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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:45:31 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... Hmm.... well having had recent experience of a family member needing quite major abdominal surgery, we came rapidly to the opposite conclusion. One of the major concerns of the two surgeons (and we are talking eminent FRS and equivalent) was the risk of post operative infection in a ward situation of the local NHS hospital. I might believe that the NHS has something to offer in A&E because of scale , or could if the facilities were not so appallingly tatty and if the staff didn't have an attitude that they are doing one a favour. Of course what you say is all tripe. Unfortunately it isn't. It's a very recent and real experience. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:54 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. Patient to patient contact in large wards, endless streams of visitors for all the other patients bringing in infections......... One thing about a private hospital. Don't get seriously sick at night. They don't have 24 hour cover. Of course they do. Again, from very recent experience. We checked that specific point and how it was implemented. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:54:19 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. Please keep away and waste your money on paying twice and on super expensive power tools that stay in the cupboard most of the year. If the NHS were providing a useful and safe service, I would use it. Unfortunately it doesn't, and should be closed down and replaced with something focussed on delivery of medicine not on political expediency to make sure that there is national equality of service.. The iniquitous part is paying twice and being taxed four times in order to buy useful heathcare. Where power tools fit into this I am not quite sure.... ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:15:13 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:17:07 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Huge writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service The trouble is that the service is horrendous and the cost to the taxpayer even more horrendous. I would like to know where the countless thousands that I contribute to this each year (employer and employee contributions) actually go.... It doesn't end up at the point of delivery in any way that I find useful. How do you know? You go to a private one. Nice wine list eh? Periodically I have attempted to use the NHS. For one reason or another it fails to deliver..... Waiting for appointments, cancellations, inadequate time with consultants, waiting again for follow up appointments, filthy environments,.... the catalogue is endless. I don't want to pay for that nonsense. Simple. Stop making things up. That is not my experience neither is it the one of millions of others....and stop reading the Daily Mail. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:54 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. Patient to patient contact in large wards, endless streams of visitors for all the other patients bringing in infections......... So we should not walk into Selfridges then as all those people will kill us. Duh. One thing about a private hospital. Don't get seriously sick at night. They don't have 24 hour cover. Of course they do. Nurses, yes. Doctors and surgeons? NO!!!!! Many people,have died in these places because of the non-existent night cover. The specialist are ALL NHS people who are allowed to make a few bob on the side in private hospitals. This ridiculous situation came about when medical was privatised as a compromise to appease. It should be stopped. The Wellington private hospital in St. John's Wood. They send their patients to the Royal Free to use the machines there as they don't have them as they can't afford them. So you go to a private hossie with a good wine list and spend most of your time in a NHS hospital up the road. These private people should be put at the back of the NHS lists. |
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In article , Tony sayer wrote:
Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. My mother had a knee replacement done at Kingston Hospital not so long ago and the treatment was excellent. A neighbour had a hip replacement done privately and post-operative complications set in. The NHS had to sort these out ... and the fact that she was rushed for emergency treatment probably caused some unlucky NHS patient to be phoned up and told their op was cancelled. Statistically these prove nothing, but my perception is that people's own experience of the NHS is that if they get good treatment they regard it as being the exception rather than the norm. Private hospitals should be better: they don't have to have an open door policy to emergencies but they are far from faultless as a number of high profile legal cases have shown. If there are no complications then you probably do get better treatment in a private hospital, but get into trouble in the middle of the night and you might wish you were somewhere with a doctor or two on duty. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Tony sayer wrote: Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. My mother had a knee replacement done at Kingston Hospital not so long ago and the treatment was excellent. A neighbour had a hip replacement done privately and post-operative complications set in. The NHS had to sort these out ... and the fact that she was rushed for emergency treatment probably caused some unlucky NHS patient to be phoned up and told their op was cancelled. Statistically these prove nothing, but my perception is that people's own experience of the NHS is that if they get good treatment they regard it as being the exception rather than the norm. Private hospitals should be better: they don't have to have an open door policy to emergencies but they are far from faultless as a number of high profile legal cases have shown. If there are no complications then you probably do get better treatment in a private hospital, but get into trouble in the middle of the night and you might wish you were somewhere with a doctor or two on duty. In short, give them a wide berth. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote
