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"Dan" wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." THE BILL OF NO RIGHTS We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some resemblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a "Bill of NO Rights." ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be ... and like the rest of us you need to simply deal with it. ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy by telling them they didn't warn you not to stick the screwdriver in your eye. ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we should be wary of public health care or public anything. ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair (yes, capital punishment). ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV, pool tables, weight rooms or a life of leisure. ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of part time jobs, education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness--which by the way, is a lot easier if you are not encumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights. ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. We welcome you here. English is our language and like the one you left behind, w e also have a culture. Learn it or go back to the country and the living conditions you were fleeing. -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ "Cliff Huprich" wrote in message om... In Gunner wrote: Here's a great quote from Ann Coulter "The U.S. military has had considerably more success in turning Iraq around than liberals have had in turning the ghettos around with their 40-year 'War on Poverty.' So far, fewer troops have been killed by hostile fire since the end of major combat in Iraq than civilians were murdered in Washington, DC, last year (239 deaths in Iraq compared to262 murders in DC.) The DC death stats, if true, were for a full year. "The deaths bring to 500 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the Iraq conflict began on March 20." How many from other nations, including Iraqis killed by US forces, have there been? The number of Iraqis killed is a deep secret. But if you are even a suspect for anything it seems your family and relatives can be taken off to concentration camps and your home destroyed. -- Cliff Not to mention there has been no "40-year War on Poverty," either... "Liberal" or otherwise. Dan |
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Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican 1) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for your "recovery". 2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own. 3) You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq. 4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the "wrong" gender. 5) You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit. 6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha. 7) "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India. 8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever. 9) You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, and that Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton. 10) You hate the ALCU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North. 11) You have to believe that the best way to encourage military morale is to praise the troops overseas while cutting their VA benefits. 12) You believe that group sex and drug use are degenerate sins that can only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican. 13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex. 14) You have to believe that the best way to fight terrorism is to alienate our allies and then demand their cooperation and money. 15) You have to believe that government medicine is wrong and that HMO's and insurance companies only have your best interests at heart. 16) You have to believe that providing health care to all Iraqis is sound government policy but providing health care to all Americans is socialism personified. 17) You believe that tobacco's link to cancer and global warming are "junk science", but Creationism should be taught in schools. 18) You have to believe that waging war with no exit strategy was wrong in Vietnam but right in Iraq. 19) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion. 20) You believe that government should restrict itself to just the powers named in the Constitution, which includes banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet. 21) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about the adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans are a "private matter". 22) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth. 23) You support state rights, which means Ashcroft telling states what locally passed voter initiatives he will allow them to have. 24) You have to believe that what Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest but what Bush did decades later is "stale news" and "irrelevant". 25) You have to believe that trade with Cuba is wrong because it is communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is just dandy. "Cliff Huprich" wrote in message . com... In Gunner wrote: Here's a great quote from Ann Coulter "The U.S. military has had considerably more success in turning Iraq around than liberals have had in turning the ghettos around with their 40-year 'War on Poverty.' So far, fewer troops have been killed by hostile fire since the end of major combat in Iraq than civilians were murdered in Washington, DC, last year (239 deaths in Iraq compared to262 murders in DC.) The DC death stats, if true, were for a full year. "The deaths bring to 500 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the Iraq conflict began on March 20." How many from other nations, including Iraqis killed by US forces, have there been? The number of Iraqis killed is a deep secret. But if you are even a suspect for anything it seems your family and relatives can be taken off to concentration camps and your home destroyed. -- Cliff Not to mention there has been no "40-year War on Poverty," either... "Liberal" or otherwise. Dan |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican Liberal wetdream content snipped To Be A Liberal: You must believe the only real difference between a totalitarian state like Cuba, where the government