"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Watch my lips. They're not used for
mainstream TV. And never will be.

............his memory is distrorted by memories
of cabers....I told him that they "were" used for
news....this did not sink in...maybe one of the
cabers hit him on the bonce....

.........he gives us some wisdom.......

Many things 'were' once used.

.......he is so right many were.....he goes on about Super 8 after putting
his cabering axe down..........

You insinuated it was capable
of meeting broadcast specs.

.....of which it is......he is still on about his lips......

Watch my lips. It never was
and never will be.

.........cabering has left its mark......as it was and still is...




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Super-8 is still better quality than
video. Much as people in the
professional video industry try to deny this,

....after straightening his tam-o-shanter he spurts forth......

Does this give you a clue ?

.....oh I like quizzes....

Given that TV is run these days
by profit motivation and little else, the
fact that a super 8 camera costs a
fraction of a broadcast electronic
cameras and recorder

...........the tammy is too tight on his head that is for sure.....no new
super 8 cameras are made any more....Beaulieu may make one pro
model......and you can wear a tammy using it.....most use reconned
cameras....even with tammies......




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You insinuated it was capable
of meeting broadcast specs.

....of which it is.

Ok then - black is white.

Pray send me your CV of your career in broadcasting. Or any evidence of
Super 8 being used for any broadcast use - other than amateur news clips
many many years ago.

No? So there's a surprise.

Perhaps when you're old enough you should try for a career in broadcasting.
I'd love to have you on my crew. Your feet wouldn't touch the ground...

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no new
super 8 cameras are made any more....Beaulieu may make one pro
model......and you can wear a tammy using it.....most use reconned
cameras.

Are they the same as use PPPro tools on building sites?

'Cause anyone turning up for a broadcast shoot with a super eight camera
would be assisted straight to the loony bin.

Is that where you first talked to your 'pro' pal?

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raden wrote:
Perhaps you'd ask your cameraman pal what programmes he made shot on
Super 8mm film. Then everyone else can judge if your point is valid.

Captain Pugwash ?

Heh heh - that was actually made in a
normal studio using electronic
cameras pointed at caption stands.
With Wurmser making the semi-animated
captions. A lost art these days of
computer animation.

...after a days cabering he did relax
...he just sat down and hung his axe
...he thought and thought without a brake
...until he had lots of brainache
...a plaster he put upon his swede
...the brainache demanded this basic need
...with no cabers to toss he was at a loss

...the doctor decided the perfect cure
...no cabers, no tam-o-shanters there is more
...he pleaded and pleaded to the quack
...until he gave him tammy back
...about cabes he did hanker
...the doctor said you are a ******

...the quack said you give me brainache too
...I'll toss a caber right at you
...the caber hit him on the bonce
...it knocked him down all at once
...the quacks cabers tossing was a perfect hit
...that is why he continually babbles ****



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Doctor Evil wrote:

You insinuated it was capable
of meeting broadcast specs.

....of which it is.

.......he now is into dinining colour.....have cabers affected him so
much?....read on...

Ok then - black is white.

.....yes he said black is white...yes he did....he storms on....

I'd love to have you on my crew.
Your feet wouldn't touch the ground...

.....On the good ship Plowman they all did sail
.....he was the skipper to no avail
.....he sent the crew atop the mast
.....until he spouted to them at last
.....I'll keele are ye, I will be jabers
.....so cut the masts and make em into cabers

.....because of cabers the ship did wreck
.....I have my cabers said cap'n, so what the heck
.... the breaking of law the police did pursue
.....cap'n Plowman was dragged into public view
.....the judge said you motley fool
.....that's why he is the newsgroup tool



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Doctor Evil wrote:

Super 8 film has "very" good resolution, and when flying spotted and put
on DVD should be pristine.


What a ******. Stick to quoting websites.

Hint. 16mm film struggles to make decent TV resolution.

That's the old version of the vinyl/CD argument. There's no doubt that 16mm film
is capable of resolution far exceeding PAL requirements. I've lost count of the
times people have told me this, and I've seen film shot, developed and displayed
via projector that shows excellent resolution of test charts.

