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Homer2911 wrote:
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Is anything? My daughter informs me that it's nowhere near as good as it's
made out to be.

Si

"Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in message
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Homer2911 wrote:
Just asking like

Is anything? My daughter informs me that it's nowhere near as good as it's
made out to be.

OK, I give in,what is it?

Mary

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:38:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

OK, I give in,what is it?

Thanks Mary. If you didn't ask I was going to have to

Anna


~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England
|""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs
/ ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
|____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642

"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:38:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

OK, I give in,what is it?

Thanks Mary. If you didn't ask I was going to have to

But I haven't seen a reply ... :-(

I gather that it's a proprietary cleaner but from what Si said about his
daughter's comment I expected it to be something for Young People. The two
don't usually go together :-)

Mary

Anna


~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England
|""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs
/ ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
|____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:38:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

OK, I give in,what is it?

Thanks Mary. If you didn't ask I was going to have to

But I haven't seen a reply ... :-(

I gather that it's a proprietary cleaner but from what Si said about
his daughter's comment I expected it to be something for Young
People. The two don't usually go together :-)


It's claimed to be a miraculous cleaning product. It isn't.

My daughter is the cadet sergeant at the local St.John ambulance unit and
she used Cillit Bang (which even she calls clit bang) to clean the St.John
beach "hut" recently.

Don't worry Mary, she only cleans when asked to - she's not a freak

Si

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:38:39 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

OK, I give in,what is it?

Check this out:

http://www.luckykazoo.com/media/2005...ang-remix.html

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:19:21 +0100, "Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:


Is anything? My daughter informs me that it's nowhere near as good as it's
made out to be.

In the advert they dip a copper coin into the solution to clean it.

However, on the bottle it apparently says not suitable for use with
copper.

Graham

wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:19:21 +0100, "Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:


Is anything? My daughter informs me that it's nowhere near as good as
it's
made out to be.

In the advert they dip a copper coin into the solution to clean it.

However, on the bottle it apparently says not suitable for use with
copper.



amusingly, small captions have started appearing on the bottom of these
demonstrations.

IIRC, the copper coin demo (which lasts all of 3 seconds on the screen) has
the caption "15 minutes".

And another caption which I think is from this product says "stubborn
deposits may require scrubbing".

Which is strange, cos the advert makes it all look so easy..... g


--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:19:14 GMT, wrote:

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:19:21 +0100, "Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:


Is anything? My daughter informs me that it's nowhere near as good as it's
made out to be.

In the advert they dip a copper coin into the solution to clean it.

However, on the bottle it apparently says not suitable for use with
copper.

That's because copper coins aren't copper, afaik.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:16:30 UTC, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

: That's because copper coins aren't copper, afaik.

Copper plated steel, these days.

Ian


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Ian Johnston wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:16:30 UTC, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

That's because copper coins aren't copper, afaik.

Copper plated steel, these days.


There's some fun to be had with two 2p coins and a magnet - find one which
is copper and one which is steel. Use a magnet to show someone that a 2p
coin can be picked up with a magnet then switch the coins and let them try
it.

Si

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:16:30 GMT, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

That's because copper coins aren't copper, afaik.

They used to be bronze, now they're copper over steel. As far as the
surface goes, they still clean as for copper.

Cillit bang is useful stuff, but it's well overpriced and you can buy
the same thing much more cheaply without the brand name.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:16:30 GMT, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

That's because copper coins aren't copper, afaik.

They used to be bronze, now they're copper over steel. As far as the
surface goes, they still clean as for copper.

Cillit bang is useful stuff, but it's well overpriced and you can buy
the same thing much more cheaply without the brand name.

Last week I accidentally splashed a copper pitcher which hasn't been cleaned
for thirty or so years with Harpic lime scale remover. The effct was
amazing, spots of the classic salmon pink pure metal showed. I made a very
weak solution and immersed the whole item in it, it worked like a dream.

Somewhere I have some Brasso ...

Mary

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:34:22 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

Cillit bang is useful stuff, but it's well overpriced and you can buy
the same thing much more cheaply without the brand name.

So what is the non-brand name stuff sold as?

It's certainly not the same as limescale remover as we did a
comparason test between Viakal and Cillit and the cillit was better.

"Homer2911" wrote in message
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No idea, but
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badsc...403982,00.html
pulls apart a bit of the 'science' in their ads.

"Homer2911" wrote in message
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I thought it was pretty useless. Nothing like the advert!