controls every aspect of your lives and can lock you up for teaching your kids religion, and the United States, where we can believe and say pretty much anything we want, is just one of politics, not unlike Republicans versus Democrats. You must believe while Bill Clinton's multiple affairs and lying under oath about them didn't disqualify him for his office, Rudy Guiliani's affair disqualifies him for the Senate. You must further believe that while Clinton's affairs were solely between him, his wife, and his God, Rudy's affair is a public issue. You must believe that while fathers are not really necessary to a child growing up in the United States, it is vital Elian Gonzalez be with his father, even if this means sending him to Cuba where his father will loose him at the age of 12 to government work camps. You must believe that N.O.W., with a nationwide membership of less than 100,000 and falling, represents all women; while Concerned Women for America, a conservative women's group with higher membership, does not. You must believe that Jesse Jackson, who has no visible means of support, is an excellent role model for blacks; while Clarence Thomas, a Justice of the Supreme Court, is not. Despite evidence such as the teacher at Columbine who was killed while talking to the 911 operator on her cell phone, you must believe that calling 911 is better than having a gun in your hand in similar situations. You must believe that news shows on the major networks which feature one conservative against four or five liberals are balanced and fair, while such shows on Fox News which feature equal numbers of conservatives and liberals are biased toward the right. You must believe that having Maxine Waters in government is a good thing just because she is a woman and can bring a woman's point of view to the process, while having Kaye Bailey Hutchinson in government, who is a woman and can bring a woman's point of view to the process, is a bad thing. You must believe, despite the fact it has been verified by former Soviet officials, that Ronald Reagan's defense spending which forced the Soviets to try and keep up leading to them bankrupting themselves, had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and that it was all done by Gorbachev who didn't want it to collapse in the first place. You must believe that American companies operating overseas, who pay their workers three to four times the average wage for the countries average, are evil and exploiting the workers who bless the day the company came to town. You must also believe that every economy in the world operates at the same level as our own, so that to pay these people less than you would pay workers here, where the cost of living is significantly higher, is somehow wrong. You must believe that government mandating benefits for workers will not affect the cost of the products you buy, and that if the price goes up it's only because the company executives are greedy, and not at all the result of costs going up. Further, you must believe that the main purpose of private industry is not to make a profit, but to provide jobs and fund social programs for the government. You must believe that a company executive, getting oral sex in his office from an employee is sexual harassment, while President Clinton getting oral sex in his office from an employee is not anyone's business. You must believe that two Democrats taping Newt Gingrinch's cell phone call when they had no reason to is perfectly fine and legal, while Linda Trip taping Monica Lewinski's calls to protect herself is bad and she must be punished for it. You must believe that handing out condoms to kids in school, even against the express wishes of their parents, is an acceptable exercise of government power, but that posting the Ten Commandments will somehow lead children into error. You must believe just seeing Joe Camel in a magazine or on a billboard will entice kids into smoking, while seeing graphic displays of violence in movies will have absolutely no effect. You must believe success is only a matter of luck, and that hard work and talent have nothing to do with it. You must believe that making gun ownership illegal will lead to the disappearance of all guns, but making abortion illegal will result in millions of "back-alley" abortions. You must believe that the Second Amendment is the only one that doesn't refer to an individual right. You must believe that the First Amendment allows you to say anything, unless it can be categorized as "hate-speech". You must believe that coporations actually pay taxes, instead of simply building them into their costs. You must also believe that any tax which applies equally to everyone must be "unfair". You must believe that the armed forces are evil, yet demand military intervention for every little foreign dispute where one side manages to produce an effective enough PR campaign. You must believe that a woman never lies about rape or sexual harassment, unless the accused is a pro-abortion Democrat, in which case, the accuser is a "slut" or "trailer-park trash". You believe that a liberal saying that he or she will take responsibility for something is enough to excuse any wrongdoing. A conservative, however, must be burned at the stake for any perceived wrongdoing, regardless of whatever steps are taken to rectify the problem. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican Fourteen Commandments of the Religious left Thou shalt not have no other god except thyself; after all, it's thy self exteem that counts. If thee don't love thee who will. Thou shalt not make any graven image out of any substance which can not be recycled. Thou shalt not take the name of liberals in criticism including feminists, racial minorities, or any person who thinks he is a victum of America. Remember the anniversaries of Roe V Wade and Anita Hills testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee and keep them holy. Honor thy mother if she's disfunctional it's thy fathers fault. Thou shalt not kill. With these exceptions; life under the second trimester and those opting for medically assisted suicide. Thou shall not commit adultery, unless thou aspire to high political office, use a condom, or thou cannot help it. Thou shall not steal, unless thou art disadvantaged or upset with a California jury verdict. Thou shalt not bear false witness, unless thou art discussing the history of the 1980's are campaigning for office, or can afford good legal council in the event thou art discovered and can ask the American people to pay thy legal bills. Thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not desire, thou shalt not desire anthing. Unless thou art the victum of gender related oppression or art still angry with Reagan's tax cuts. Always hide the truth about thyself. Never admit who or what thou really art. Always blame someone else for what thou doest even so far as to blame society. Thou shalt oppose all punishment. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican 1. At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search of a world without moral consequence. 2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state. 3. The liberal religion reveres the twin gods of genitals and government, and is overseen by a priesthood of psychologists. 4. "Freedom" to the liberal is strictly freedom of the genitals. 5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal because they demand moral responsibility. 6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v. collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the collective. 7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to eliminate the need for moral responsibility. 8. The U.S. Constitution - specifically the individualistic Bill of Rights - is the enemy of the liberal. 9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world. 10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. - serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism. 11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate moral consequence. 12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility. 13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify collectivist oppression. 14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed. 15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government. It is a religion. 17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or destroy individual parental rights - public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, etc.. 18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools. 19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore despised. 20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality. 21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is. 22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual freedoms. 23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states. 24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought. 25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive, collectivist culture. 26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals. 27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality or individualism as "hate speech". 28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course. 29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree. 30. When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs. 31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a child. 32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom. 33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression. 34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the liberal. 35. The liberal hates you. 36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional world view. 37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of value - lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government to extract the wealth of others. 38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor. 39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power. 40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal rights for women. 41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe. 42. Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be centrally controlled. 43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promiscuity is the dominate theme of the liberal media culture. 44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual prosperity, private property ownership, and the family. 45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions which frown on promiscuity. 46. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of individual freedom and power. 47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in children. 48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with Aids because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity. 49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their politics is also their religion. 50. Liberal activities are all about ego - to demonstrate "I care more than you do" without really helping anyone. 51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and their own pocketbooks and egos. 52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of collectivism. 53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive rules they impose on the general population. 54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but openly bash Christians. 55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment to an 8-5 union job. 56. Liberals believe that wealth is static - anyone who makes money must be stealing it from someone else. 57. Liberals claim to be against violence, but makes excuses for liberals like Castro who torture political dissidents. 58. Liberals have enormous compassion for criminal predators, but little for the victims. 59. Animal Rights activists despise humanity. 60. Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse. 61. Liberals use moralistic tones and catch-phrases like "social justice", but their only moral is the accumulation of power 62. Liberals ideologies tend inevitably towards world-wide totalitarianism. 63. Liberals are never satisfied with the power they have gained over the lives of individuals - they must control every thought and detail of human activity. 64. In the liberal world, all problems stem from individualism, and all solutions are collective. 65. Liberals are humourless bores. 66. Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaderick. Liberals don't care. 67. Bill Clinton used the IRS to oppress conservative political speech. Liberals admire him for it. 68. Scientists are obsessed with "life on other planets" to confirm the full theory of evolution. The alternative terrifies them. 69. Liberals are forever in search of a religion (New Age, pagan, Unitarianism, etc.) which smiles on promiscuity. 70. Liberals despise the Pope because he refuses to compromise on abortion, birth control, and divorce. All three positions discourage promiscuity. 71. Better that millions of Africans die in the agony of AIDS, and fortunes wasted on cures that don't work, than one liberal breath discouraging promiscuity. 72. A full-time mother enrages a liberal. 73. Liberals admire the Chinese forced abortion policy. 74. Twenty years after spectacularly successful airline deregulation, liberals still whine about it because they are obessed with collectivism, and they are elitests who don't like flying with the middle class. 75. Human life is cheap in the liberal world. 76. Liberals are Puritans - pompous, uptight, and legalistic. They crave a bland, monotholic culture where dissent is oppressed by criminal law. 77. Liberals cannot conceive of a solution to a problem which does not involve government. 78. Hillary's Village is a totalitarian state. 79. The EU is all about socialism. 80. Given the chance, liberals would ban the Bible as "hate speech". 81. Liberals view humans as monetary objects without moral motivation (welfare, etc.) , but view inaminate objects (guns, profits, etc.) in exclusively moral terms. 82. The Third Way is a new shade of lipstick on the same old socialist pig. 83. In Hillary's Village, parents are the child-rearing problem, not the solution. 84. Liberals supported the return of Elian Gonzalez because they admire Castro's collectivist island prison. 85. Michal Jackson is a paedophile. The liberal media admire him. 86. Liberals despise the death penalty as the ultimate statement of moral and individual responsibility. 87. Anyone who criticizes any aspect of homosexuality is hysterically accused of "homophobia" and "latent homosexuality". 88. Environmentalists have evolved into pagans who worship rather than "protect" nature. 89. Modern art is obsessed with hatred for morality and Christianity. 90. The majority of US universities despise intellectual freedom. 91. Liberals are obsessed with the elimination of risk because risk is integral to freedom and personal responsibility. 92. Liberals create child abuse witchhunts, and often send innocent parents to prison in child abuse cases, to justify their destruction of parental rights. 93. Liberal bureaucrats oppress conservatives and Christians whenever possible. 94. Liberals are nasty, violent thugs. 95. Better thousands of women die in the agony of breast cancer, than one liberal breath revealing the link between breast cancer and abortion. 96. A liberal would sooner pull out his own teeth with a pair of pliers than cut a tax. 97. Liberals have never really given up on Marx. 98. Pedophilia is a big part of homosexual culture. 99. Liberals dream of a massive network of government social workers who control individual families in detail. 100. The goal of the United Nations is world-wide totalitarianism. 101. The primary tool of environmentalism is paranoia based on falsehood. 102. Like the modern liberal, Hitler was a socialist, not a fascist. 103. Liberals crave the kind of Gestapo "Zero-tolerance" society seen in modern public schools. 104. The liberal worships appetite and disdains self-discipline. 105. The liberal is an intolerant, narrow-minded, thug. 106. The liberal end of bigger government justifies any means - including lies, deception, corruption, and violence. 107. The national media is an extension of the Democrat party, and relentlessly liberal. 108. For the liberal, "bi-partisan" means being more liberal. 109. Animal Rights and Environmental "activists" are more about hatred of humanity than love of nature. 110. The liberal's favorite play, "The Vagina Monologues", glorifies child rape and pedophilia, among other perversions. 111. Global warming has everything to do with socialism and nothing to do with environment. 112. The Great Society has destroyed the poor. 113. Homeschooling mothers enrage liberals. 114. Liberals secretly applaud the selling of nuclear secrets to China. 115. The level of truth can be measured by the howling of the liberal press. 116. No creature on earth is more pompous than a network TV "journalist". 117. American liberals are embarassed by American success and freedom. Foreign liberals envy it. 118. Hillary's Village will be chock full of Soviet-style gulags. 119. The WNBA is all about lesbianism. 120. Better that millions of children be emotionally scarred, then one liberal breath against the divorce culture so vital to liberal promiscuity. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican The Hypocritic Oath June 12, 2001 It's The Pitts By Lee Pitts I swear an oath on my honor as a hypocrite that... I will cuss cows but eat beef, blast miners but wear jewelry and drive a car but condemn oil companies. I don't want trees cut for any purpose other than to provide the lumber for my next house. As a Hollywood celebrity I assert my God given right to sire at least four children by three different wives and then protest about overpopulation in the world. I will put fish first by saving the sucker and salmon, but not the farmers and ranchers who feed me. I demand that politicians and federal judges in Washington save all endangered species, except the small business man. I feel government is imminently qualified to micro- manage nature, after all, look what a smashing job they've done with the IRS, EPA, USDA, FBI, BLM and assorted other alphabet agencies. As a self-righteous hypocrite it is my duty to celebrate Earth Day with barbecues and parades and by leaving tons of trash behind. I demand that feedlots and farms stop polluting our ground water. That privilege should be preserved for me every time I flush the contents of my toilet into a septic tank or the ocean. I want to relocate grizzly bears and wolves to the West but not in my big-city backyard. After all, people live here! I give my permission for mountains lions to eat lambs but if a lion eats my dog or cat I demand the abominable beast be shot on sight. I will cuss oil companies on talk radio and stand