So why does it always look soft and muddy on TV?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Doctor Evil wrote:

A friend worked for the BBC, and others, as a cameraman, and would
occassionally use Super 8 for broadcast work.


That would be the same as all your 'trades' friends using PPPro tools?

In the days before domestic electronic cameras were available - and
really
before colour - 35mm B&W film was the norm for quality stuff made for
TV.
News, etc, used 16 mm.

With the advent of colour, colour 35mm stock was deemed just to
expensive
for most in the UK - although the US continued to use it. So 16 mm
became
the norm - later super 16mm which got a larger image onto the same sized
film. However, as electronic cameras and recording systems became
better,
the use of film of any type has decreased.

*If* 8mm was ever used, it would have been for something where a
small -
or likely disposable - camera was *essential* as the quality can't and
never did - meet the specs required *by law* then for broadcasting
equipment.

TV News in the 1970s had an 8mm (Nizo?)

Yes, the Braun Nixo Professional with 25 fpm for direct film to PAL video.
Beaulieu and a number of others, Nikon and the likes had 25 fpm too. You
could get 13 minute silent only Super 8 film cartridges.

and one of those dinky little Nagras
with 1/8 inch tape and hand rewind.
Yes, it was for use where a 16BL and Nagra 4
or E would have been a bit conspicuous.

In the USA and far east Super 8 was used for local news gathering. It was
very cheap at the time and gave broadcast quality piccies.



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snip IMM crap

Oh FFS you total moron, Super 8 has never been used in main stream
broadcast, the only exception being news / CA were, as Dave says,
there is no other footage available (the classic example being the
Shooting of President Kennedy) or programmes that are based around old
home movies - both are rare events.

Now, your 'friend' might have been talking about Hi8 *video* (also
known by some as Super 8mm, it's method of signal handling / recording
being related to the larger 1/2 inch tape format S-[uper] VHS), that
format was AIUI used on the odd occasions when a very small camera was
required but again it's use was very rare and used mainly within news
/ CA, it's use was short lived as small DV cameras came along (such
as the Sony PD150).

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
no new
super 8 cameras are made any more....Beaulieu may make one pro
model......and you can wear a tammy using it.....most use reconned
cameras.

Are they the same as use PPPro tools on building sites?

'Cause anyone turning up for a broadcast shoot with a super eight
camera
would be assisted straight to the loony bin.

Is that before they all **** themselves laughing or after ? :~)

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:

Super 8 film has "very" good resolution, and when flying spotted and put
on DVD should be pristine.


What a ******. Stick to quoting websites.

Hint. 16mm film struggles to make decent TV resolution.

That's the old version of the vinyl/CD argument. There's no doubt that
16mm film
is capable of resolution far exceeding PAL requirements. I've lost count
of the
times people have told me this, and I've seen film shot, developed and
displayed
via projector that shows excellent resolution of test charts.

So why does it always look soft and muddy on TV?

Richard Attenbourgh did his 1950s wildlife TV series on 16mm, which in those
days they called bootlace.

Many TV companies deliberately reduce the quality of "amateur" footage. A
means of keeping a closed shop and a differential between them and amateurs.
The fact was that amateur kit and film stock had caught up but they wouldn't
accept it because some people took this kit on hols. No one took a shoulder
mounted Arriflex on hols. Imagine if they turned up with a camera that your
dad uses at Xmas? All image nothing else.

The most sophisticated film cameras ever made were Super 8 cameras like the
Bauer, which you could do in-camera fades and dissolves. Microprocessor
control even 25 years ago.

The Super 8 cameras led the way and the pro cameras adopted some of the
features. For about 4 years Super 8 cameras became very sophisticated
attempting top keep video at bay. That is why today you can buy some
brilliant Super 8 kit that is over 20 years old and still like brand new.
It wasn't used much as amateurs went over to video quite quickly. Tons of
the stuff must still be in cupboards all over the world.

Serious film makers stuck to Super 8 and still do. Google the web and even
today some serious films are made on Super 8, mainly films that require a
grainy image. They are broadcastable.








