that time it was legit.


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"DJC" wrote in message
k...
Mike wrote:
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message

Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The quality in
British unis is externally monitored.

Well I certainly monitor it. Apart from Cambridge and UCL, standards
have
dropped everywhere.

I wouldn' be so sure about them either, certainly UCL.

Well I admit I only monitor (and hire) electronics/compsci type grads. But
the ones I see are moreorless a match for MIT and Stanford.

I also believe biotech from both is also world best equalling/beating.

What's more worrying is Oxford, Edinburgh and suchlike which are definitely
slipping.

On Fri, 6 May 2005 18:53:36 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:


Yes, indeed, that is one reason why I consider the present
Parliamentary debating chamber as being out dated, it's layout is far
to confrontational, the two sides facing each other two and a half
sword lengths apart and all that...


Yes, we need to get in there and do some DIY on the benches to move
them closer together.



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In message , Doctor Evil
writes

Graduates should be the cream of
society - not 50% of those leaving
school. That many graduates just
degrades the value of a degree

Maxie, now behave. We have a very high standard in the UK. This means we
are educating to very level to enter and within the degree system itself


Not when the UK churns out people like you who can't even string an
intelligible sentence together

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In message , Brian Sharrock
writes

Doctor Evil wrote:


- 40% of scholl leavers into higher education


I'd never realised that the act of acquiring
those funny clogs was a prerequiste for Higher Education.

If you read what he wrote, you'll notice he's talking about losing not
acquiring them

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In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Tony Bryer
writes
In article ,
John_ZIZinvalid wrote:
Hmm. So why is Ford, Jaguar, and Peugeot all making redundancies,
and not to forget the suppliers.

Because they cannot keep up with the firms who are exporting cars
from
the UK, principally Nissan, Honda, Toyota and BMW/Mini

All good british companies - keeping the wealth here, hooray

Only the wealth earnt by the work force stays here, profits go back to
the owning comapnies and is not nessaceraly spent in the UK.

Profits from the BMW 'mini' is helping to fund future BMW's, those
vehicles are not built or (parts) sourced in the UK, although they are
sold here in direct compatition to cars built and sourced here. The
simular things are happening with Nissan, Honda, Toyota and Peugeot.

The problem with the UK is that we are no longer a manufacturing
nation, we are an assembler of foreign owned goods...

I said it more succinctly

--
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In message , Doctor Evil
writes
Maybe mental hospitals are better

Tell us about them Maxie. Tell us the inside story.

I think that's your field of expertise

Maxie, you speak with such knowledge. Maxie, I see Tone got in again with
thumping majority. Isn't that fabulous.

You saw wrongly didn't you then

His wings have been clipped

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
This is all part of Bliar's big con of the public into believing that
all universities are the same and that 50% of them can go to one
without a reduction in standards.

Presumably the 50% will be taught by the remaining 50%.
A lecturer was telling me the other day that most of his students are
rubbish and, if they don't turn up to lessons, it's considered to be his
fault for not motivating them. And they all pass their exams because it's
in
no one's interest to fail them.
As a nation I think we should leave the clever stuff to the Chinese and
concentrate on aromatherapy.


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Mike wrote:
"DJC" wrote in message
Mike wrote:
Well I certainly monitor it. Apart from Cambridge and UCL, standards
have
dropped everywhere.
I wouldn' be so sure about them either, certainly UCL.
Well I admit I only monitor (and hire) electronics/compsci type grads. But
the ones I see are moreorless a match for MIT and Stanford.

There is a lot of variation in all depts. Certainly the best are very
good, but some I teach even at PG level really are not suited to the
academic life.


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In article ,
raden wrote:
In message , Doctor Evil
writes

6. He was shocked the other day when quite a lot of people told him
the NHS is no better than it was eight years ago, having recently
used the NHS I can say I have never previously been into such dirty
hospital in my life.

Having used it, and my family, over the past 5 years, I have have no
problems whatsoever, and the hospitals was clean. Nom lies.

Maybe mental hospitals are better

They plainly haven't helped in this case.

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 May 2005 18:53:36 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:


Yes, indeed, that is one reason why I consider the present
Parliamentary debating chamber as being out dated, it's layout is far
to confrontational, the two sides facing each other two and a half
sword lengths apart and all that...


Yes, we need to get in there and do some DIY on the benches to move
them closer together.



Watching 'debates' televised from the chamber; I've been struck
by the quality of the workmanship there. The benches are very well
proportioned and their spacing cum height is rather subtle.
If you scrutinise the members and compare their heights to the
top 'beam' of the benches you'll notice that the bench squabs
vary in height as they move away from the front benches.
The Front bench people have the squab-top at shoulder level - while
the backchenchers' squab is only about waist level - the effect is
to make them seem further apart than they actually are. I doubt
that DIYers would have bothered! Make'em all the same height - we
can't afford different jigs!

--

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"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Brian Sharrock
writes

Doctor Evil wrote:


- 40% of scholl leavers into higher education


I'd never realised that the act of acquiring
those funny clogs was a prerequiste for Higher Education.

If you read what he wrote, you'll notice he's talking about losing not
acquiring them


As Slick Willie said; 'It depends on the definition ... ' you
parsed 'leavers' as 'losers', I parsed 'leavers' as 'walk-out-of
the-shop' types ... : either way he's a stunning exemplar for
what he's (trying) to state. ;)

--

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Tony Bryer wrote:

In the last few days I've read a comparison of Honda Swindon (IIRC)
and Longbridge: roughly the same number of workers; something like
twice the production at Honda (though of course this may reflect
greater buy-in of finished assemblies).


Too many British workers done have a clue about productivity, and
management often fail to tackle this. And even when they do, results
are often poor.

I've seen:

a department where people only worked 25% of the time, the rest of the
time was spend in idle chatter

4 men employed to do construction work, with only 1 working most of the
time, 2nd one lending a hand now and then.

Some employees are useless, and a lot work at a pitiful rate.


NT

Andy Hall wrote:

On Fri, 6 May 2005 16:54:16 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


"RichardS" wrote in message
...

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...

In article , Doctor Evil wrote:

Nonsense! Greater numbers does not mean lower quality. The
quality in British unis is externally monitored.

I did a second degree as a mature PT student 1991-96. The level of
literacy and general knowledge among some of my fellow 18-21 year
old students was horribly low. They ended up with third class or
pass degrees which are probably an employment negative. Any savvy
employer who would once have asked for a degree is probably now
only interested in a first or 2.1


Yes, and somewhat ironically are more
likely to be seeking a good degree
from "a good university"

Not this tripe again. All degrees are external checked and monitored.
There is no such thing a good degree. They are all pretty well the same.




You clearly have no university education and most likely have never
been inside one if you believe that.

This is all part of Bliar's big con of the public into believing that
all universities are the same and that 50% of them can go to one
without a reduction in standards.

....and it will somehow magically make then intelligent, diligent, and
able to hold down a super high paying job.

"Come the revolution, we will all live in 600 room mansions in 6000 acre
estates"

Basically it relies on peoples inability to do maths.

And think.

Nu Labers plan is to render everyone completely stupid, and give them a
but of paper telling them how clever they are, and purge the country of
intellectuals in Maoist/stalinist tradtion, and then no one will either
want to or dare vote for anyone other than Big Bruvver Tone ever again.



All of these points are clear and unadulterated nonsense...


Never spoil politics with facts. Tone doesn't.