"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:31:24 GMT, "David Moffitt"
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"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:11:56 GMT, "David Moffitt"
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"Cliff" wrote in message
news On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:44:05 GMT, "David Moffitt"
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"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:05 -0800, Robert Sturgeon
wrote:

Rights often result in a more difficult "enforcement
standpoint." We do not shade our respect for other rights
to make things easier for the police. If the government
refrains from infringing our right to keep and bear arms,
enforcement just might be a little tougher for the police;
but they exist to protect our rights. Letting our rights be
infringed for the sake of those whose duty it is to protect
our rights makes no sense.

In what way do you think that the police are to enforce
your "rights"?
Give you guns?

Enforcing your "rights" is not their business. Most of
that's a civil matter anyway.
--
Cliff

%%%% If I do not have "an individual right" why was I able to buy a
firearm
3 times in the past 3 weeks?

The NRA & the gunmakers have a strong lobby?
You are not too bright?

Why could you buy bread?

%%%% I can buy bread because I have "an individual right" to. )

It's in the Constitution and wingers & breadnutz go crazy
over it, right?

%%%% According to a leftard I'm familiar with it is part of the "life,
liberty and the presuit of happiness". )

So you don't actually need any 943rd amendment excuses for
buying regulated bread and acting like an idiot?

%%%% Sorry but you have confused with with an idiot leftard like you.


BTW, What do you think that that has to do with the subject?

%%%% Everything.

The subject was the police enforcing your rights.
You are again confused.

%%%% According to the header you are (shall we say) wrong.

According to the quoted bits you responded to you are
very confused G.

They might actually arrest you for all those guns
and/or your behaviors with them.

%%%% Why would they arrest a fellow FOP member?

Flocks of idiots?

%%%% Fraternal Order of Police.

Do they know that you are to get special privileges for
something tatooed on your tail end?

%%%% They honor the Constitution.


Shoot first, ask questions later, right?

%%%% When threatened with grevious bodily harm------- Yes.


Even liberal States frown on some perversions to
this day.

%%%% I live in a "Conservative" open carry state and not a liberal
gungrabber one.

That makes you a pervert?

%%%% How so?

Which perversions?

%%%% Are you having a leftard fantasy?

Packing guns?

%%%% No carrying. I see no reason to "pack" one unless I'm flying to some
shoot I'm attending.


"I stepped out of the bedroom on the second floor and shouted into the
darkness, 'I don't know who you are or what you want, but if you don't
get
the hell out of here I'm going to blow your ass off. And if you don't
believe me, listen to this.'
"With that I rammed a shell into the chamber of a shotgun. There is no
mistaking that sound. Within seconds the intruders, or whatever they
were,
had fled." -- Dan Rather in his 1977 book, The Camera Never Blinks.

"Or whatever they were"?
Did he shoot the dog?

%%%% He didn't write in his book that he did. You never know really the
thought of the gungrabber elite that thinks everyone except them should be
dis-armed.

In ancient Greece, the Spartan General Leonidas was charged with guarding a
mountain pass with just 300 men to delay the invading million man Persian
army. When the Persian leade Xerxes offered to spare his men if they gave up
their arms, Leonidas replied "Molon Lave", or "Come and get them."
--
Cliff

"Day Brown" wrote in message
...
there's this about the 2nd ammendment: remember Waco. Koresh and his
boys had lotsa automatic weapons. The LEO knew that, so they called in
the dudes with Tanks. You gonna buy tanks too? Hello? Owning assault
weapons is false security. The only thing that protects your right to
own a fire arm, and defend your own with it, is the consent of your
local voters, who will sit on a jury in case you are ever in court with
it.

I own a 12 guage pump. I know where the hacksaw is.

%%%% I own 4 of them. 2 have 20" open cylinder barrels.

If I need more than
that, I'll need more friends.

%%%% I have more of both.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:34:27 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:31:24 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:11:56 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message
news On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:44:05 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:05 -0800, Robert Sturgeon
wrote:

Rights often result in a more difficult "enforcement
standpoint." We do not shade our respect for other rights
to make things easier for the police. If the government
refrains from infringing our right to keep and bear arms,
enforcement just might be a little tougher for the police;
but they exist to protect our rights. Letting our rights be
infringed for the sake of those whose duty it is to protect
our rights makes no sense.

In what way do you think that the police are to enforce
your "rights"?
Give you guns?

Enforcing your "rights" is not their business. Most of
that's a civil matter anyway.
--
Cliff

%%%% If I do not have "an individual right" why was I able to buy a
firearm
3 times in the past 3 weeks?