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snip IMM crap

Oh FFS you total moron, Super 8 has never been used in main stream
broadcast, the only exception being news / CA were, as Dave says,
there is no other footage available (the classic example being the
Shooting of President Kennedy) or programmes that are based around old
home movies - both are rare events.

Now, your 'friend' might have been talking about Hi8 *video* (also
known by some as Super 8mm, it's method of signal handling / recording
being related to the larger 1/2 inch tape format S-[uper] VHS), that
format was AIUI used on the odd occasions when a very small camera was
required but again it's use was very rare and used mainly within news
/ CA, it's use was short lived as small DV cameras came along (such
as the Sony PD150).


Now look what you've done, you've gone and confused him

He'll prolly make another attempt at poetry for 6 year olds to cover it
up

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snip

In the USA and far east Super 8 was used for local news gathering.
It was
very cheap at the time and gave broadcast quality piccies.


Quite possible, considering that they also use the Never The Same
Color twice (NTSC) system in those parts of the world, picture quality
has never been a strong point...

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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snip

Serious film makers stuck to Super 8 and still do. Google the web
and even
today some serious films are made on Super 8, mainly films that
require a
grainy image. They are broadcastable.


Anything that doesn't break the TX chain is 'broadcastable', it's
another issue entirely if it's watchable by the time it's displayed on
any thing from a 40 quid 14 inch Goodmans set to the latest 52 inch
plasma.....

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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Oh FFS you total moron,

You really just don't know. Stop making things up.

Super 8 has never been used in main stream
broadcast, the only exception being
news / CA were, as Dave says,

The caber tosser didn't say that at all. He said it wasn't used at all.
The idiot say 16mm is not broadcastable. The mans is a fool. In 1980 and
ex SAS man, Nick something, took a 16mm Aaton camera into Afghanistan to
film the fight with the Russians dressed as a local. The films on TV were
pristine making full 1/2 to 1 hour shows. Later he said he wished he had
had the Beaulieu Pro Super 8 camera after seeing the quality of the results.
That camera only came out while he was in Afghanistan.

Super 8 was used in news, especially in small TV stations in the USA. That
is why a number of professional Super 8 cameras were made, and 13 minute
Super 8 cartridges were produced.

there is no other footage available (the
classic example being the
Shooting of President Kennedy)

The Zapruder film is very broadcastable, it is very, very clear on TV habd
does not look amateur despite being shot at 16 or 18 fpm, and made on 8mm
not Super 8mm, which has 50% more film area. A Super 8 pro camera with an
excellent lens and improved film stock gave excellent results, that were
fully broadcastable and way up from 1963 8mm.

snip babble

Stop making things up.



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snip ill informed clap

Stop making things up.


Stop talking to yourself.

"raden" wrote in message
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He'll prolly make another attempt
at poetry for 6 year olds to cover it
up

...Maxie, Maxie, don't be slow
...be like Elvis go, man, go.
...this old saying still stands the test
...so do what Elvis behest

...the King he would have set a frown
...upon our Maxie in a gown
...why does Maxie sport such attire
...which normal folk regard as dire
...to this we can only speculate
...as Maxie attempts to gesticulate

...frocks and gowns are not for the male
...years ago Maxie would have been locked in jail

...the moral is you should all know
...Maxie should be be like Elivis, and go, man, go

...But will Maxie take heed of the King of song
...as he flaunts around in a tatty sarong.




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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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Anything that doesn't break the TX chain is 'broadcastable', it's
another issue entirely if it's watchable by the time it's displayed on
any thing from a 40 quid 14 inch Goodmans set to the latest 52 inch
plasma.....

Entirely watchable. Super 8 could not be projected on large screens, 35mm
was the stock for that., Yet Elmo made a Super 8 projector that could
compete in the smaller cinema multiplexes for quality. However none were
projected as too much was invested in 35mm. Only film clubs used such
projectors.



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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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snip ill informed clap

Stop making things up.

Stop talking to yourself.

Such wit.


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In article ,
Joe wrote:
TV News in the 1970s had an 8mm (Nizo?) and one of those dinky little
Nagras with 1/8 inch tape and hand rewind. Yes, it was for use where a
16BL and Nagra 4 or E would have been a bit conspicuous.

