I'm reading the newsgroup using Google, and it's to my frustration that
every few days ALL of the posted threads vanish!

What gives! Is Google this screwed up? Perhaps it's time that they
paid the money and hired a few experienced professionals to run their
newsgroup operation, rather than the clueless hacks that they evidently
now employ!

Harry C.

On 14 Mar 2005 08:55:36 -0800, wrote:

I'm reading the newsgroup using Google,

Why? Get yourself a newsreader access a server.
If your ISP doesn't have one, subscribe to a public server.

Can you suggest a full coverage public newsgroup reader that is both
not expensive $$ and doesn't have bizarre listing/flitering of the
posted threads? (I've tried three, at prices between free and $20 per
month, but their listing sequences and threading were so very strange
that I couldn't deal with them.)

What I would prefer is a source with a news machine that provides the
equivalent of a UNIX TIN newsreader, but evidently no one is offering
this.

Harry C.

wrote:
Can you suggest a full coverage public newsgroup reader that is both
not expensive $$ and doesn't have bizarre listing/flitering of the
posted threads? (I've tried three, at prices between free and $20 per
month, but their listing sequences and threading were so very strange
that I couldn't deal with them.)

What I would prefer is a source with a news machine that provides the
equivalent of a UNIX TIN newsreader, but evidently no one is offering
this.

Harry C.

Well, if you want, panix.com has telnet/ssh only shell accounts where you
can use tin, rn, trn, and several other unix newsreaders for $10/mo or
$100/yr. They don't carry all the newsgroups, but they carry all big 8
and any additional ones that the users request.
Todd

On 14 Mar 2005 10:05:35 -0800, wrote:

Can you suggest a full coverage public newsgroup reader that is both
not expensive $$ and doesn't have bizarre listing/flitering of the
posted threads? (I've tried three, at prices between free and $20 per
month, but their listing sequences and threading were so very strange
that I couldn't deal with them.)

News servers don't sequence or thread posts. Your newsreader does
that. What were you reading from them with?

What I would prefer is a source with a news machine that provides the
equivalent of a UNIX TIN newsreader, but evidently no one is offering
this.

News servers don't offer anything but the raw posts. All the
sequencing is done by your newsreader. I use Agent. It will sort posts
by thread, by time of receipt or by author.

John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web provide
access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck with the
limitations of their newsreader.

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Harry C.

On 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, wrote:

John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web provide
access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck with the
limitations of their newsreader.

You mean like AOL? I wouldn't touch one of those with a ten foot pole!
Besides, who says you have to use their newsreader? Or their install
their software just because you bought their service?

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Go he http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Comcast should have their own news server available to you as a
customer. Or for 10 Euros a year ($13 US) you can sign up with the
German server at http://news.individual.net

wrote:
... I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast)...

I also have Comcast cable ISP and my service includes access to
Giganews. Giganews is great as far as retention goes - currently
150,000 posts over 630 days for RCM! Of course your service may not
include this, but you should check. I use Mozilla Thunderbird reader
and it's all I would want (and free).

Bob

On 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, wrote:

John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web provide
access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck with the
limitations of their newsreader.

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Harry C.


Try giganews.com. I've been using them for 4 1/2 years haven't had any
problems. I started using them when I got ****ed off with my isp's news
servers going down regularly. Ditched that isp later, but kept with giganews.


Mark Rand (usual disclaimers)
RTFM

Mark Rand wrote:
On 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, wrote:

John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web
provide access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck
with the limitations of their newsreader.

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it
with? (I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I
believe is limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Harry C.


Try giganews.com. I've been using them for 4 1/2 years haven't had any
problems. I started using them when I got ****ed off with my isp's
news servers going down regularly. Ditched that isp later, but kept
with giganews.

news.individual.net
Germany based, but available to worldwide AFAIK

they've recently changed from free to 10euros (=10US$?) PA, but well worth
it.

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BigEgg

On 14 Mar 2005 10:05:35 -0800, wrote:

Can you suggest a full coverage public newsgroup reader that is both
not expensive $$ and doesn't have bizarre listing/flitering of the
posted threads? (I've tried three, at prices between free and $20 per
month, but their listing sequences and threading were so very strange
that I couldn't deal with them.)

What I would prefer is a source with a news machine that provides the
equivalent of a UNIX TIN newsreader, but evidently no one is offering
this.

Harry C.

OT OT

Do they still have a "news feed/ticker tape" type system? Ya know
they go juch jucchh juch jucth. That would be cool to watch once in
awhile.

I worked at a TV and radio station when JL of the F4 was gunned down
25 yrs. ago. I walked by the room the machine was in and it was making
unusual noises so I went in and read as it came in maybe 5 mins.
after. After the machine settled down I took the print out maybe 2
hours worth and like everything else I've had it got ripped. Bet that
would be worth some bucks today.

