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John Powell wrote:
You are not an alcoholic until you drink more than your doctor ... so go and weigh him for an 'obesity' check. That's a very good point - I'm a GP and I see it as a minor role of mine to preach about lifestyle. People want to be fixed, then get on with their life as they see fit. I bet you don't get formula one pit crew tutting to drivers and saying "well if only you drove a little more slowly and occasionally got out for a break your engine would be less strained and last longer" It's much cheaper for politicians to shout at the populace to be more healthy than let them decide, and provide sick-shops to clear up the mess. You only have to measure the girth of politicians to realise why health promotion doesn't work. Even John Reid admitted that for some people smoking is their only pleasure. If one of my elderly patients said that it would be fine, but for a senior politican responsible for firing competent managers for not meeting his stalinist health targets that's unforgiveable hypocrisy. As far as I'm concerned people can be the size they want. I'll advise them of the consequences, but then they can choose. If people wear out their knees aged 40 because they're carrying the equivalent of 2 heavy suitcases of lard everywhere they go then I'll point it out, give them the help but that's as far as I can go. It's about choice and responsiblity.... *rant mode: OFF* Ah but should the NHS then pay for the knee, hip, heart and lung operations they then require because of their CHOSEN lifestyle? NB |
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"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
... John Powell wrote: You are not an alcoholic until you drink more than your doctor ... so go and weigh him for an 'obesity' check. That's a very good point - I'm a GP and I see it as a minor role of mine to preach about lifestyle. People want to be fixed, then get on with their life as they see fit. I bet you don't get formula one pit crew tutting to drivers and saying "well if only you drove a little more slowly and occasionally got out for a break your engine would be less strained and last longer" It's much cheaper for politicians to shout at the populace to be more healthy than let them decide, and provide sick-shops to clear up the mess. You only have to measure the girth of politicians to realise why health promotion doesn't work. Even John Reid admitted that for some people smoking is their only pleasure. If one of my elderly patients said that it would be fine, but for a senior politican responsible for firing competent managers for not meeting his stalinist health targets that's unforgiveable hypocrisy. As far as I'm concerned people can be the size they want. I'll advise them of the consequences, but then they can choose. If people wear out their knees aged 40 because they're carrying the equivalent of 2 heavy suitcases of lard everywhere they go then I'll point it out, give them the help but that's as far as I can go. It's about choice and responsiblity.... *rant mode: OFF* Ah but should the NHS then pay for the knee, hip, heart and lung operations they then require because of their CHOSEN lifestyle? Well, do those who choose a healthy lifestyle have opportunity to contribute less to the NHS? -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:08:10 +0100, Nick Brooks
wrote: Ah but should the NHS then pay for the knee, hip, heart and lung operations they then require because of their CHOSEN lifestyle? NB Absolutely, until one has the choice not to pay money to the outdated, ineffective and wasteful megalith known as the NHS. As it is, I have to waste thousands a year on this nonsense and then buy healthcare insurance (which is taxed again, four times) in order to obtain a worthwhile level of service. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:08:10 +0100, Nick Brooks wrote: Ah but should the NHS then pay for the knee, hip, heart and lung operations they then require because of their CHOSEN lifestyle? NB Absolutely, until one has the choice not to pay money to the outdated, ineffective and wasteful megalith known as the NHS. As it is, I have to waste thousands a year on this nonsense and then buy healthcare insurance (which is taxed again, four times) in order to obtain a worthwhile level of service. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl One of the NHS's many problems is funding. Allowing people to opt out of contributing isn't likely to improve it. However if people had better diets, exercised more and smoked less then the burden on the NHS would be greatly reduced and they might be able to offer a better service. NB |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:52:12 +0100, Nick Brooks