Special use where picture - and sound - quality didn't matter. Otherwise
they'd have been used universally. Cheap stock and cheap equipment (apart
from the Nagra). The suit's dream.

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?

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In article ,
Joe wrote:
Hint. 16mm film struggles to make decent TV resolution.

That's the old version of the vinyl/CD argument. There's no doubt that
16mm film is capable of resolution far exceeding PAL requirements. I've
lost count of the times people have told me this, and I've seen film
shot, developed and displayed via projector that shows excellent
resolution of test charts.

Not quite the same as the vinyl/CD argument. It's very easy to show that
vinyl degrades the master it's made from, but not so easy with CD - if at
all.

16mm will beat the resolution needed for present analogue TV - when used
as intended and projected - but it's not quite the same when put through
the TV system.

So why does it always look soft and muddy on TV?

Unlike IMM, I don't pronounce on things I'm not sure about. But Super 16,
shouldn't really look muddy or soft. Although it can't produce the same
sort of fully saturated colours as electronic can.

35mm is the best choice for TV stuff, if you must use film - as proved by
most of the US shows we get here - but rather too expensive for most UK
progs.

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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
In the USA and far east Super 8 was used for local news gathering. It
was very cheap at the time and gave broadcast quality piccies.

You obviously don't understand the regs on 'broadcast quality' and the
dispensations given for news type stuff.

Perhaps if you do a bit more searching you'll come across the answer?

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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
Richard Attenbourgh did his 1950s wildlife TV series on 16mm, which in
those days they called bootlace.

Was it? You live and learn. Most films made for TV in the B&W days were
made on 35mm, as the quality was better and the stock cost reasonable.
Only when colour came along was the change made to 16mm - fighting and
screaming - as the stock cost was just too high. But some ITV companies -
who had an eye to US sales - still managed to afford it.

For a wildlife prog, where equipment size and weight might be more
important than absolute quality, then I'm not surprised they used 16mm. If
you think about it, the shooting ratio is likely to be poor, so stock
costs also enter the equation.

Many TV companies deliberately reduce the quality of "amateur" footage.

Total ********. They use every trick in the book to improve it.

A means of keeping a closed shop and a differential between them and
amateurs.

The main flaw in your argument is that every TV company in the land would
dearly love to use amateurs using domestic equipment. To save money, don't
you know. But every time they do it falls over miserably. How many home
videos - or even 'pro' made wedding videos - have you seen that are even
half decent technically?

The fact was that amateur kit and film stock had caught up but
they wouldn't accept it because some people took this kit on hols. No
one took a shoulder mounted Arriflex on hols. Imagine if they turned up
with a camera that your dad uses at Xmas? All image nothing else.

Oh - your pros using PPPro gear again. Figures...

The most sophisticated film cameras ever made were Super 8 cameras like
the Bauer, which you could do in-camera fades and dissolves.
Microprocessor control even 25 years ago.

So Speilberg uses them? Is that in their website?

The Super 8 cameras led the way and the pro cameras adopted some of the
features. For about 4 years Super 8 cameras became very sophisticated
attempting top keep video at bay. That is why today you can buy some
brilliant Super 8 kit that is over 20 years old and still like brand
new. It wasn't used much as amateurs went over to video quite quickly.
Tons of the stuff must still be in cupboards all over the world.

And rightly so. It costs a fortune for stock and the results are poor. And
even more so if you want sound.

Serious film makers stuck to Super 8 and still do. Google the web and
even today some serious films are made on Super 8, mainly films that
require a grainy image. They are broadcastable.

Yup. If you want ****e pictures they are great. Says it all, really.

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Doctor Evil wrote:
Oh FFS you total moron,

You really just don't know. Stop making things up.

Super 8 has never been used in main stream
broadcast, the only exception being
news / CA were, as Dave says,

The caber tosser didn't say that at all. He said it wasn't used at all.
The idiot say 16mm is not broadcastable.

Really? Care to include a quote to substantiate that?