in the way of their drilling more wells while sitting in my gas guzzling SUV with the engine running. I will write letters to the editor on my computer castigating utility companies for not providing enough electricity. At the same time I will send money to green groups who want to tear down hydroelectric dams and stand in the way of any new power producing projects. I avow at the next cocktail party I attend while smoking a cigarette and sipping a martini that I will sue the tobacco companies for causing my lung cancer. Although I have never personally milked a cow or grown vegetables in a garden I demand to have a say on how farmers and ranchers do it. As a pompous hypocrite I demand that water, herbicides, and pesticides be taken away from farmers immediately, but I don't want it to affect the price, quantity or quality of the food I buy in the store. It is my strongly held conviction that we should ban all pesticides, except the can of bug spray I use to kill ants and other unwanted bugs in my home. As a mealy-mouthed hypocrite I vow to help stop global warming by watching the Discovery Channel on my giant sized television in my air-conditioned house. I assert that cattle pooping on our nation's grasslands is a national disgrace while fertilizing my urban lawn with steer manure and urea is simply good ecology. I will complain about fertilizer runoff from farms but not from golf courses because I happen to be a golfer. I will hound hunters in the woods because they use guns despite the fact that hunting groups have increased habitat and wildlife numbers. I demand that the government end all timber cutting or recovery in our national forests but I'll cry like a singed coyote if the feds allow wildfires to burn near my house. As a card-carrying hypocrite I disavow the use of fur, leather, wool and all animal by-products, except the ones used in medicine that might save my life. I demand labels be placed on all food products but not on a rock album that endorses killing cops. Finally, as an arrogant and self-serving hypocrite I firmly believe that rural folks have done a terrible job of taking care of the countryside and they must do a better job because that's where I want to live or visit someday when I can escape the pollution, crime, and insanity of the barren big city in which I currently reside. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican Rush's 35 Undeniable Truths There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism and self-reliance - which made America great. The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators. No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Evidence refutes liberalism. There is no such thing as a New Democrat. The Earth's eco-system is not fragile. Character matters; leadership descends from character. The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down. Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century. The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity; it was the longest period of peacetime growth in American history. Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy - every time it's tried. Condoms only work during the school year. Poverty is not the root ("rut") cause of crime. There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish those who do not. If you commit a crime, you are guilty. Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud. The way to improve our schools is not more money, but the reintroduction of moral and spiritual values, as well as the four "R's": reading, 'riting, 'rithmatic, and Rush. I am not arrogant. My first 35 Undeniable Truths are still undeniably true. There is a God. There is something wrong when critics say the problem with America is too much religion. Morality is not defined by individual choice. The only way liberals win national elections is by pretending they're not liberals. Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society. Follow the money. When somebody says, "It's not the money," it's always the money. Liberals attempt through judicial activism what they cannot win at the ballot box. Using federal dollars as a measure, our cities have not been neglected, but poisoned with welfare dependency funds. Progress is not striving for economic justice or fairness, but economic growth. Liberals measure compassion by how many people are given welfare. Conservatives measure compassion by how many people no longer need it. Compassion is no substitute for justice. The culture war is between the winners and those who think they're losers who want to become winners. The losers think the only way they can become winners is by banding together all the losers and then empowering a leader of the losers to make things right for them. The Los Angeles riots were not caused by the Rodney King verdict. The Los Angeles riots were caused by rioters. You could afford your house without your government - if it weren't for your government. Words mean things. Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican George Washington The man who is known to all Americans as "first in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen," gave us much sound advice on how to keep our independence and freedom. George Washington's advice is part of our American heritage that should be known to all our citizens. #1 RELY ON GOD When George Washington took the oath as first President of the United States on April 30, 1789, he added this four-word prayer of his own: "So help me God." These words are still used in official oaths by Americans talking public office, in courts of justice, and in other legal proceedings. Washington's words show that he was a man who believed in asking God's help in every part of our private and public lives. During the terrible times of the Revolutionary War, Washington repeatedly counseled his troops to put their faith and trust in God. Here is one of his messages: "The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, freeman or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own .... The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army .... Let us therefore rely on the goodness of the cause and the aid of the Supreme Being, in whose hands victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble actions." In his first