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wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears |
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They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant
find them. Regards Phredd wrote: wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears |
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Many years ago, I bought a number of "square" sockets from Sear's
discount tool bin. I think I paid a quarter each for them. Don't have the foggiest clue as to why I bought them - never have had a use for them. I guess the price (cheap) and the tool-affliction I was born with had something to do with it. Never have seen them since, although I have never really looked. Don't really shop at Sears very much any more. |
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Got my last ones off the Snap-On truck. If you need them for running
in taps or square headed set screws just use a 12 point. Between metric and SAE there always seems to be one that fits well enough. =============== Leon McAtee |
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Fred May wrote:
They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant find them. Regards Phredd wrote: wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... Michelle |
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message ... On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote: four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? Just about everyone. I have a whole bunch of them in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" sizes. . The thing I'm having trouble finding is the hex drive ratchet .... Chuckle! Harold |
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Wright Tool used to make them, as well as a tool called a Bonney
wrench, in several sizes. The 8-pointers are common from Craftsman. Heads-up: Craftsman has an industrial catalog with sometimes better pricing and many tools not available at the retail outlets. They are very coy about giving the catalogs out but usually the local A&P school has their 800 number. |
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Snap-on does indeed have them and they are 4 point (for those who insist
that they don't exist). I have used them for years to remove filler plugs on manual transmissions and the like. Also work like a champ on square nuts used for fences. Dale Alexander four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... Michelle |
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:04:44 GMT, Michelle
wrote: Fred May wrote: They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant find them. Regards Phredd wrote: wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... Michelle There were several sizes of square sockets supplied for adjusting brakes - Lockheed or Girling IIRC. My old Mini required one of them. Can't remember which other odball car I owned required another (different sized). The 8 poit Craftsman sockets worked if the adjusters were well lubed and not started to seize. |
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Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. -- Stephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? |
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Stephen wrote:
I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Was your Dodge made by our friends south of the border? :^) (just joking) The Monk |
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It was on the motor mount, I figured out it didn't have to come off anyways;
but I was tempted to remove it anyways and put on a real one just to have that one. Looked like one of those practical joke tools. -- Stephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ "Flyingmonk" wrote in message oups.com... Stephen wrote: I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Was your Dodge made by our friends south of the border? :^) (just joking) The Monk |
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"Stephen H" wrote in message ... Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Oh, hell. I guess I had better get prepared for that! Where at (the bolt) and what year? -- Jim in NC |
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older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same direction the cam did) Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet! -- Stephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Stephen H" wrote in message ... Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Oh, hell. I guess I had better get prepared for that! Where at (the bolt) and what year? -- Jim in NC |
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"Stephen H" wrote in message ... older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same direction the cam did) Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet! Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I would end up using! g Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all! -- Jim in NC |
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On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:
four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-)) I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather then getting the nut off. Good luck, Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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In article , Roger says...
Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-)) They use those on tractor biplanes.... Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote: Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Probably needed a Torx socket. These are becoming more common slowly. I know that Briggs and Techumseh are using them on carb bolts now. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm |
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Roger wrote: On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote: four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-)) I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather then getting the nut off. Good luck, Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com I don't know about more modern cars, but on my old Studebakers there's quite a few pipe plugs that have square heads. nate |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote: Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Fire hydrant ? |
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My wave has a 5 point security bit Andy Dingley wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" wrote: Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Fire hydrant ? |
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I need one recently. (8pt 5/16" in 3/8 drive)
Sears, available online for $2.99 but $5 shipping Grainger, available for $3.xx (maybe even $2.xx) but... McMaster, available for $4.xx but I had a McMaster order already building so I went with them. Got a chrome ArmStrong socket. Jay |
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"Fred May" wrote in message news:PGAuf.5198$WX3.947@trndny09... They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant find them. Regards Phredd wrote: wrote in message oups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears Phredd sed: "perhaps that is why you cant find them" Just like I said "A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set". Alex seems to have the same set. Is there a problem? |
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According to Roger :
On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote: four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-)) If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat".
Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2" drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone except for the one I kept. Chuck P. |
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Morgans wrote:
"Stephen H" wrote in message ... older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same direction the cam did) Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet! Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I would end up using! g Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all! BF oxy acetylene, LF dremel |
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What're BF, BFH and LF?
The Monk |
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Flyingmonk wrote:
What're BF, BFH and LF? The Monk Well B is big, F is not for polite conversation, H is hammer, L is little. Hope this (F) helps |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote: Andy Dingley wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" wrote: Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Fire hydrant ? Leatherman Multitools My wave has a 5 point security bit 5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries. Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls on the freeway at speed... (And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.) Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't. It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things. Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor. I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P -- Bruce -- -- Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. |
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It sure (F) cleared things up for me :^)
The Monk |
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You weren't trying to loosen the hood ornament were you? ;-)
Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. -- Stephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ wrote in message roups.com... four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? |
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MOP CAP wrote: This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat". Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2" drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone except for the one I kept. Chuck P. I ended up with a complete set of (as in every 8 point socket Craftsman makes) many years ago now. I have them all together on one of those 'socket rail' gimmicks hanging way up on the back edge of the peg board. I probably on average have a use for any of them every other year or so, but can recall them 'saving the day' a few times... mostly dealing with old square head lag bolts, and turning big 1/2" easy outs doing plumbing work. A good friend/neighbor had borrowed and used them more than I have, but doing the same kind of things. They're probably at least 30 plus years old now, and still look new... The 'lead in chamfers' are a bit excessive on most of them... seems every time I do use them I think I'd like to do something about that. Erik |
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That Makes sense.
Steve "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion wrote: Andy Dingley wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H" wrote: Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Fire hydrant ? Leatherman Multitools My wave has a 5 point security bit 5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries. Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls on the freeway at speed... (And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.) Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't. It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things. Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor. I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P -- Bruce -- -- Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. |
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