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In message , Doctor Evil
writes 6. He was shocked the other day when quite a lot of people told him the NHS is no better than it was eight years ago, having recently used the NHS I can say I have never previously been into such dirty hospital in my life. Having used it, and my family, over the past 5 years, I have have no problems whatsoever, and the hospitals was clean. Nom lies. Maybe mental hospitals are better -- geoff |
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"Jason Judge" wrote in message .. . "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ... I recall the last recession when there were announcements of redundancies each week - this has begun. Only at Rover. You are kidding, right? We don't count the 8000+ redundancies from anciliary services to Rover (people who will be getting no help from the government), Well Rover and the fallout. Which was no surprise. Marconi, They are always hiring and firing. Appalling place to work. No change there. the last coal field in the North East, About time too. Filthy stuff. call centres dropping like flies... The country really doesn't have an unemployment problem. What we have is a skills mismatch and areas of high and low demand. There is always a natural float. "Overall" the country does not have an unemployment problem. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4439657.stm "In the three months from December to February the government's preferred ILO measure of unemployment rose by 29,000 to 1.43 million, a rate of 4.8%." "Manufacturing jobs hit a fresh record low of 3.23 million following the loss of another 85,000 posts in the quarter to February, compared with a year ago." ""Both unemployment measures have gone up suggesting perhaps the labour market is weakening," said David Page at Investec." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4471611.stm "We look for full-year 2005 growth to slow to 2.5% with 2006 struggling to hit 2.0%. Both of these are well below Treasury forecasts of 3.25% and 2.75% respectively, which implies taxes are going to have to rise whoever wins the election." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4468059.stm "UK High Street sales unexpectedly dropped 0.1% on the month, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. Analysts had expected a rise of 0.4%." "Meanwhile, the annual growth rate fell to 2.7% in the month, its lowest level since August 2003, the ONS added. The Bank of England has identified a slowdown in consumer spending as a key risk to the health of the UK economy." "On Tuesday, the ONS reported a greater-than-expected rise in the annual rate of inflation to 1.9% in March - its highest level for nearly seven years." Doesn't sound all that perky to me. D |
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In message , Doctor Evil writes - he is not bothered if we dont like the fact that he lies to get his way, Care to tel us what lies? Or is this another make up from you? Well, it's documented that he was caught lying at school, google it if you really want to know more he claimed (hansard) that, as a teenager, he used to watch his football hero from the touchline (I can't remember his name), the problem is that he retired when TB was 4 years old. He lied about not putting up taxes (NI is, a tax) He lied about his reasons for invading Iraq He completely misrepresented the intelligence given to him about Iraq's military capabilities and he lied to cover up. The real problem I have with him, the real clincher, is that in the face of overwhelming evidence, he refuses to stand up and face the truth. Luckily, dIMMs vote won't count either way Don't forget the promise to students that they'd not impose tutition fees, nor implement topup fees. Both of which they've done. I understand he came very unstuck on that during Question Time last week. D |
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... raden wrote: In message , Doctor Evil writes - he is not bothered if we dont like the fact that he lies to get his way, Care to tel us what lies? Or is this another make up from you? Well, it's documented that he was caught lying at school, google it if you really want to know more he claimed (hansard) that, as a teenager, he used to watch his football hero from the touchline (I can't remember his name), the problem is that he retired when TB was 4 years old. He lied about not putting up taxes (NI is, a tax) He lied about his reasons for invading Iraq He completely misrepresented the intelligence given to him about Iraq's military capabilities and he lied to cover up. The real problem I have with him, the real clincher, is that in the face of overwhelming evidence, he refuses to stand up and face the truth. Luckily, dIMMs vote won't count either way Don't forget the promise to students that they'd not impose tutition fees, nor implement topup fees. Both of which they've done. I understand he came very unstuck on that during Question Time last week. About the only thing they reneged on. Now students affect Mr Average don't they. Graduates end up being amongst the top 20% of earners and to repay they have to be working and afford the repayments. No bailiffs will come marching in. Focuses the mind and prevents student taking the system for a ride and dropping out. I know far too many that dropped out and would not have if they had to re-pay. 40% of all school leavers end up in Higher education. The Tories will cap uni places making it the preserve of the rich again reinforcing class barriers. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... "In the three months from December to February the government's preferred ILO measure of unemployment rose by 29,000 to 1.43 million, a rate of 4.8%." "Manufacturing jobs hit a fresh record But the economy is strong enough to absorb them. Some may have to move to where the work is. Nothing new. Look at the big picture for God's sake. Look at 18 years of poverty and deprivation. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... It means I can see what we Have now and what we had for 18 years with the amateurs. Thankyou, you have just proved me right, with your dismissive reply. As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) - The strongest currency in the world - The longest sustained economic growth in history. - All major services have high investment - More school leavers into higher education than ever before - Much needed constitutional change - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education - pre-scholl for 3 -5 year olds etc etc Get your head out of your bum and look around. Anyone who doesn't vote Labour needs professional attention. you happily forget that Labour was no better before the 18 year government of Thatcher/Major. Nonsense!!!!! Employment was fine, the economy was fine, etc, etc. FACT!!! Each time Labour has taken office it has inherited an economic mess!!!!!! Each time Labour left office the economy was in good shape!!!!! Yes, just look at some history, recent and not too recent. The Tories are obsessed at keeping an privileged class intact. Their main aim. who I decide to vote for is of non of your concern, As you are unaware of the major issues and recent political history it is best you look at the points I highlighted for you above. Just go out and vote New Labour. To steal a Tory party propaganda slogan, but this time it is reality, "You have never had it so good". _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 May 2005 10:08:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil" wrote: I am going to vote for Tony Blair. You're allowed? We all must. The economy is brilliant, Watch what happens if TB & GB are re-elected. We did for the past 8 years and the resulst are burillinat: - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) - The strongest currency in the world - The longest sustained economic growth in history. - All major services have high investment - More school leavers into higher education than ever before - Much needed constitutional change etc etc interest rates are very low, in terms of the world stage, no. Stop making things up. the pound the strongest currency in the world, This is an advantage? Proves the strength of the economy. meaning we can buy cheap power tools. You might want to buy imported products on price...... Children now have paid pre-school from 3 to 5. He is tacking constitutional changes - most needed. It isn't - purely a distraction. It is needed BIG TIME!!!! Find out how the UK is run. Everything on the up and up. Apart from the erstwhile administration Is that wit? Yes, I will vote for Tony. There was a trainspotter type on Radio 4 this evening just before the 6 o'clock talking about land tax. Was it you by any chance? I don't like trains. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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"John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... It means I can see what we Have now and what we had for 18 years with the amateurs. Thankyou, you have just proved me right, with your dismissive reply. As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) - The strongest currency in the world Why is this good if our manufacturing is in decline? Our exports cost too much compared to cheaper goods, so we end up screwing up our balance of trade (more money leaving the country than comes in). - The longest sustained economic growth in history. - All major services have high investment - More school leavers into higher education than ever before Is this a good thing? Graduate employment continues to decline whilst the salary at which students have to pay back their loans (which aren't small) has reduced. Previously when Labour came into power graduates had to earn 85% of the national average (85% of £25k). If they earned £21.3k they could defer for a year (and so on until their salary reached 85%). Now the limit has dropped to just £15k (60% national average). Consequently, even the low paid jobs (ie. non-graduate jobs) are enough to require repayment of the loan. A direct example is my wife - a nurse who will probably never have to repay her student loan because her salary is so poor and will probably continue to be poor. She's under the old (Tory) system. If she was under the new Labour system, she'd be repaying £200 per month for her loan, which is about 20% of her salary! No wonder the number of nurses who after qualification stay with the NHS is at an all time low. At least before Labour came along, retention was higher (although fewer trained). - Much needed constitutional change - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Plus - once people come out of Uni, they have high debts, which means they cannot afford to become a low paid apprentice in plumbing etc - whereas if they'd not done their degree they may have been able to do that, spend those 3/4 years learning a trade, and once qualified, earning very good money AND be debt free! D |