Homer2911 wrote:
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It's a stupid name! Makes me think of a certain part of the female anatomy.


/Heds

In message . com,
Homer2911 wrote


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I will not be buying a second bottle.


--
Alan

Alan wrote :-

I will not be buying a second bottle.

Nor me

but i s'pose if they make £1 clear profit on each bottle and a million
people try it ..............

Regards Jeff

In message . com,
Homer2911 writes
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It's got rid of the grubbiness on my shower base which other cleaners,
including bleach, couldnt.

Contrary to everyone else's thoughts, I think it's OK.

--
Richard Faulkner

Contrary to everyone else's thoughts, I think it's OK.

I've tried it too and I'd agree.

There are two types, one for bathrooms which has an acidic base to
remove limescale and one which is a degreaser - I'm especially
impressed with the latter.

They only advertise one on the telly, saw both in Makro.

Dave

Richard Faulkner wrote in news:QqM
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It's got rid of the grubbiness on my shower base which other cleaners,
including bleach, couldnt.

Contrary to everyone else's thoughts, I think it's OK.


Me too; not as good as it claims, but *far* better thaan any other alleged
general purpose cleaner IMO

mike

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:11:55 +0100, Richard Faulkner
wrote:

In message . com,
Homer2911 writes
Just asking like


It's got rid of the grubbiness on my shower base which other cleaners,
including bleach, couldnt.

If you washed yourself with Cilit Bang you wouldn't get any grubbiness
on the shower base and you would need to clean it.

(:-)

Graham

On 4 Apr 2005 10:08:04 -0700, "Homer2911"
babbled like a waterfall and said:

Just asking like

No, it's rubbish, based on the adverts.

On 4 Apr 2005 10:08:04 -0700, "Homer2911" wrote:

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We have found it *excellent* at removing limescale..makes your fingers
sting, though.

Also good for removing surface rust!

sPoniX

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

On 4 Apr 2005 10:08:04 -0700, "Homer2911" wrote:


Just asking like


We have found it *excellent* at removing limescale..makes your fingers
sting, though.

Also good for removing surface rust!


Phosphoric acid probably then.

Just about any acid is excellent at removing limescale.

sPoniX

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Also good for removing surface rust!

Phosphoric acid probably then.

Phosphoric acid won't remove rust at all. Instead it converts it to
phosphides. If you've already wire brushed it to remove the bulk,
then this might give you a useful surface for painting, but it's
_stabilisation_, rather than removal.

The best acid for careful de-rusting is citric. Sulphamic acid, as
used in most descalers, isn't bad either. Hydrochloric (aka muriatic
or brick acid) is pretty lousy in comparison.

But if you really want to de-rust, use electrolysis. Easy and the
results are vastly better.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


Also good for removing surface rust!

Phosphoric acid probably then.


Phosphoric acid won't remove rust at all. Instead it converts it to
phosphides. If you've already wire brushed it to remove the bulk,
then this might give you a useful surface for painting, but it's
_stabilisation_, rather than removal.

The best acid for careful de-rusting is citric. Sulphamic acid, as
used in most descalers, isn't bad either. Hydrochloric (aka muriatic
or brick acid) is pretty lousy in comparison.

But if you really want to de-rust, use electrolysis. Easy and the
results are vastly better.


That's very likely to be based on relative concentrations though, HCl
is a strong acid compaired to phosphoric which is a weaker acid. However
at an increased concentration H3PO4 will have and increased amount of
H+ ions and therefore will be more reactive with limescale. You could
use Ka values and such to work out how reactive things are but I can't
be bothered to rememeber my A-Level chemistry at this hour :P.

--
Regards,
Aaron.

"Aaron" wrote in message
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


Also good for removing surface rust!

Phosphoric acid probably then.


Phosphoric acid won't remove rust at all. Instead it converts it to
phosphides. If you've already wire brushed it to remove the bulk,
then this might give you a useful surface for painting, but it's
_stabilisation_, rather than removal. The best acid for careful
de-rusting is citric. Sulphamic acid, as
used in most descalers, isn't bad either. Hydrochloric (aka muriatic
or brick acid) is pretty lousy in comparison.

But if you really want to de-rust, use electrolysis. Easy and the
results are vastly better.


That's very likely to be based on relative concentrations though, HCl
is a strong acid compaired to phosphoric which is a weaker acid. However
at an increased concentration H3PO4 will have and increased amount of
H+ ions and therefore will be more reactive with limescale. You could
use Ka values and such to work out how reactive things are but I can't
be bothered to rememeber my A-Level chemistry at this hour :P.