The mans is a fool. In 1980 and ex SAS man, Nick something, took a
16mm Aaton camera into Afghanistan to film the fight with the Russians
dressed as a local. The films on TV were pristine making full 1/2 to 1
hour shows.

16mm has been a mainstay of certain types of TV production since colour
arrived.

Later he said he wished he had had the Beaulieu Pro Super 8
camera after seeing the quality of the results. That camera only came
out while he was in Afghanistan.

I'd love to know how a new camera can suddenly make up for the basic
problems of a small image size? Is this like your belief that boilers can
exceed 100% efficiency? Another re-writing the laws of physics?

Super 8 was used in news, especially in small TV stations in the USA.
That is why a number of professional Super 8 cameras were made, and 13
minute Super 8 cartridges were produced.

Yup. Cost more important than quality. 'Twas ever thus.

there is no other footage available (the classic example being the
Shooting of President Kennedy)

The Zapruder film is very broadcastable, it is very, very clear on TV
habd does not look amateur despite being shot at 16 or 18 fpm, and made
on 8mm not Super 8mm, which has 50% more film area. A Super 8 pro
camera with an excellent lens and improved film stock gave excellent
results, that were fully broadcastable and way up from 1963 8mm.

But never, ever, used in the UK for other than news, etc.

snip babble

I only wish you would. It's about time you started talking to real pros in
the real world rather than just reading about it. Hopefully, you'd learn
how to discriminate between truth and hype.

Stop making things up.

Oh, I don't.

If you want, I'll take you on a tour of the various broadcasting companies
I work for and introduce you to those at the sharp end who specify and
operate all the equipment currently in use. Not suits. Just those who have
to make things work. Believe me, they look at all viable alternatives to
reduce costs and maintain quality. The good guys, that is.

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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
Anything that doesn't break the TX chain is 'broadcastable', it's
another issue entirely if it's watchable by the time it's displayed on
any thing from a 40 quid 14 inch Goodmans set to the latest 52 inch
plasma.....

Entirely watchable. Super 8 could not be projected on large screens,
35mm was the stock for that.

So you're finally admitting the definition is poor?

, Yet Elmo made a Super 8 projector that could compete in the smaller
cinema multiplexes for quality.
However none were projected as too much
was invested in 35mm. Only film clubs used such projectors.

Says it all, really.

Suggestion. Get a life.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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The Zapruder film is very broadcastable, it is very, very clear on TV
habd does not look amateur despite being shot at 16 or 18 fpm, and made
on 8mm not Super 8mm, which has 50% more film area. A Super 8 pro
camera with an excellent lens and improved film stock gave excellent
results, that were fully broadcastable and way up from 1963 8mm.

But never, ever, used in the UK for other than news, etc.

.......the caberman has a change of stance.....from saying it never was never
used......it is now only used in news..........he fails to realise that of
powerful media unions, and the advances the price dropping of video, amongst
others, like total ignorance.....were the reasons for no take up.....ah well
caber do this to the mind.....

If you want, I'll take you on a tour
of the various broadcasting companies
I work for

....he keeps at it....I had been around them before you knew what it was all
about.....



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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:

TV News in the 1970s had an 8mm (Nizo?) and one of those dinky little
Nagras with 1/8 inch tape and hand rewind. Yes, it was for use where a
16BL and Nagra 4 or E would have been a bit conspicuous.

Special use where picture - and sound - quality didn't matter. Otherwise
they'd have been used universally. Cheap stock and cheap equipment (apart
from the Nagra). The suit's dream.

.......I used a full Nagra with a Super 8 Beauleiu. The Beauleiu wasn't
cheap, about the price of many 16mm cameras around......

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?

.......the know-it-all caberman now admits he knows sweet FA...brainache has
set in...yes that is true....it was synched in the normal way, via synch
socket on the camera.....It is a Pro camera for God's sake....this is what
cabers do to you...sad but true......



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Joe wrote:
Hint. 16mm film struggles to make decent TV resolution.

That's the old version of the vinyl/CD argument. There's no doubt that
16mm film is capable of resolution far exceeding PAL requirements. I've
lost count of the times people have told me this, and I've seen film
shot, developed and displayed via projector that shows excellent
resolution of test charts.

