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(First a story, mainly ranting and letting off steam, then there's a
question at the end) Just bought a pair of Pump Ball Valves (screwfix id 13885) and a Pegler Terrier Circulating Pump - TC5 (screwfix id 67174) to replace an ageing and noisy central heating pump. Didn't intend to use the Ball Valves - rather hoping to re-use the originals, and isolate the pump with those for a 10 minute replacement job, bought them simply to bugger up Murphy's law and use as back-up, well, they were cheap. Four Hours; Four Sodding Hours. That's how long to try to remove old pump, go out to B&Q with nut off new valve to get big-chuffing-spanner, then to Wickes, then Machine Mart, then finally to a pretty testosterone-pumping real tool shop. All to no avail, cannot get anything of fixed size to fit the 40-something mm across-flats nut on the ball valve. Did get an eye-catching 32mm open ended spanner (that's good for the 22mm side of the valve, also, causes any number of yobs on street corner to pass on to the other side of the road - hey, it's a Big Spanner), and a rather more robust adjustable wrench for the Big Nut. "Job's a good-un", I thought. Thirty minutes later, with the best (and newest) tools to hand, could I shift the Big Nuts on the original Ball Valves attached to pipework and original pump?, could I buggery. We're talking full-arm-shaking-pipe-rattling force here, of a 30-something 6 foot male. Could remove the compression fittings onto the 22mm pipework (Big Spanner to the rescue), but no play in pipework to allow the pipes to be removed from Ball Valves, and still no hope in hell of removing the Big Nuts from the Ball Valves to slip the old pump out (previous problem with a leak from a 3-port-valve did, I think, cause a lot of the problems resulting in corrosion between Ball Valve and Big Nut). Finally, undid both compression nuts (top and bottom Ball Valve - pump's aligned vertically) and hack-sawed through one of the compression fittings to allow all components to slide off the existing, non-moveable pipework. That's when the real fun started... Having now had to drain the system to get the original ball valves off the pipework / pump, and replaced with the screwfix ones I try to mate the pump, and tighten Big Nuts. Nuts (or ********, if you prefer) - would they thread onto the pump?, have a guess. Had to remove one of the Ball Valves to prove to myself that the threads were compatible - they were. The problem seems to be that the Big Nut will only sit properly, and flush, once it is fully in place past the valve actuator on the Ball-Valve, that is, in its final position. Problem - if there's (for example) a pump already in place between two of these Ball Valves, tight fit and all with non-malleable pipework, then you cannot easily (more later) offer the Big Nut upto the thread on the pump housing without risking cross-threading the nut. Looking at the mangled remains of the old pump it appears the original installation suffered much of the same problems (with apparent cross-threading on one of the Ball Valves). Examining the Ball Valves (I did a lot of this between cursing and screaming) its quite obvious that there is a design flaw that prevents the nut seating properly unless it can move freely to the end of its travel, something not possible with a pump / thread in its way. In the end, I had to resort to a combination of straining the pipework (bound to fail, now, expecting leaks by the morning) and forcing the nut onto the thread of the pump using a strong pair of hefty pliars. In the end, a 10 minute job took me 4 hrs. SO The question is... for someone with experience of plumbing and central heating... Just what is the trick of the trade to mating the Ball Valves to the pump bodies?, I imagine with play in the pipework it would be fairly straight-forward, but for existing installations, with no such play, how do the Pro's handle this? -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3057 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! |
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