Apparently not. To say that hydrochloric acid is a 'strong' acid and
phosphoric is 'weak' wthout stating relative concentrations is meaningless.

Mary

--
Regards,
Aaron.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Also good for removing surface rust!


Phosphoric acid probably then.

Dunno what it is but try rubbing a rusty bit of metal with fine wire
wool and cillit!

sponix

Homer2911 wrote:

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Of course it isn't.

Its a fancey name for waterred d=own poofed up basic chemicals at 20
times the price.

By teh chemicals instead.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Homer2911 wrote:

Just asking like

Of course it isn't.

Its a fancey name for waterred d=own poofed up basic chemicals at 20 times
the price.

By teh chemicals instead.

This is one of your posts you don't want to be taken seriously I take it
since you can't be arsed to make corrections and make communication
efficient.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course it isn't.

Its a fancey name for waterred d=own poofed up basic chemicals at 20
times the price.

By teh chemicals instead.

Which chemicals? Where would one buy them? Suppliers of bulk chemicals
are often reluctant to supply Joe Public.

There used to be a US-based website which sold recipes for domestic
cleaners and empty bottles. The idea was that you bought the chemicals
in bulk and mixed them according to what type of cleaner you wanted by
following the recipe. It's shut down now, so I assume they weren't
making a pile of $ from it.

Aidan wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Of course it isn't.

Its a fancey name for waterred d=own poofed up basic chemicals at 20
times the price.

By teh chemicals instead.


Which chemicals? Where would one buy them? Suppliers of bulk chemicals
are often reluctant to supply Joe Public.

There used to be a US-based website which sold recipes for domestic
cleaners and empty bottles. The idea was that you bought the chemicals
in bulk and mixed them according to what type of cleaner you wanted by
following the recipe. It's shut down now, so I assume they weren't
making a pile of $ from it.

Our hardware store sells most stuff.

I have so far got:-

Hydrochloric acod (brick patio cleaner)
Sulphuric acid (drain cleaner, car battery acid)
caustic soda (drain unblocker etc. Works as good as Mr Muscle on burnt fat)
Ammonia (window cleaning)
Acetic acid (vinegar)
Sulphamic and other organic acids (bulk sold as descalers)
Raw detergent (industral cleaning)
Sodium hypchlorite (bleach)

Did you know you can make your won Swarfega from paraffin and washing up
liquid? the BEST ever way to clean oily grime off things...

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Did you know you can make your won Swarfega from paraffin and washing
up liquid? the BEST ever way to clean oily grime off things...

Is that what it's based on? That's interesting.

Si

"Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in message
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Did you know you can make your won Swarfega from paraffin and washing
up liquid? the BEST ever way to clean oily grime off things...

Is that what it's based on? That's interesting.

It's not, the diy recipe was suggested to us in the late 1960s. We tried it,
it stank and wasn't as efficient as the proprietory stuff.

Spouse prefers Manuka (?) now anyway.

Mary

Si

Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Did you know you can make your won Swarfega from paraffin and washing
up liquid? the BEST ever way to clean oily grime off things...


Is that what it's based on? That's interesting.


I have no idea what is actually in it, but green fairy liquid and
parafin mixed together look exactly the same and behave exactly the same.

I used to clean my hands after a good 'car operation' session by dowsing
in paraffin, then washing the paraffin off with washing up liquid.

One day I mixed the two together..and got a strangely familiar jelly
like substance....

Si

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Did you know you can make your won Swarfega from paraffin and washing
up
liquid? the BEST ever way to clean oily grime off things...

I think you may mean "...you can make your won Gunk/Jizer from
paraffin...".
Gunk and Jizer are for cleaning oily grime off things, Swarfega is a
hand cleaner, I believe. Paraffin & other such oil fuels are absorbed
through the skin and you should avoid skin contact.

"Aidan" wrote in message
I think you may mean "...you can make your won Gunk/Jizer from
paraffin...".
Gunk and Jizer are for cleaning oily grime off things, Swarfega is a
hand cleaner, I believe. Paraffin & other such oil fuels are absorbed
through the skin and you should avoid skin contact.

Yes, but when this diy stuff was first suggested most washing up liquid was
green and you ended up with something which LOOKED a bit like Swarfega so
people were duped into thinking it would be the same.

Mary