.......the brainache is too much as he aimlessly babbles away.....

Not quite the same as the vinyl/CD argument.

.....of course it is. Super 8 film resoltion is higher than video.....these
things many will know....he goes on.....

16mm will beat the resolution needed
for present analogue TV - when used
as intended and projected - but it's not
quite the same when put through
the TV system.

....of course total nonsense yet again......transferred by flying spot to
Video it is superior.....as is Super 8.....yes it is....

So why does it always look soft and muddy on TV?

.....the cabers have fried the mans mind.....read this....

Unlike IMM, I don't pronounce
on things I'm not sure about.

.....I know you all fell about laughling....he goes on.....

35mm is the best choice for TV stuff,
if you must use film - as proved by
most of the US shows we get here -
but rather too expensive for most UK
progs.

.........totally wrong again...the brainache is taking effect........35mm is
used ease of transferring onto differing video formats....some are very
poor,,,as is NTSC.....very simple...for PAL.....16mm will do as will Super
8.....



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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

In the USA and far east Super 8 was
used for local news gathering. It
was very cheap at the time and gave
broadcast quality piccies.

.....he spurts away......

You obviously don't understand the
regs on 'broadcast quality' and the
dispensations given for news type stuff.

..........clear the cabers have taken effect here.....he obviously doesn't
know the regs himself.....sad but true......



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Doctor Evil wrote:

...of course total nonsense yet again......transferred by flying spot to
Video it is superior.....as is Super 8.....yes it is....

Surely use of the flying grot spanner for telecine went out with the
ark? Don't they all use CCD line-array sensors these days, or maybe
even whole-frame?

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Andy

"Andy Wade" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

...of course total nonsense yet again......transferred by flying spot to
Video it is superior.....as is Super 8.....yes it is....

Surely use of the flying grot spanner for telecine went out with the
ark? Don't they all use CCD line-array sensors these days, or maybe
even whole-frame?

Probably do. Flying spot is used extensively. It was about the first with
no optical transfer that really made the likes of Super 8 braodcastable.


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Doctor Evil wrote:
But never, ever, used in the UK for other than news, etc.

......the caberman has a change of stance.....from saying it never was
never used......it is now only used in news..........he fails to realise
that of powerful media unions, and the advances the price dropping of
video, amongst others, like total ignorance.....were the reasons for no
take up.....ah well caber do this to the mind.....

So now from being an up to date and viable alternative to video, it's a
washed out system which was overtaken by better?

And it's *not* routinely used for news in the UK. Not ever. The idea of
using a medium which needs processing before it can be shown for news is
plain ridiculous.

As a disposable item as part of a news item where the camera was going to
be trashed, who knows?

If you want, I'll take you on a tour of the various broadcasting
companies I work for

...he keeps at it....I had been around them before you knew what it was
all about.....

You must be *very* old, then. Which explains the senility. And the lack of
any recent practical experience - your nurse won't allow it.

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*When the going gets tough, use duct tape

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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:

......I used a full Nagra with a Super 8 Beauleiu. The Beauleiu wasn't
cheap, about the price of many 16mm cameras around......

*You* used a 'full' Nagra - whatever that is - and a camera? Is there no
end to your talents?

Now I know all about multi-tasking, but no one in their right mind would
use two ancient ways of recording pictures and sound as a one man
operation. Perhaps this is where your love of two combis comes from. You
see double all the time...

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?

......the know-it-all caberman now admits he knows sweet FA...brainache
has set in...yes that is true....it was synched in the normal way, via
synch socket on the camera.....It is a Pro camera for God's sake....this
is what cabers do to you...sad but true......

I just knew it was too much to expect a technical answer from you.

How does it work? "Well, you plug it in" Prat.

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Doctor Evil wrote:
35mm is the best choice for TV stuff,
if you must use film - as proved by
most of the US shows we get here -
but rather too expensive for most UK
progs.

........totally wrong again...the brainache is taking effect........35mm
is used ease of transferring onto differing video formats....some are
very poor,,,as is NTSC.....very simple...for PAL.....16mm will do as
will Super 8.....