wrote: Andy Hall wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:08:10 +0100, Nick Brooks wrote: Ah but should the NHS then pay for the knee, hip, heart and lung operations they then require because of their CHOSEN lifestyle? NB Absolutely, until one has the choice not to pay money to the outdated, ineffective and wasteful megalith known as the NHS. As it is, I have to waste thousands a year on this nonsense and then buy healthcare insurance (which is taxed again, four times) in order to obtain a worthwhile level of service. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl One of the NHS's many problems is funding. Yes. Way too much of it, way too many layers of bureaucracy with too little used at the point of delivery and not charging at the point of delivery covers most of it. Allowing people to opt out of contributing isn't likely to improve it. On the contrary. The kindest solution would be euthanasia for this outmoded megalith and replacement with a much scaled down and non-universal arrangement for people that want it, paid for out of general taxation. Those who do not wish to use it would then be making much smaller contributions for the benefit of those on low incomes who are unable to make their own arrangements. I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. However if people had better diets, exercised more and smoked less then the burden on the NHS would be greatly reduced and they might be able to offer a better service. I don't disagree regarding better diet, exercise and lifestyle, but it is not appropriate for the state to dictate that through the medium of an attempt at healthcare or through any other means. I am not interested in the state providing a healthcare "service". It would be better off not attempting to do so, and so would the population. NB ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"IMM" wrote in message ... Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. If you'd been at Camelot last weekend you wouldn't think that. Camelot theme park? Or Camelot the people who run the national lottery? |
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However if people had
better diets, exercised more and smoked less then the burden on the NHS would be greatly reduced and they might be able to offer a better service. I don't disagree regarding better diet, exercise and lifestyle, but it is not appropriate for the state to dictate that through the medium of an attempt at healthcare or through any other means. I am not interested in the state providing a healthcare "service". It would be better off not attempting to do so, and so would the population. IF... the state provided the NATIONAL FOOD SERVICE then we'd all agree, via taxes, to pay for a "shared table" of food. it wouldn't be Gordon Ramsey grand food, it would be basic, healthy, nutritious food. If we all ate at the table, and all contributed, it would be appropriate to rant at people who took more than their fair share, or had food fights etc. That's what the politicians are doing with the health service, complaining about the "wasters". But if they are seen to be indulging themselves too, whilst preaching, even ignoring the shared meal and buying their own, then that's hypocrisy. We got rid of the "national food service" soon after the war. Why is that? Food, I would argue, with housing, is more important to health than medicine? so why do we get all emotional about medicine rationing, and vilify people who choose and pay for their own alternative, yet it's perfectly socially acceptable to live in a vast house and buy expensive vanity foods and chuck half of it the bin? Such hypocrisy on a national scale Think I'll open a beer... |
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In article , Mary
Fisher writes "IMM" wrote in message ... Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. If you'd been at Camelot last weekend you wouldn't think that. It's remarkable, walking around, not just in theme parks, noting just how porky people have become. Even my parents, who live in Florida and are over here for a few weeks' break, have commented on it. And America is the land of the fatties. |
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"John Powell" wrote
| IF... the state provided the NATIONAL FOOD SERVICE | then we'd all agree, via taxes, to pay for a "shared table" of food. | it wouldn't be Gordon Ramsey grand food, it would be basic, healthy, | nutritious food. And which particular branch of the state do you expect to provide this National Food Service? ... Dear Mr Powell With regards to your application for National Food, this has been rejected as according to an anonymous tip off we have received, your next door neighbour is the father of your children and therefore is eligible to receive your entitlement to Children's Allowance Of Frosties. Yours sincerely Child Support Agency National Food Department Dear Mr Powell I regret to inform you that since the introduction of Part P of the National Food Regulations, it is not possible for you to apply on your own behalf for National Food. Your application must be endorsed by a practitioner member of the National Inspection Council for Colonic Irrigation. Yours sincerely Office of Deputy Prime Minister National Food Department Dear Powell 546432 In respect of your chitty for Meals Hot Weather we are unable to supply same at present and have arranged for a delivery of Meals Arctic Rations together with Fans Battery Operated Hand Held in substitution for same. Please advise drop zone coordinates ASAP. By Order Ministry of Defence Supplies National Food Department Dear Mr or Ms Powell Unfortunately we do not have the dishes you have requested at this branch. We can request the savoury items to be transferred to this branch at a cost of 60p per item. We have also noticed that the apple pie you borrowed last week was returned with one of the pastry leaves missing. Please would you return the missing pastry leaf or we will have to charge you for the costs of replacing this item. Yours sincerely Public Library National Food Department Dear Mr Powell Thank you for your request for basic, healthy, nutritious food. Unfortunately because of several problems for which no-one is to blame, we do not have any basic, healthy, nutritious food. We do however have an almost-finished elaborately frosted wedding cake which has cost far more and taken far longer to bake than we anticipated. We believe that you will feel very pleased and proud about this. Yours aye Scottish Parliament Depairtment o Haggis an Tatties Owain |