| Where power tools fit into this I am not quite sure.... If you wanted to do your own surgery you'd have to buy some interesting new ones. Owain |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:54:23 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message Periodically I have attempted to use the NHS. For one reason or another it fails to deliver..... Waiting for appointments, cancellations, inadequate time with consultants, waiting again for follow up appointments, filthy environments,.... the catalogue is endless. I don't want to pay for that nonsense. Simple. Stop making things up. That is not my experience neither is it the one of millions of others....and stop reading the Daily Mail. Maybe you have lower acceptance criteria than I do. I pay a great deal towards this NHS nonsense and in terms of value for money it simply doesn't deliver what I want. No other product or service organisation that I can think of charges a variable rate but then does not provide service that relates to what I pay. I should be able to pay more and get a better or faster service or product, or less and not. I can do that with everything else I buy, so why not healthcare? If this socialised system is intent on delivering the same level of service to everybody, then it really should collect revenue at the same rate from everybody. That would be the ideal. Of course in reality, there is a small proportion of the population who could not do that, so I don't mind paying a few percent more to cover that, because it is civilised to do so. Beyond that, I should be able to direct the incremental money that I pay towards healthcare of my choice and not be taxed four times over for so doing. That is a complete nonsense of the system. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:14 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:54 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. Patient to patient contact in large wards, endless streams of visitors for all the other patients bringing in infections......... So we should not walk into Selfridges then as all those people will kill us. Duh. That is not the comparison as you well know. One thing about a private hospital. Don't get seriously sick at night. They don't have 24 hour cover. Of course they do. Nurses, yes. Doctors and surgeons? NO!!!!! Many people,have died in these places because of the non-existent night cover. Certainly in our recent example, there were doctors around 24x7. As regards consultants and surgeons, you probably won't find them around much at night anywhere. The specialist are ALL NHS people who are allowed to make a few bob on the side in private hospitals. They are professionals who have an NHS contract and also practice separately in the private sector. I am sure they pay their taxes like everybody else. This ridiculous situation came about when medical was privatised as a compromise to appease. It should be stopped. The NHS contract forcing a minimum number of hours of NHS work should be stopped. The Wellington private hospital in St. John's Wood. They send their patients to the Royal Free to use the machines there as they don't have them as they can't afford them. So you go to a private hossie with a good wine list and spend most of your time in a NHS hospital up the road. These private people should be put at the back of the NHS lists. I see no reason why the private sector shouldn't buy services and diagnosis from the public sector or the other way round. There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. The patient (customer) should be at liberty, with no economic penalty, to choose the heathcare that they want and are willing to pay for. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:55:43 +0100, Tony Bryer
wrote: In article , Tony sayer wrote: Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. My mother had a knee replacement done at Kingston Hospital not so long ago and the treatment was excellent. A neighbour had a hip replacement done privately and post-operative complications set in. The NHS had to sort these out ... and the fact that she was rushed for emergency treatment probably caused some unlucky NHS patient to be phoned up and told their op was cancelled. Statistically these prove nothing, but my perception is that people's own experience of the NHS is that if they get good treatment they regard it as being the exception rather than the norm. I think that personal experiences either way count for a lot. Private hospitals should be better: they don't have to have an open door policy to emergencies but they are far from faultless as a number of high profile legal cases have shown. Of course. There have also been substantial numbers of cases related to incompetence and other factors in NHS hospitals as well - except that the government has pretty deep pockets to defend them and records mysteriously disappear. If there are no complications then you probably do get better treatment in a private hospital, but get into trouble in the middle of the night and you might wish you were somewhere with a doctor or two on duty. Again, I can only speak from recent experience where we checked into this very point and there was 24x7 coverage, crash facilities etc. etc. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:54:23 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message Periodically I have attempted to use the NHS. For one reason or another it fails to deliver..... Waiting for appointments, cancellations, inadequate time with consultants, waiting again for follow up appointments, filthy environments,.... the catalogue is endless. I don't want to pay for that nonsense. Simple. Stop making things up. That is not my experience neither is it the one of millions of others....and stop reading the Daily Mail. Maybe you have lower acceptance criteria than I do. snip babbling tripe |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:14 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:54 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. Patient to patient contact in large wards, endless streams of visitors for all the other patients bringing in infections......... So we should not walk into Selfridges then as all those people will kill us. Duh. That is not the comparison as you well know. Are all hospital visitors deathly sick? That is what you clearly implied. One thing about a private hospital. Don't get seriously sick at night. They don't have 24 hour cover. Of course they do. Nurses, yes. Doctors and surgeons? NO!!!!! Many people,have died in these places because of the non-existent night cover. Certainly in our recent example, there were doctors around 24x7. As regards consultants and surgeons, you probably won't find them around much at night anywhere. The specialist are ALL NHS people who are allowed to make a few bob on the side in private hospitals. They are professionals who have an NHS contract and also practice separately in the private sector. I am sure they pay their taxes like everybody else. This ridiculous situation came about when medical was privatised as a compromise to appease. It should be stopped. The NHS contract forcing a minimum number of hours of NHS work should be stopped. The Wellington private hospital in St. John's Wood. They send their patients to the Royal Free to use the machines there as they don't have them as they can't afford them. So you go to a private hossie with a good wine list and spend most of your time in a NHS hospital up the road. These private people should be put at the back of the NHS lists. I see no reason why the private sector shouldn't buy services and diagnosis from the public sector or the other way round. There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. The patient (customer) should be at liberty, with no economic penalty, to choose the heathcare that they want and are willing to pay for. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the
private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. My experience in the past was that private hospitals had nice carpets, and you got to see consultants where in the NHS you would see lowly junior docs. the trouble is that a consultant might not have dealt with the kind of early signs of complications that you might see on the ward for a good 20 years. He hasn't taken blood, he's got no idea about minor analgesia problems etc. And he's also not available until he's finished his NHS duties. A few private hospitals were no better than a B&B with an en-suite butchers shop. Having said that, the more recent private hospitals, accredited by BUPA etc are staffed by highly motivated decently paid staff, with a low enough turnover to avoid mistakes, with career junior highly trained staff on site and are very professional. In general - for cold surgery - if you fancy, pay your money for private medicine. For emergency medicine, surgery, there is NO safe alternative to the NHS |
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In article , Andy Hall wrote:
There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. The patient (customer) should be at liberty, with no economic penalty, to choose the heathcare that they want and are willing to pay for. Queues are going to be a fact of life wherever the demand for a service is unpredictable unless you provide enough capacity for worse case situations. Tesco haven't abolished queues, neither have the Nationwide. Both have determined that there is an acceptable queuing time and provide enough staff to keep waiting down to this level most of the time, but not always. As to be able to get what you are willing to pay for, where does that leave people who were born with some congenital condition or who have (say) a family history of cancer. A while back it was reported that the NHS expenditure on you during your last year of life is x% of the total it spends on you over your entire life where x is a pretty high number. These people (like several I know who had lingering deaths from cancer) are precisely the ones insurance companies don't want or won't (because of age limits) cover. "Private medical insurance can also only cover people for a limited range of treatments. Almost every PMI policy excludes accident and emergency, pregnancy, HIV/AIDS, long-term chronic illnesses and treatment for alcohol and drug abuse. Most also exclude psychiatric care and "pre-existing conditions". In all these medical situations the NHS is, in reality, the only source of treatment." http://society.guardian.co.uk/privat...811521,00.html all any of which (pregnancy excepted g you might one day need, though hopefully not, and that's what you're paying for. Today's Telegraph reports on Prince Charles' chum who fell off a polo pony last week, and died after two days on a life support machine ... in a NHS hospital. We all pay for it and sooner or later most of us will need it. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:47:41 +0100, Tony Bryer
wrote: In article , Andy Hall wrote: There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. The patient (customer) should be at liberty, with no economic penalty, to choose the heathcare that they want and are willing to pay for. Queues are going to be a fact of life wherever the demand for a service is unpredictable unless you provide enough capacity for worse case situations. Tesco haven't abolished queues, neither have the Nationwide. Both have determined that there is an acceptable queuing time and provide enough staff to keep waiting down to this level most of the time, but not always. As to be able to get what you are willing to pay for, where does that leave people who were born with some congenital condition or who have (say) a family history of cancer. Which is why I made the point that I don't mind contributing a bit over the equitable level to cover people who are not able to get insurance or to afford private care. A while back it was reported that the NHS expenditure on you during your last year of life is x% of the total it spends on you over your entire life where x is a pretty high number. These people (like several I know who had lingering deaths from cancer) are precisely the ones insurance companies don't want or won't (because of age limits) cover. "Private medical insurance can also only cover people for a limited range of treatments. Almost every PMI policy excludes accident and emergency, pregnancy, HIV/AIDS, long-term chronic illnesses and treatment for alcohol and drug abuse. Most also exclude psychiatric care and "pre-existing conditions". In all these medical situations the NHS is, in reality, the only source of treatment." http://society.guardian.co.uk/privat...811521,00.html I wonder about all of this. Most other countries with socialised medicine charge something at the point of delivery in most cases. I would be surprised if they charged multiple compound taxation to people who choose to make their own arrangements. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:10:35 +0100, "Owain"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote | Where power tools fit into this I am not quite sure.... If you wanted to do your own surgery you'd have to buy some interesting new ones. Owain That's a thought...... ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:10:56 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:14 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:54 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. Patient to patient contact in large wards, endless streams of visitors for all the other patients bringing in infections......... So we should not walk into Selfridges then as all those people will kill us. Duh. That is not the comparison as you well know. Are all hospital visitors deathly sick? That is what you clearly implied. I implied nothing of the kind. It is, however, pretty obvious that the more people that you introduce into a space, the greater the risk of infection. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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The one small thing that I noticed (not that I cared particularly), was that the consultant's car parking spaces are next to the door of the hospital, and patients and visitors can park elsewhere. Notwithstanding the exercise, I can't think of any business that puts its staff car park next to the entrance and makes it customers walk further. As a Consultant I would comment that there are some truths in both sides of what has been said in this thread. I have great respect for Andy as an expert in DIY and follow his postings with interest. On this off-topic thread however he has got a couple of things wrong. There is no doubt that the patients are not the customers in private hospitals - the consultants are! We are treated with huge respect and immense (not always warranted) respect. The reason for this is that the consultants bring the patients (hence the business and the money) to the hospital. It is true there are a few situations where a patient will refer themselves to a private hospital which will then provide a consultant for them. However these are the absolute exceptions - probably less than 5%. In the vast majority of cases the patient is referred to a consultant who then recommends and arranges treatment at a private hospital. The hospitals compete for our business and there are very few private hospitals who employ consultants on their staff. So the consultants car park next to the entrance is deliberate. It is the only visible manifestation of a huge enterprise behind the scenes to woo and retain consultant loyalty. -- Matthew Barnard |
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In message , Andy Hall
writes On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. When my father was in hospital last year, not only did he contract MRSA, but also gangrene. Totally misdiagnosed, he almost died -- geoff |
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raden wrote:
In message , John Stumbles writes "Chris" ] wrote in message ]... How could the volume of a person be found? I mean using DIY methods, rather than laboratory facilities! Submerge person in bath. Mark water level. Get person out of bath. Fill with water to same level, measuring amount needed. How exactly ? returning to the original level by removing e.g. a litre jug's worth at a time? You could just time how long it takes to fill back up to the level, and then time how long it takes to fill a container of known volume. Like a measuring jug. Then you just need to do some sums. -Duncan |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:32:00 GMT, raden wrote:
When my father was in hospital last year, not only did he contract MRSA, but also gangrene. Totally misdiagnosed, he almost died Sorry to hear that. According to the radio today, one primary care trust is taking the view that he would have been at greater risk from a homemade fruit cake however, so the local WI have been told their produce is no longer welcome. Methinks there is a problem of perspective here. -- Since I've used all of my sick days, I'm calling in dead. Mail john rather than nospam... |
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In message , IMM
writes Talking of which , I gave up smoking today So having stated that in public, I'll look a right tit if I don't succeed (so if posts get more ratty than normal, you know why) Maxie, so the combination of you being just you, the Far East R&R wearing off and craving for a drug means you will get worse than what you are? Someone's been fiddling with your firmware again, haven't they -- geoff |
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In message , IMM
writes Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which is a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror Maxie, you a menace. DIMM - learn to write in English FFS -- geoff |
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In message , IMM
writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Grunff" wrote in message ... Bob Eager wrote: But make sure you seal up all orifices first - gaffer tape will do... I suggest IMM as a subject... If IMM is doing it, he could just wear his gimp suit. No gaffer tape required. What's a gimp suit? Is this trendy around your way? It's that thing hanging up next to the handcuffs and whip in your wardrobe My God Maxie! Did they allow you to take them through customs? Do you actually understand them meaning of "your" ? it doesn't look like it -- geoff |