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Now students affect Mr Average don't they. Graduates end up being amongst the top 20% of earners and to repay they have to be working and afford the repayments. Graduates have ended up in this fortunate position because demand equals or exceeds supply. If you increase the supply substantially this is unlikely to remain true. Skilled tradesmen are more likely to end up in the top 20% in the future - look at what T5 electricians earn. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
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- The strongest currency in the world If you exclude the Australian dollar: it was more than 3 A$ to the pound back in 2000-2001; now it's about 2.45. Back then Australians were bemoaning the fact that one Aussie dollar had fallen so much that it wouldn't buy 50c US: now it buys 78c. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
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"David Hearn" wrote in message ... raden wrote: In message , Doctor Evil writes - he is not bothered if we dont like the fact that he lies to get his way, Care to tel us what lies? Or is this another make up from you? Well, it's documented that he was caught lying at school, google it if you really want to know more he claimed (hansard) that, as a teenager, he used to watch his football hero from the touchline (I can't remember his name), the problem is that he retired when TB was 4 years old. He lied about not putting up taxes (NI is, a tax) He lied about his reasons for invading Iraq He completely misrepresented the intelligence given to him about Iraq's military capabilities and he lied to cover up. The real problem I have with him, the real clincher, is that in the face of overwhelming evidence, he refuses to stand up and face the truth. Luckily, dIMMs vote won't count either way Don't forget the promise to students that they'd not impose tutition fees, nor implement topup fees. Both of which they've done. I understand he came very unstuck on that during Question Time last week. About the only thing they reneged on. Now students affect Mr Average don't they. Graduates end up being amongst the top 20% of earners and to repay they have to be working and afford the repayments. Erm two things - graduate employment has been falling. More and more graduates are not being employed in graduate positions due to too many graduates and not enough jobs. This means that graduates being top 20% of earners may be the case now (ie. for those who graduated 20 years ago) - but isn't likely to be the case for current graduates. Many graduates are employed in non-graduate positions, and consequently have non-graduate salaries. This isn't helped by the increase in non-vocational/science/technology degrees. Secondly - Labour have dramatically changed how the student loan system works - resulting in those graduates who can only get into low paid jobs still having to repay their loans (and unable to defer payment). Previously when Labour came into power graduates had to earn 85% of the national average (85% of £25k). If they earned £21.3k they could defer for a year (and so on until their salary reached 85%). Now the limit has dropped to just £15k (60% national average). Consequently, even the low paid jobs (ie. non-graduate jobs) are enough to require repayment of the loan. If you earn £7.69 per hour (37.5 per week), you have to repay your loan. Previously this was £10.90 per hour. D |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:58:19 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote: As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) It did. Insurance premiums increased, British insurance companies also insure in America, a few companies made redundancies to compensate for the higher premiums. British manufacturing lost orders all over the world shortly afterwards and have never recovered. Avaition companies all made redundancies. - The strongest currency in the world British companies are finding it difficult to sell aboard due to the high value of the pound when compared to other currencies. Therefore no money coming back into country. - The longest sustained economic growth in history. What economic growth. Everbody is making redundancies. Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. Just because you don't see it on the news does not mean to say it is not happening. - All major services have high investment Which means everybody is being taxed harder, therefore have less money to live on. More civil servants than ever, all pushing paper around a desk, and achieving nothing, hence the reason why they are making 40,000 of them redundant. - More school leavers into higher education than ever before and on to the dole afterwards as nobody wants them, or they take low payed jobs. Seen many graduate plumbers and builders lately. Graduate debt is around £20K, which an awful lot before they start to buy a house, and a typical morgage can be 7.5 time higher than the average annual earnings, 20 years ago it was around 3.5 times. - Much needed constitutional change Four governments, European, Westminster, Scottish/Welsh and Local. All cost money via taxes, and