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In message , IMM
writes "Grunff" wrote in message ... Bob Eager wrote: But make sure you seal up all orifices first - gaffer tape will do... I suggest IMM as a subject... If IMM is doing it, he could just wear his gimp suit. No gaffer tape required. What's a gimp suit? Is this trendy around your way? It's that thing hanging up next to the handcuffs and whip in your wardrobe -- geoff |
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In message , IMM
writes "Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Gordon Henderson" wrote in message ... Eureka! (sorry, couldn't resist) Hey, I was just about to say that! Another method, is just to assume an average density of 1000 kg/m^3 so if the body weighs, say, 80kg the volume must be fairly close to 80 litres. Anyway, why does the OP want to know? Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which isl be a menace to society. Does that mean you need a new gimp suit? -- geoff |
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In message , RichardS
writes "IMM" wrote in message ... "Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Gordon Henderson" wrote in message ... Eureka! (sorry, couldn't resist) Hey, I was just about to say that! Another method, is just to assume an average density of 1000 kg/m^3 so if the body weighs, say, 80kg the volume must be fairly close to 80 litres. Anyway, why does the OP want to know? Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which isl be a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror -- geoff |
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In message , John Powell
writes Even John Reid admitted that for some people smoking is their only pleasure. Talking of which , I gave up smoking today So having stated that in public, I'll look a right tit if I don't succeed (so if posts get more ratty than normal, you know why) -- geoff |
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In article , raden
writes In message , John Powell writes Even John Reid admitted that for some people smoking is their only pleasure. Talking of which , I gave up smoking today So having stated that in public, I'll look a right tit if I don't succeed (so if posts get more ratty than normal, you know why) My grandmother did her cold-turkey at the age of 80 after smoking 40 a day plus a bottle of whisky a week - then lived for another 10 years. She never drank coffee though - ? significant. -- Andrew |
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"hudsterou" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "IMM" wrote in message ... Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. If you'd been at Camelot last weekend you wouldn't think that. Camelot theme park? Or Camelot the people who run the national lottery? The former. |
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"Chris" ] wrote in message
]... How could the volume of a person be found? I mean using DIY methods, rather than laboratory facilities! Submerge person in bath. Mark water level. Get person out of bath. Fill with water to same level, measuring amount needed. |
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Andy Hall wrote:
I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. |
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In article , Jerry Built wrote:
Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) it's contracted out to the lowest tenderer who probably sends along someone different each month who may or may not have any pride in their work and sense of 'ownership' of their patch. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
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On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built
wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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In article , Andy Hall
writes On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... -- Tony Sayer |
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In message , Huge
writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service -- geoff |
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In message , John Stumbles
writes "Chris" ] wrote in message ]... How could the volume of a person be found? I mean using DIY methods, rather than laboratory facilities! Submerge person in bath. Mark water level. Get person out of bath. Fill with water to same level, measuring amount needed. How exactly ? returning to the original level by removing e.g. a litre jug's worth at a time? -- geoff |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:17:07 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Huge writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service The trouble is that the service is horrendous and the cost to the taxpayer even more horrendous. I would like to know where the countless thousands that I contribute to this each year (employer and employee contributions) actually go.... It doesn't end up at the point of delivery in any way that I find useful. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:21:31 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... Hmm.... well having had recent experience of a family member needing quite major abdominal surgery, we came rapidly to the opposite conclusion. One of the major concerns of the two surgeons (and we are talking eminent FRS and equivalent) was the risk of post operative infection in a ward situation of the local NHS hospital. I might believe that the NHS has something to offer in A&E because of scale , or could if the facilities were not so appallingly tatty and if the staff didn't have an attitude that they are doing one a favour. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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John Stumbles wrote:
"Chris" ] wrote in message ]... How could the volume of a person be found? I mean using DIY methods, rather than laboratory facilities! Submerge person in bath. Mark water level. Get person out of bath. Fill with water to same level, measuring amount needed. And then comes the question of whether the volume includes or excludes the volume of the lungs. I think the person being submerged will argue for the former rather strenuously. |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:37:30 UTC, Ian Stirling
wrote: And then comes the question of whether the volume includes or excludes the volume of the lungs. I think the person being submerged will argue for the former rather strenuously. That's why (a long way back, near the start of this thread) I argued for sealing all orifices with gaffer tape. And using IMM as the subject... -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... At the end of the day it's the same consultants. Only in the private sector you can guarantee it IS the consultant who does the whole job, not just starts you off and checks his underlings have sewn things up right at the end But key thing is infections. NHS hospitals are filthy, private ones aren't. Given that 5 to 10,000 people die of infections picked up in hospitals each year I know where I prefer. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service Hmm. British Telecom before Mrs T - 6 months to wait for a (noisy) phone. British Telecom after Mrs T - 2 days to wait for a good phone plus many alternatives. Electricity companies before Mrs T - overcharged. Electricity companies after Mrs T - highly competive pricing. British made cars before Mrs T - unreliable, expensive. British made cars after Mrs T - even Vauxhalls work reliably and are actually proportionally cheaper. Restuarants before Mrs T - crap and utter crap. Restaurants after Mrs T - more top quality places than anywhere other than France |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"IMM" wrote in message ... Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. If you'd been at Camelot last weekend you wouldn't think that. Well, it's only to be expected, with their diet. Ham and Jam and Spamalot. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:21:31 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. J.B. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... Hmm.... well having had recent experience of a family member needing quite major abdominal surgery, we came rapidly to the opposite conclusion. One of the major concerns of the two surgeons (and we are talking eminent FRS and equivalent) was the risk of post operative infection in a ward situation of the local NHS hospital. I might believe that the NHS has something to offer in A&E because of scale , or could if the facilities were not so appallingly tatty and if the staff didn't have an attitude that they are doing one a favour. Of course what you say is all tripe. |
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"G&M" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote in message ... were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service Hit the nail on the head. Hmm. British Telecom before Mrs T - 6 months to wait for a (noisy) phone. British Telecom after Mrs T - 2 days to wait for a good phone plus many alternatives. After Mrs T complaints rocket about service and its quality.. Electricity companies before Mrs T - overcharged. Electricity companies after Mrs T - highly competive pricing. With appalling serive. You get what you pay for. British made cars before Mrs T - unreliable, expensive. British made cars after Mrs T - even Vauxhalls work reliably and are actually proportionally cheaper. After Mrs T virtually no British car industry. Most "British" made cars rebadged Continental makes. Restuarants before Mrs T - crap and utter crap. Restaurants after Mrs T - more top quality places than anywhere other than France No accounting for taste. I never saw any quality in Chesterfield at all. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Huge writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service Good one Maxie. Clear thinking. Amazing what some R&R can do. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 27 Jul 2004 11:53:24 -0000, Jerry Built wrote: Andy Hall wrote: I would far rather make my own choices regarding where I buy my healthcare rather than having an inefficient state system with filthy hospitals do it for me. Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. Not by me, it isn't. I wouldn't go near an NHS hospital if I could possibly avoid it. Please keep away and waste your money on paying twice and on super expensive power tools that stay in the cupboard most of the year. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Gordon Henderson" wrote in message ... Eureka! (sorry, couldn't resist) Hey, I was just about to say that! Another method, is just to assume an average density of 1000 kg/m^3 so if the body weighs, say, 80kg the volume must be fairly close to 80 litres. Anyway, why does the OP want to know? Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which isl be a menace to society. Does that mean you need a new gimp suit? Maxie, is that what you used on R&R. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , RichardS writes "IMM" wrote in message ... "Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Gordon Henderson" wrote in message ... Eureka! (sorry, couldn't resist) Hey, I was just about to say that! Another method, is just to assume an average density of 1000 kg/m^3 so if the body weighs, say, 80kg the volume must be fairly close to 80 litres. Anyway, why does the OP want to know? Obesity is big problem. The government is outlawing it by restricting the fatty foods fatties eat. Soon fatties will be totally out of order for being what they are - which is a menace to society. Define obesity. /me looks at self in mirror Maxie, you a menace. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Grunff" wrote in message ... Bob Eager wrote: But make sure you seal up all orifices first - gaffer tape will do... I suggest IMM as a subject... If IMM is doing it, he could just wear his gimp suit. No gaffer tape required. What's a gimp suit? Is this trendy around your way? It's that thing hanging up next to the handcuffs and whip in your wardrobe My God Maxie! Did they allow you to take them through customs? |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , John Powell writes Even John Reid admitted that for some people smoking is their only pleasure. Pleasure?? The pleasure is perceived. It is the relief of the withdrawal symptoms of the drug nicotine. The working class smoke more per capita than any other class. Many actually think it is a luxury and pleasurable. It is neither. It is difficult to get the working class to adopt a healthy lifestyle. Is Mr Reads constituency predominantly working class? If smoking was banned in pubs he may loose votes. Politics is a dirty game. Talking of which , I gave up smoking today So having stated that in public, I'll look a right tit if I don't succeed (so if posts get more ratty than normal, you know why) Maxie, so the combination of you being just you, the Far East R&R wearing off and craving for a drug means you will get worse than what you are? |
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"G&M" wrote in message ... "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Well I was talking to a very senior nursing manager the other week, a friend of my first wife, who has been in both the NHS and the private sector and she still swears that NHS treatment is superior medically. Of course you get a lot more attention in the private sector, but she was adamant that if anything was seriously wrong with her then NHS it will be!... At the end of the day it's the same consultants. Only in the private sector you can guarantee it IS the consultant who does the whole job, not just starts you off and checks his underlings have sewn things up right at the end But key thing is infections. NHS hospitals are filthy, private ones aren't. Nonsense. You have been reading the Daily Mail. People like you are easy to condition. Given that 5 to 10,000 people die of infections picked up in hospitals each year I know where I prefer. "hospitals". There are infections in private hospitals as germs don't know the difference. One thing about a private hospital. Don't get seriously sick at night. They don't have 24 hour cover. You may find yourself being sent to the local NHS hospital if you take a serious turn for the worse. They have a good wine list though. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:17:07 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Huge writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service The trouble is that the service is horrendous and the cost to the taxpayer even more horrendous. I would like to know where the countless thousands that I contribute to this each year (employer and employee contributions) actually go.... It doesn't end up at the point of delivery in any way that I find useful. How do you know? You go to a private one. Nice wine list eh? |
OT - How could the volume of a person be found?
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:15:13 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:17:07 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Huge writes Tony Bryer writes: In article , Jerry Built wrote: Our "inefficient state system with filthy hospitals" is relied upon by private healthcare providers in many, many cases. I suspect that this is the key problem. When cleaners were directly employed by the hospital you probably had the same person looking after the same areas for year on year and if the required standards were not met the person concerned could be tackled. Now (by order of Mrs T?) Who has now been out of power longer than she was in it, and can only be blamed for things by the most rabid of bigots. She set the precedent, and ever since then there's been an obsession with providing the cheapest rather than a best service The trouble is that the service is horrendous and the cost to the taxpayer even more horrendous. I would like to know where the countless thousands that I contribute to this each year (employer and employee contributions) actually go.... It doesn't end up at the point of delivery in any way that I find useful. How do you know? You go to a private one. Nice wine list eh? Periodically I have attempted to use the NHS. For one reason or another it fails to deliver..... Waiting for appointments, cancellations, inadequate time with consultants, waiting again for follow up appointments, filthy environments,.... the catalogue is endless. I don't want to pay for that nonsense. Simple. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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