Go and read some more - and preferably from books less than 30 years old.

*All* film used for initial capture on TV is transferred from negative to
video for subsequent editing and post production. So PAL or NTSC doesn't
enter into the equation apart from the final TX tape.

--
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In article ,
Andy Wade wrote:
...of course total nonsense yet again......transferred by flying spot to
Video it is superior.....as is Super 8.....yes it is....

Surely use of the flying grot spanner for telecine went out with the
ark?

Yup. Along with 1" C Format and all these other things he's spouting on
about. They were obsolescent 25 years ago.

Don't they all use CCD line-array sensors these days, or maybe
even whole-frame?

None of the facilities I commonly work at even possess a telecine machine
these days. You'd need a specialist facility, as all film is transferred
to video for post production. And this is becoming the norm in the
features world too.

All the films you see on TV now come from the distributors on tape - in
the format and length you require. The cost of a colour print is so
enormous it makes sense.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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None of the facilities I commonly
work at even possess a telecine machine
these days. You'd need a specialist facility,
as all film is transferred to video for post production.

That was the norm 25 years ago, for Super 8 in news gathering. Processed
immediately and direct onto video tape for editing. Not new at all.

You have been asking question to your mates because you didn't know....he
said Super 8 and 16mm film formats were never broadcast, but after talking
to his mates all of a sudden they are.....sad I know








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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:

......I used a full Nagra with a Super 8 Beauleiu. The Beauleiu wasn't
cheap, about the price of many 16mm cameras around......

*You* used a 'full' Nagra - whatever that is

....that is not the tiny Nagra.

- and a camera?

Got it in one...that is what you ise to take piccie with.....do some reading
that will tell you...

Is there no
end to your talents?

No. I'm also brill at poetry.

Now I know all about multi-tasking,
but no one in their right mind would
use two ancient ways of recording
pictures and sound as a one man
operation.

That is why they invented "sound cameras" note the words....then ask your
mates...

Perhaps this is where your love
of two combis comes from.

You can use two combi''s with a sound camera...ask your mates.....

You see double all the time...

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?

......the know-it-all caberman now admits he knows sweet FA...brainache
has set in...yes that is true....it was synched in the normal way, via
synch socket on the camera.....It is a Pro camera for God's sake....this
is what cabers do to you...sad but true......

I just knew it was too much to expect
a technical answer from you.

You mean you didn't know? It's true he never. A set of contacts make a
pulse for each film frame which is recorded on the tape. Then the film and
sound can be matched up using the pulses for perfect lip synch.

How does it work?

He really doesn't know....now he'll have to ask his mates again.... It is
best he just read what I wrote, so much easier.



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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Joe wrote:

TV News in the 1970s had an 8mm (Nizo?) and one of those dinky little
Nagras with 1/8 inch tape and hand rewind. Yes, it was for use where a
16BL and Nagra 4 or E would have been a bit conspicuous.


Special use where picture - and sound - quality didn't matter. Otherwise
they'd have been used universally. Cheap stock and cheap equipment (apart
from the Nagra). The suit's dream.

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?


I don't think there was much of a lip-sync issue. You don't have
reporters working to camera when you want to keep it quiet. Normally it
would have been mute, and where sound was necessary there would rarely
be visual clues. There would also only be a few minutes at a time, which
wasn't hard to fix manually.

Doctor Evil wrote:

How did they synchronise the Nagra to the film?


......the know-it-all caberman now admits he knows sweet FA...brainache has
set in...yes that is true....it was synched in the normal way, via synch
socket on the camera.....It is a Pro camera for God's sake....this is what
cabers do to you...sad but true......


No pilot tone on the Nagra SN. The head's small enough as it is.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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None of the facilities I commonly
work at even possess a telecine machine
these days. You'd need a specialist facility,
as all film is transferred to video for post production.

That was the norm 25 years ago, for Super 8 in news gathering.
Processed
immediately and direct onto video tape for editing. Not new at all.

You have been asking question to your mates because you didn't
know....he
said Super 8 and 16mm film formats were never broadcast, but after
talking
to his mates all of a sudden they are.....sad I know


You are a common LIAR.