achieves nothing. - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education No builders, plumbers, electricians, engineers, or semi skilled, therefore various companies are getting migrants to do the work, and we have nearly 2 million officially unemployed. How many are not claiming Job Seekers allowance, I have no idea, but I bet it will push the number of unemployed way above 2 million, and you pay for that through your taxes. - pre-scholl for 3 -5 year olds Nothing new, they used called infant schooling. Get your head out of your bum and look around. Anyone who doesn't vote Labour needs professional attention. you happily forget that Labour was no better before the 18 year government of Thatcher/Major. Nonsense!!!!! Employment was fine, the economy was fine, etc, etc. FACT!!! Not a fact. Three day week, no electricity, oil prices were high and companies closing all over the place due to this. Each time Labour has taken office it has inherited an economic mess!!!!!! An economic mess started under Wilson. Each time Labour left office the economy was in good shape!!!!! The ecomnomy has been in decline since the early 1960's. Yes, just look at some history, recent and not too recent. I have and everything has been in constant decline in the UK since the early 1960's. We were the world leaders for engineering and technology before, and now we don't build anything. The Tories are obsessed at keeping an privileged class intact. Their main aim. Thats what all governments do. who I decide to vote for is of non of your concern, As you are unaware of the major issues and recent political history it is best you look at the points I highlighted for you above. Just go out and vote New Labour. To steal a Tory party propaganda slogan, but this time it is reality, "You have never had it so good". Labour by name, but not by nature. The battles of the old Labour movement have long since gone, so therefore Blair must a Tory, hence the reason why people cannot tell the difference between what Blair is saying and what Howard is saying. J |
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John_ZIZinvalid wrote: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. "Nobody" ? "THE number of cars produced for export reached record levels last year according to official figures. But with the number of vehicles made for the home market dipping more than 9%, total UK car production in 2004 fell a fraction short of the 2003 total. Cars made for export totalled 1,179,753 last year - 3.1% up on the 2003 figure, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ca...8_car_makers_h it_export_record.html -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, etc. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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- 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. Simple bell curve stats will tell you that if you are now going to coerce 40% of "school leavers" into academic HE, then you have some fundamental incompatibilities to deal with. You either devalue the qualification to make it easier, or create countless places for questionable degrees like "media studies". The alternative is, you just frustrate a good proportion of the entrants who have neither the aptitude (and more importantly, the attitude) required to benefit from HE. There was a time that when you recruited a new graduate then you knew you were choosing from the brightest 5% of the population, and that even though a candidate may lack experience, they will at least have a high level of basic learning, and more importantly, know how to acquire further knowledge and skills quickly. You could also take it for granted they would have reasonably advanced literacy skills. This NL obsession with getting unsuited people into HE, benefits neither them, the HE institutions, or prospective employers. The only "winners" are the people who like to parrot meaningless stats without the mental capacity to understand the implications of the numbers they seek to champion - "Media Studies" graduates no doubt. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Doctor Evil wrote: "John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... It means I can see what we Have now and what we had for 18 years with the amateurs. Thankyou, you have just proved me right, with your dismissive reply. As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) - The strongest currency in the world - The longest sustained economic growth in history. - All major services have high investment - More school leavers into higher education than ever before - Much needed constitutional change - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education - pre-scholl for 3 -5 year olds etc etc Get your head out of your bum and look around. Anyone who doesn't vote Labour needs professional attention. you happily forget that Labour was no better before the 18 year government of Thatcher/Major. Nonsense!!!!! Employment was fine, the economy was fine, etc, etc. FACT!!! Each time Labour has taken office it has inherited an economic mess!!!!!! Each time Labour left office the economy was in good shape!!!!! Yes, just look at some history, recent and not too recent. The Tories are obsessed at keeping an privileged class intact. Their main aim. And Labour ministers will continue to send their children to private schools whilst condemning the rest of us to sink schools in the state sector having abolished the assisted places scheme, all but abolished Grammar schools and dumbed down the education that's available in the rest of them. The day when Labour practice what they preach is the day I might just take them seriously. MBQ |