The NRA & the gunmakers have a strong lobby?
You are not too bright?

Why could you buy bread?

%%%% I can buy bread because I have "an individual right" to. )

It's in the Constitution and wingers & breadnutz go crazy
over it, right?

%%%% According to a leftard I'm familiar with it is part of the "life,
liberty and the presuit of happiness". )

So you don't actually need any 943rd amendment excuses for
buying regulated bread and acting like an idiot?

%%%% Sorry but you have confused with with an idiot leftard like you.

So you have no excuses?
Interesting.

BTW, What do you think that that has to do with the subject?

%%%% Everything.

The subject was the police enforcing your rights.
You are again confused.

%%%% According to the header you are (shall we say) wrong.

According to the quoted bits you responded to you are
very confused G.

They might actually arrest you for all those guns
and/or your behaviors with them.

%%%% Why would they arrest a fellow FOP member?

Flocks of idiots?

%%%% Fraternal Order of Police.

Flocks of idiots.

Do they know that you are to get special privileges for
something tatooed on your tail end?

%%%% They honor the Constitution.

You had a flag tatooed there?
I can guess how they can tell that.

Not that the picture is nice.

Have you considered pants & a belt or suspenders?
Though you probably consider them newfangled liberal things.

Failing those, just use bear grease?

Shoot first, ask questions later, right?

%%%% When threatened with grevious bodily harm------- Yes.

So no questions. Right. Just any old paranoid winger or gunnut

Even liberal States frown on some perversions to
this day.

%%%% I live in a "Conservative" open carry state and not a liberal
gungrabber one.

That makes you a pervert?

%%%% How so?

Feel free to argue onwards.

Which perversions?

I can probably *guess* at a few but why don't you tell us?

%%%% Are you having a leftard fantasy?

Packing guns?

%%%% No carrying. I see no reason to "pack" one unless I'm flying to some
shoot I'm attending.

That's where the wings come in handy, right?


"I stepped out of the bedroom on the second floor and shouted into the
darkness, 'I don't know who you are or what you want, but if you don't
get
the hell out of here I'm going to blow your ass off. And if you don't
believe me, listen to this.'
"With that I rammed a shell into the chamber of a shotgun. There is no
mistaking that sound. Within seconds the intruders, or whatever they
were,
had fled." -- Dan Rather in his 1977 book, The Camera Never Blinks.

"Or whatever they were"?
Did he shoot the dog?

%%%% He didn't write in his book that he did. You never know really the
thought of the gungrabber elite that thinks everyone except them should be
dis-armed.

So you are clueless?

In ancient Greece, the Spartan General Leonidas was charged with guarding a
mountain pass with just 300 men to delay the invading million man Persian
army. When the Persian leade Xerxes offered to spare his men if they gave up
their arms, Leonidas replied "Molon Lave", or "Come and get them."

All dead, right?

--
Cliff


Learn to post.
--
Cliff

"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:34:27 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:31:24 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:11:56 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message
news On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:44:05 GMT, "David Moffitt"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:10:05 -0800, Robert Sturgeon
wrote:

Rights often result in a more difficult "enforcement
standpoint." We do not shade our respect for other rights
to make things easier for the police. If the government
refrains from infringing our right to keep and bear arms,
enforcement just might be a little tougher for the police;
but they exist to protect our rights. Letting our rights be
infringed for the sake of those whose duty it is to protect
our rights makes no sense.

In what way do you think that the police are to enforce
your "rights"?
Give you guns?

Enforcing your "rights" is not their business. Most of
that's a civil matter anyway.
--
Cliff

%%%% If I do not have "an individual right" why was I able to
buy a
firearm
3 times in the past 3 weeks?

The NRA & the gunmakers have a strong lobby?
You are not too bright?

Why could you buy bread?

%%%% I can buy bread because I have "an individual right" to.
)

It's in the Constitution and wingers & breadnutz go crazy
over it, right?

%%%% According to a leftard I'm familiar with it is part of the "life,
liberty and the presuit of happiness". )

So you don't actually need any 943rd amendment excuses for
buying regulated bread and acting like an idiot?

%%%% Sorry but you have confused with with an idiot leftard like you.

So you have no excuses?
Interesting.

%%%% It would be to a leftard who always need them.


BTW, What do you think that that has to do with the subject?

%%%% Everything.

The subject was the police enforcing your rights.
You are again confused.