Anyhow, is news feed out like that now days? Ya know say during 911
you'd have the NYT type first what they thought was going on and then
CNN the next second and then other news companies jumping in ect. Kind
of like the news at the bottom of some TV news the typed stream, but
from everybody.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, hhc314 wrote:

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)


Harry,

Comcast has news servers. I'm not a Comcast customer, but a quick perusal
of their website resulted in this:
http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/inde...cat=Newsgroups

They only officially support Outlook Express (typical), but they say you
can use any client. Agent is good. I use Pan under Linux. There are
others, of course.

By the way, TCP/IP is the protocol suite that connects systems on the
Internet. It is not a limitation - it is the foundation of the 'Net.
NNTP (Network News Transport Protocol) runs on top of TCP/IP, and is what
all standards-compliant news servers and news readers use.

-Ron

"Ron DeBlock" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, hhc314 wrote:

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)


Harry,

Comcast has news servers. I'm not a Comcast customer, but a quick perusal
of their website resulted in this:
http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/inde...cat=Newsgroups

They only officially support Outlook Express (typical), but they say you
can use any client. Agent is good. I use Pan under Linux. There are
others, of course.

By the way, TCP/IP is the protocol suite that connects systems on the
Internet. It is not a limitation - it is the foundation of the 'Net.
NNTP (Network News Transport Protocol) runs on top of TCP/IP, and is what
all standards-compliant news servers and news readers use.

-Ron


At least in our area (Seattle) -- I think elsewhere also, Comcast has
switched
from their own news servers to giganews for the news server (a month or two
back if I remember correctly). And yes, TCP/IP is the life blood of the
internet - everything (well almost) rides on top of that protocol.

mikey

On 14 Mar 2005 11:23:49 -0800, wrote:

John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web provide
access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck with the
limitations of their newsreader.

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Harry C.



http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php


Jim

I also am suffering w/ the "new and improved" Google. I surf
rec.crafts.metalworking via Google during lunch at work and my employer
does not allow direct access to newsgroups. Even though the new Google
Beta sucks, the surfing speed is so much faster than using dial-up at
home.

On 15 Mar 2005 09:13:41 -0800, wrote:

I also am suffering w/ the "new and improved" Google. I surf
rec.crafts.metalworking via Google during lunch at work and my employer
does not allow direct access to newsgroups.

How does he prevent it?

The "commercial" newsservers like Google do use their own reader program
because they are working through the web page protocol rather than the
newsgroup protocol. As a result, you use your regular web browser to read
the newsgroups as pages. The newsgroup protocol is different as the server
is doing a specific job of providing the posts as such to your
email/newsgroup program.
I really haven't heard of any ISP providers that don't provide access to the
newsgroup system although many suppliers don't provide all of the various
newsgroups out there. If you ISP doesn't provide for newsgroup access, it
would be interesting to know who is doing your ISP service.
I've been using the "standard" Microcrud Outlook Express for email and
newsgroup access. I leave the viewing setting to see only unread posts and
my server keeps access to older posts for about a month. Google should be
keeping all of the old posts as that was the standard for the service that
they bought for their service.

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In article . com,
wrote:
Can you suggest a full coverage public newsgroup reader that is both
not expensive $$ and doesn't have bizarre listing/flitering of the
posted threads? (I've tried three, at prices between free and $20 per
month, but their listing sequences and threading were so very strange
that I couldn't deal with them.)

What I would prefer is a source with a news machine that provides the
equivalent of a UNIX TIN newsreader, but evidently no one is offering
this.

The newsreader is a function of your local machine, not the
machine on which the news server is running.

If you like TIN, install linux or openbsd on a partition, and
use it to access newsgroups at a real server.

And TIN *is* free, as are several other unix-based newsreaders,
including my own favorite, strn. (You may have to download it in source
code format and compile it on your system if there is not a pre-compiled
port of it somewhere, but it is *your* choice.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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In article ,
John Ings wrote:
On 15 Mar 2005 09:13:41 -0800, wrote:

I also am suffering w/ the "new and improved" Google. I surf
rec.crafts.metalworking via Google during lunch at work and my employer
does not allow direct access to newsgroups.

How does he prevent it?

Well ... I'm not the one who said that, but it would be easy
enough to block the nntp ports at the firewall.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 15 Mar 2005 23:31:47 -0500, (DoN. Nichols)
wrote:

I also am suffering w/ the "new and improved" Google. I surf
rec.crafts.metalworking via Google during lunch at work and my employer
does not allow direct access to newsgroups.

How does he prevent it?

Well ... I'm not the one who said that, but it would be easy
enough to block the nntp ports at the firewall.

True, but I'm betting he just doesn't provide a news server.
In which case a public server would solve the problem.

wrote:
John, many of the commercial news servers available on the web provide
access by only their own newsreaders. Hence, you are stuck with the
limitations of their newsreader.

Agent sounds good, but what news server do you suggest to use it with?
(I'm using a high-speed cable connection (Comcast), which I believe is
limited to TCP/IP protocol.)

Harry C.


Hmmm,

I also have Comcast high speed cable, and I have no problem with my threads
disappearing every couple of days like you report having with Google.

The news server they use is newsgroups.comcast.net I use Thunderbird as my
newsreader.

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