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In message , Duncan Lees
writes raden wrote: In message , John Stumbles writes "Chris" ] wrote in message ]... How could the volume of a person be found? I mean using DIY methods, rather than laboratory facilities! Submerge person in bath. Mark water level. Get person out of bath. Fill with water to same level, measuring amount needed. How exactly ? returning to the original level by removing e.g. a litre jug's worth at a time? You could just time how long it takes to fill back up to the level, and then time how long it takes to fill a container of known volume. Like a measuring jug. Then you just need to do some sums. I did that when last filling my pond All went well until the water pressure dropped because the next door neighbour turned on a tap. -- geoff |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Grunff" wrote in message ... Bob Eager wrote: But make sure you seal up all orifices first - gaffer tape will do... I suggest IMM as a subject... If IMM is doing it, he could just wear his gimp suit. No gaffer tape required. What's a gimp suit? Is this trendy around your way? It's that thing hanging up next to the handcuffs and whip in your wardrobe My God Maxie! Did they allow you to take them through customs? Do you actually understand them meaning of "your" ? Maxie, you know all about these things in detail. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes Talking of which , I gave up smoking today So having stated that in public, I'll look a right tit if I don't succeed (so if posts get more ratty than normal, you know why) Maxie, so the combination of you being just you, the Far East R&R wearing off and craving for a drug means you will get worse than what you are? Someone's been fiddling with your firmware again, haven't they Maxie, when in the far east what did you fiddle with? |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which is a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror Maxie, you a menace. IMM - learn to write in English FFS Maxie, it still does not hide the fact that you are still a menace. |
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"kansasman" wrote in message om... Define obesity. Obesity is a condition, an not a disease, imho. It is preventable. Generally true but there are people with gland failure who no matter how little they eat will be overweight. Though they tend to be 'tubular'-ly big rather than fat at the waist. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which is a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror Maxie, you a menace. IMM - learn to write in English FFS Maxie, it still does not hide the fact that you are still a menace. Ha ha - it seems that DIMM's RAM (rambling androgynous memories) is corrupted again Maxie, you can tell us all about it. We will help you. |
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In message , IMM
writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which is a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror Maxie, you a menace. IMM - learn to write in English FFS Maxie, it still does not hide the fact that you are still a menace. Ha ha - it seems that DIMM's RAM (rambling androgynous memories) is corrupted again -- geoff |
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In article , G&M
writes British Telecom before Mrs T - 6 months to wait for a (noisy) phone. British Telecom after Mrs T - 2 days to wait for a good phone plus many alternatives. Electricity companies before Mrs T - overcharged. Electricity companies after Mrs T - highly competive pricing. British made cars before Mrs T - unreliable, expensive. British made cars after Mrs T - even Vauxhalls work reliably and are actually proportionally cheaper. Restuarants before Mrs T - crap and utter crap. Restaurants after Mrs T - more top quality places than anywhere other than Railways before Mrs T - cheap, worked (mostly) Railways after Mrs T - ****ed -- A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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In article , Andy Hall
writes There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. So you'd prefer we have the equivalent of the American system? No state provision, quack doctors everywhere, overpriced heath insurance, outrageously expensive drugs? -- A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
OT - How could the volume of a person be found?
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:22:17 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes There shouldn't be an NHS list or a queue - that's the whole point. In my view, their shouldn't be economically enforced socialised medicine at all. So you'd prefer we have the equivalent of the American system? Definitely. No state provision, Yes there is. Medicare and Medicaid, for those who need it. I fundamentally don't buy into the notion that the state has to be in the healthcare business. It does not do it well. quack doctors everywhere, Just like here. One should *always* check the credentials of any clinician. overpriced heath insurance, Less than here, and actually considerably less than here when the compound taxes applied to health insurance and the money wasted via NI contributions are taken into account. outrageously expensive drugs? Paid for by the insurance. This is artificial anyway. They have a high list price, and the insurers receive an enormous discount, so it is irrelevant. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
OT - How could the volume of a person be found?
In article , Andy Hall
writes I fundamentally don't buy into the notion that the state has to be in the healthcare business. It does not do it well. We'll have to agree to disagree, Andy. Were it not for the NHS I wouldn't be here now. I have received exemplary service from all facets of the service I have used - from hospitals to dental treatment. As with other walks of life, I find a measure of patience and treating the staff as fellow human beings goes a long way. -- A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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