%%%% According to the header you are (shall we say) wrong.

According to the quoted bits you responded to you are
very confused G.

They might actually arrest you for all those guns
and/or your behaviors with them.

%%%% Why would they arrest a fellow FOP member?

Flocks of idiots?

%%%% Fraternal Order of Police.

Flocks of idiots.

%%%% Go to your local police dept and inform them of your opinion please.
)


Do they know that you are to get special privileges for
something tatooed on your tail end?

%%%% They honor the Constitution.

You had a flag tatooed there?
I can guess how they can tell that.

Not that the picture is nice.

Have you considered pants & a belt or suspenders?
Though you probably consider them newfangled liberal things.

Failing those, just use bear grease?

%%%% WTF are you rambling about? Did you miss your Proloxin shot this month?


Shoot first, ask questions later, right?

%%%% When threatened with grevious bodily harm------- Yes.

So no questions. Right. Just any old paranoid winger or gunnut

%%%% Would you ask him if he intends to bash your brains in with a baseball
bat before you defend yourself?


Even liberal States frown on some perversions to
this day.

%%%% I live in a "Conservative" open carry state and not a liberal
gungrabber one.

That makes you a pervert?

%%%% How so?

Feel free to argue onwards.

%%%% Yep! You missed your shot. )


Which perversions?

I can probably *guess* at a few but why don't you tell us?

%%%% Kool Whip, chicken feathers and a Weed Eater.


%%%% Are you having a leftard fantasy?

Packing guns?

%%%% No carrying. I see no reason to "pack" one unless I'm flying to some
shoot I'm attending.

That's where the wings come in handy, right?

%%%%% Wings? I use Southwestern Airlines myself. When did you say you
skipped your Prolixin shot?



"I stepped out of the bedroom on the second floor and shouted into the
darkness, 'I don't know who you are or what you want, but if you don't
get
the hell out of here I'm going to blow your ass off. And if you don't
believe me, listen to this.'
"With that I rammed a shell into the chamber of a shotgun. There is no
mistaking that sound. Within seconds the intruders, or whatever they
were,
had fled." -- Dan Rather in his 1977 book, The Camera Never Blinks.

"Or whatever they were"?
Did he shoot the dog?

%%%% He didn't write in his book that he did. You never know really the
thought of the gungrabber elite that thinks everyone except them should
be
dis-armed.

So you are clueless?

%%%% No in self defense matters you are.


In ancient Greece, the Spartan General Leonidas was charged with guarding
a
mountain pass with just 300 men to delay the invading million man Persian
army. When the Persian leade Xerxes offered to spare his men if they gave
up
their arms, Leonidas replied "Molon Lave", or "Come and get them."

All dead, right?

%%%% Great observation since it was over 2 thousand of years ago. )


--
Cliff


Learn to post.
--
Cliff

Gunner wrote in
:

(About Waco events, near Herr shrubbie's dude ranch.)

Too bad they never found any automatic weapons that anyone besides the
prosecution ever saw.

Cites?

LOL ....
--
Cliff

"Strabo" wrote in message
news

First, all rights have restrictions. That's what the "compelling state
interest" line in many court decisions is all about.

While it has been claimed, in a free republic there is no
"compelling state interest". This was made clear after the 1861
Lincoln debacle.

That must have been the Free Republic of Botswana. g How about this one:
Is there a compelling state interest to prohibit the distribution of
pornography to minors, or does that violate the distributor's right to free
speech?


It's the one that keeps
us from shouting "fire" in a crowded theater and claiming a 1st Amendment
right.

And if there is a fire in a crowded theatre?

No problemo. It's when there is no fire that there's a potential problem.



The 2nd has had exactly one positive Circuit Appeals Court ruling in
recent
years, and a "compelling state interest" was involved in that case. It
was a
guy who was under a restraining order for threatening his wife. So that
case, too, addressed limitations on the right, as the 5th Circuit Court
had
to remand the case or something like that.

More legalisms by a lawyer wannabe.

Oh? And how would you have decided the Emerson case?
http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/5th/9910331cr0.html

That's the Second Amendment cast being referred to. Would you have let
Emerson carry his gun around, after threatening to kill his wife? Do you
think the federal law prohibiting people who are under a restraining order
in divorce cases from carrying a gun, because it's been demonstrated that
they are dangerous and threatening to their spouse?

It's all pretty simple, right? The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals found for an
individual RKBA, but they reversed Emerson's acquittal by a lower court.
Maybe it's not so simple?

--
Ed Huntress