Tony Bryer wrote:
If you exclude the Australian dollar: it was more than 3 A$ to the Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these are worth *more* than a pound... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote: Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these are worth *more* than a pound... WADR you missed the point: in the last 3-4 years the A$ has strengthened by about 20% v. sterling and nearer 50% v. US$, thus making the claim that we have the strongest currency in the world somewhat doubtful at best. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
On Thu, 05 May 2005 12:15:10 +0100, Tony Bryer
wrote: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. "Nobody" ? "THE number of cars produced for export reached record levels last year according to official figures. But with the number of vehicles made for the home market dipping more than 9%, total UK car production in 2004 fell a fraction short of the 2003 total. Cars made for export totalled 1,179,753 last year - 3.1% up on the 2003 figure, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." Hmm. So why is Ford, Jaguar, and Peugeot all making redundancies, and not to forget the suppliers. J |
"John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) It did. IT DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - The strongest currency in the world British companies are finding it difficult to sell aboard due to the high value of the pound when compared to other currencies. Then they get their product quality better. That is what the Germans did when the mark was supreme. - The longest sustained economic growth in history. What economic growth. snip misinformed babble - All major services have high investment Which means everybody is being taxed harder, Least taxed country in the EU. Stop making things up. - More school leavers into higher education than ever before and on to the dole snip misinformed babble - Much needed constitutional change Four governments, European, Westminster, Scottish/Welsh and Local. All cost money via taxes, and achieves nothing. Blair;air introduced constitutional change. - 40% of school leavers into higher education No builders, plumbers, electricians, engineers, So, this one thinks we should not have a highly educated population. What to be a plumber? Enough course around for you. - pre-scholl for 3 -5 year olds Nothing new, they used called infant schooling. Nonsense!!! Get your head out of your bum and look around. Anyone who doesn't vote Labour needs professional attention. you happily forget that Labour was no better before the 18 year government of Thatcher/Major. Nonsense!!!!! Employment was fine, the economy was fine, etc, etc. FACT!!! Not a fact. Yes FACT!!!!! Three day week, For 5 years? Get real!! Get your head out of your bum. no electricity, That was in 1973. oil prices were high and companies closing all over the place due to this. 1973. Each time Labour has taken office it has inherited an economic mess!!!!!! An economic mess started under Wilson. Nonsense!!!! he put it right by getting rid of ridiculous military spending. Wilson advanced higher education. Only for him we would be like Portugal. Each time Labour left office the economy was in good shape!!!!! The ecomnomy has been in decline since the early 1960's. I repeat: Each time Labour left office the economy was in good shape!!!!! Yes, just look at some history, recent and not too recent. I have and everything has been in constant decline in the UK since the early 1960's. Nonsense!!! We were the world leaders for engineering and technology before, and now we don't build anything. Nonsense! Even the Spitfire engine was built on US machine tools. In WW2, British industry was so outdated we could not produce enough products because of antiquated factories. The US supplied 1/3 of everything we used. The UK hand built RR Merlin engines, the US built them under licence and automated the process turning them out like wildfire. The Tories are obsessed at keeping a privileged class intact. Their main aim. Thats what all governments do. The Tories "main aim" is to do that. Only the misinformed, ignorant or sycophants vote for them. They keep the UK back. who I decide to vote for is of non of your concern, As you are unaware of the major issues and recent political history it is best you look at the points I highlighted for you above. Just go out and vote New Labour. To steal a Tory party propaganda slogan, but this time it is reality, "You have never had it so good". Labour by name, but not by nature. The battles of the old Labour movement have long since gone, so therefore Blair must a Tory, NONSENSE!!! Blair does believe in a meritocracy, not keeping a privileged class intact - the Tories main aim (public schools Oxbridge crap running the prime jobs in the country). hence the reason why people cannot tell the difference between what Blair is saying and what Howard is saying. Howard kept saying lair, and could not point to a lie. Ask him about the future and he kept saying liar. They were totally negative with NOTHING to offer, and should be drubbed and replaced by the LibDems. See who funs the Labour party, much large business and very wealthy business men and also small individuals. The Tories get large amounts for "landowners". Says it all. Anyone who say Labour have not done a great job in 8 years is a NUT!!!! _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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John_ZIZinvalid wrote: Hmm. So why is Ford, Jaguar, and Peugeot all making redundancies, and not to forget the suppliers. Because they cannot keep up with the firms who are exporting cars from the UK, principally Nissan, Honda, Toyota and BMW/Mini -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.10 released 4 April 2005] |
"David Hearn" wrote in message ... Doctor Evil wrote: "John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... It means I can see what we Have now and what we had for 18 years with the amateurs. Thankyou, you have just proved me right, with your dismissive reply. As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) - The strongest currency in the world Why is this good if our manufacturing is in decline? Are you mad? So being poor is the way. Duh! Never thought of that. - The longest sustained economic growth in history. - All major services have high investment - More school leavers into higher education than ever before Is this a good thing? Yes. - Much needed constitutional change - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. A highly educated population is the way for the country overall. No one points a gun at your head and says "go you uni". _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 May 2005 12:15:10 +0100, Tony Bryer wrote: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. "Nobody" ? "THE number of cars produced for export reached record levels last year according to official figures. But with the number of vehicles made for the home market dipping more than 9%, total UK car production in 2004 fell a fraction short of the 2003 total. Cars made for export totalled 1,179,753 last year - 3.1% up on the 2003 figure, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." Hmm. So why is Ford, Jaguar, and Peugeot all making redundancies, and not to forget the suppliers. That wasn't the point which was: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. Which is ********. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Doctor Evil wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, etc. The current 'success' of both Japan and Germany is, at the very least, soemwhat open to debate at the moment. -- Chris Green |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Tony Bryer wrote: In article , John Rumm wrote: Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these are worth *more* than a pound... WADR you missed the point: in the last 3-4 years the A$ has strengthened by about 20% v. sterling and nearer 50% v. US$, thus making the claim that we have the strongest currency in the world somewhat doubtful at best. Tis OK, I understood what you ment. You are not very bright are you? _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Tony Bryer wrote:
In article , John Rumm wrote: Might as well exclude the Cyprus Pound, the Barain Dinar, the Kuwait Dinar, the Malta Liri, and the Omani Rial as well, since all of these are worth *more* than a pound... WADR you missed the point: in the last 3-4 years the A$ has strengthened by about 20% v. sterling and nearer 50% v. US$, thus making the claim that we have the strongest currency in the world somewhat doubtful at best. Tis OK, I understood what you ment. I susspected that drivel was looking at it from the simpler perspective of exchange rates, so thought I may as well point out that even looking from that angle he was still as wrong as usual ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
wrote in message ... Doctor Evil wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, etc. The current 'success' of both Japan and Germany is, at the very least, soemwhat open to debate at the moment. The long term success of these countries was underpinned by high education. I wouldn't say either are poor and underperforming. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Huge wrote:
The claim is meaningless. Strongest against what? Measured how? Besides, it is virtually impossible to buck the markets. If investors think a currency is a good investment, its value will rise, and there is little or nothing that Governments can do about it, other than whinge. Well if they were really dumb they could sell gold by the yard and plough it into euros to try to prop it up... Oops, got a feeling someone did that a while back, now who was it? Oh yes, prudence himself. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Evil writes 6. He was shocked the other day when quite a lot of people told him the NHS is no better than it was eight years ago, having recently used the NHS I can say I have never previously been into such dirty hospital in my life. Having used it, and my family, over the past 5 years, I have have no problems whatsoever, and the hospitals was clean. Nom lies. Maybe mental hospitals are better Tell us about them Maxie. Tell us the inside story. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Evil writes You are kidding, right? We don't count the 8000+ redundancies from anciliary services to Rover (people who will be getting no help from the government), Well Rover and the fallout. Which was no surprise. So you're saying that TB saw this coming and did nothing about it ? Everyone else it coming. BTW, the government did put some money before the problem. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Evil writes - he is not bothered if we dont like the fact that he lies to get his way, Care to tel us what lies? Or is this another make up from you? Well, it's documented that he was caught lying at school, Maxie, that was because of the 1950s/60s Tory education policy. He completely misrepresented the intelligence given to him about Iraq's military capabilities and he lied to cover up. No misrepresentation or lies Maxie. Appalling to say. Appalling. Maxie, watch yourself, children might be reading. The real problem I have with him, the real clincher, is that in the face of overwhelming evidence, he refuses to stand up and face the truth. Maxie, the truth is out there. It is out there. Have you found it yet? Luckily, dIMMs vote won't count either way Maxie, Can Dim Lin, the oriental enchantress, vote here? _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Richard Faulkner writes In message , Doctor Evil writes The economy is brilliant, I think you will find that it may not be as good as it seems - I am convinced that the figures are spun to make it seem good. I recall the last recession when there were announcements of redundancies each week - this has begun. I have noticed that Tony has actually started saying "If you dont like me, or what I have done.... dont vote for me". How arrogant is that - he is not bothered if we dont like the fact that he lies to get his way, nor that he does not maintain his manifesto promises - go figure!! http://www.dumpblair.co.uk/btactical.html Hey Maxie. The Tories are really scraping the barrel on that web site. Pathetic isn't it? BTW, do you realise that we were obliged to go to war at Bush's calling (if this is to be believed) I didn't believe it Maxie. I hope you never. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, Nobody said we shouldn't have an educated population. He was saying we don't achieve the best results by forcing everyone into the universities (more or less the only HEI's available now). There's more to education than "snotty uni's" (one of your exprressions I believe), or at least there should be, which is what he is saying. We are already in the situation where graduate supply exceeds demand (in some areas) and where higher education IS becoming devalued.. Universities should be elitist, an elitism based on the likely degree a graduate will get, not on their ability to pay or what school they went to (or snottyness), and we should bring back Polytechnics and technical colleges, the output of which, in the past, has been what has fuelled industry and the country's prosperity, to operate alongside them. -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
Bob Mannix wrote:
Nobody said we shouldn't have an educated population. He was saying we don't achieve the best results by forcing everyone into the universities (more or Universities should be elitist, an elitism based on the likely degree a graduate will get, not on their ability to pay or what school they went to Well said that man! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Doctor Evil wrote:
http://www.dumpblair.co.uk/btactical.html Hey Maxie. The Tories are really scraping the barrel on that web site. Pathetic isn't it? You do realise it is a pro labour site and not a Tory one though? No thought not... go read it again - see why your comrades are so keen to dump the embarrassment that purports to head the party. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:50:56 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. "Nobody" ? "THE number of cars produced for export reached record levels last year according to official figures. But with the number of vehicles made for the home market dipping more than 9%, total UK car production in 2004 fell a fraction short of the 2003 total. Cars made for export totalled 1,179,753 last year - 3.1% up on the 2003 figure, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." Hmm. So why is Ford, Jaguar, and Peugeot all making redundancies, and not to forget the suppliers. That wasn't the point which was: Nobody can sell abroad due to the high value of the pound. I doubt it, all mentioned companies are constantly reviewing there present status in this country, and only have factories in this country due to a great deal of financial grants from the British Government over many years. Now the EU has made it illegal to provide such help, it be interesting to see how long they last without closing the production lines and moving everything to Hungary, Poland and so on. Cheap labour, and less Tax means big profits. Many British companies have already done this, and by the way the big German car companies have already started to reduce the wage bill, and also asking staff to increase the hours of work. They have already started to look at the eastern Europe to produce cars, and reduce costs. Which is ********. You are loosing your argument and have now started to use crude words and insults, which is a result of the low quality education you had, most likely under Blair. J |
David Hearn wrote:
Doctor Evil wrote: A direct example is my wife - a nurse who will probably never have to repay her student loan because her salary is so poor and will probably continue to be poor. She's under the old (Tory) system. If she was under the new Labour system, she'd be repaying =A3200 per month for her loan, which is about 20% of her salary! I should think so too! On what planet is it right that if she earns 1k a month WE should pay for all her costs? And what on earth has 1k/mo got to do with being poor? Talk about getting real. No wonder the number of nurses who after qualification stay with the NHS is at an all time low. At least before Labour came along, retention was higher (although fewer trained). - Much needed constitutional change - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. It doesnt imply that, in fact it means the exact opposite, tradespeople's work will be worth MORE if there are less of us/them. Plus - once people come out of Uni, they have high debts, which means they cannot afford to become a low paid apprentice in plumbing etc - whereas if they'd not done their degree they may have been able to do that, spend those 3/4 years learning a trade, and once qualified, earning very good money AND be debt free! its a free world, they can choose whichever path they like. I dont see how its bad to give them the choice of HE. The big problem with so many going into HE is that degrees will become junk grade, what is needed is not to change the standard of degree, but to introduce new qualifications suited to those medium performers now going to unis. NT |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:58:19 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote: "John_ZIZinvalid" wrote in message .. . It means I can see what we Have now and what we had for 18 years with the amateurs. Thankyou, you have just proved me right, with your dismissive reply. As you are somebody who bases there opinions on history, Very recent history. I also base it on results which are superb. I also base it on what the parties stand for and uphold too. - The strongest economy in the western world (9/11 made no difference to the - UK economy, while most of the western world went into recession) Wait to see what happens if Brown is re-elected. - The strongest currency in the world There is not much value in this. - The longest sustained economic growth in history. which is not as a result of any form of sound management and which is about to come to an end because the government has been sandbagging it artificially. - All major services have high investment Some major *public* services. Public sector employment has seen a net increase over the last few years and that is always an indicator of impending downfall. - More school leavers into higher education than ever before By reducing standards to achieve the numbers. - Much needed constitutional change Not needed at all and irrelevant. - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education As above - pre-scholl for 3 -5 year olds etc etc Get your head out of your bum and look around. Anyone who doesn't vote Labour needs professional attention. Dear dear. Do you have your own brand of Koolade? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:21:47 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, etc. Education that is appropriate for the individual - not a one size fits all with pass rates fiddled to achieve statistics. The assumption has been the higher education equates to academia and that therefore the standards should be adjusted to achieve the numbers there. the concept is bogus. Some people are simply not suited to it. It doesn't serve them or the national interest. Education should be to a high standard but in a range appropriate for the individual - not dogmatic nonsense. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Thu, 5 May 2005 16:52:46 +0100, "Bob Mannix"
wrote: "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... "John Rumm" wrote in message ... David Hearn wrote: - 40% of scholl leavers into higher education Swam away from the other fishies I suppose ;-) Higher Education isn't always the best thing for some people. We've a dire need for more plumbers and other trades - however, we seem to be encouraging everyone to get degrees etc - implying that manual trades aren't worth anything. Not only that, but you devalue higher education for all. What tripe! People saying we should not have an educated population. Countries with very high education standards always succeed: Japan, Germany, Nobody said we shouldn't have an educated population. He was saying we don't achieve the best results by forcing everyone into the universities (more or less the only HEI's available now). There's more to education than "snotty uni's" (one of your exprressions I believe), or at least there should be, which is what he is saying. We are already in the situation where graduate supply exceeds demand (in some areas) and where higher education IS becoming devalued.. Universities should be elitist, an elitism based on the likely degree a graduate will get, not on their ability to pay or what school they went to (or snottyness), and we should bring back Polytechnics and technical colleges, the output of which, in the past, has been what has fuelled industry and the country's prosperity, to operate alongside them. Exactly, and having the same perceived value but different in nature. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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