Inaugural Address as President of the United States, Washington reverently acknowledged our country's dependence on Almighty God: "It would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe who presides in the council of nations - and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States, a government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes." After serving as our President during probably the most important two terms in our history, Washington advised us again that religion and morality are necessary for good government. In his Farewell Address on September 19, 1796, he clearly said: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." #2 HONESTY George Washington was a man of great personal honesty. The famous story about Washington chopping down the cherry tree, and admitting it to his father with the words, "I cannot tell a lie," perfectly illustrates the character of the Father of Our Country. In his Farewell Address, Washington, having served our country in war and peace, gave his advice that we as a nation should be bound by the same rules of honor and honesty that should bind individuals. He said: "I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy." As part of his belief that our nation should practice honesty, Washington urged that our Government always be honorable in money matters. He urged our country to borrow as little money as necessary and to avoid piling up a big debt. He realized that emergencies, such as unavoidable wars, would require us to borrow from time to time; but he urged that these debts be paid off as rapidly as possible. Washington said that failure to do this means we will be making our children pay the debts we ourselves should pay. Here are his words from his Farewell Address: "Avoid likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear." #3 RESIST POLITICAL PRESSURES Washington was well aware of how politicians are subjected to political and economic pressures which may persuade them to give up their principles, or to favor one group over another. In the midst of such pressures from all sides, Washington stood like a rock of strength and advised us how to keep to a standard of truth and justice. As President of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Washington gave this advice to his fellow Delegates: "If to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we afterwards defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the event is in the hand of God." The men who followed Washington's Advice produced the United States Constitution, which has properly been called "the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man." #4 FORMULA FOR PEACE George Washington was not only "first in war," but also "first in peace." He developed the best formula for keeping the peace that has ever been devised by man: the formula of discouraging the enemy from attack by making sure that he knows beforehand that America is ready for war. In his Fifth Annual Address to Congress, given in Philadelphia on December 3, 1793, Washington said: "There is a rank due to the United States among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure the peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." Washington's advice on how best to keep the peace is thus in two parts: (1) we must be ready for war, and (2) just as important, the enemy must know we are ready. #5 PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION Washington realized that as our country grew, there would be "bad guys" who would try to seize powers they shouldn't have and change the wonderful plan for American freedom and independence set up by the Founding Fathers. On the other hand, he knew that some changes in the Constitution would be necessary from time to time. Washington advised us that these changes should be made only in the way the Constitution provides - and not in any other way. He said in his Farewell Address: "If in the opinion of the people the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." Washington thus advised that we should be alert to protect the freedom of the people against men who try to take too much power in an unconstitutional way. Washington believed that "Government is like fire a good servant, but a dangerous master." #6 LIBERTY MUST INCLUDE RESPONSIBILITY As a schoolboy, Washington wrote in his copybook: "Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire - conscience." Washington had risked everything he had in the Revolutionary struggle for liberty. But he knew that "liberty" does not mean license to do anything without restrictions. True liberty must include responsibility to conscience - to God and to country. In his Farewell Address, he advised us to give full support to our new Government: "Respect for its authority, compliance with its laws, acquiescence in its measures, are duties enjoined by the fundamental maxims of true liberty." #7 AVOID FOREIGN INFLUENCE Washington knew that European nations had been constantly involved in one war after another. He knew that their political and economic interests were not the same as ours. He knew also that various foreign nations would try constantly to extend their influence over the American Government and people. Washington believed that the only way for the United States to grow strong and keep her hard-won independence was to remain free from European wars, problems, and influence. In his Farewell Address, he said: "History and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. " Washington predicted that foreign propaganda would operate inside and outside our Government. He warned that 'foreign influence' in our Government would even trick Americans about whom we can trust. He said in his Farewell Address: "Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests." #8 DON'T EXPECT FAVORS FROM NATIONS In advising us against becoming entangled with foreign problems, Washington warned us against giving favors to other nations in the hope of receiving favors in return. He warned that we will be "reproached with ingratitude for not giving them more," and we will have to "pay with a portion of our independence" for placing ourselves in such a position. He said in his Farewell Address: "There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard." #9 PATRIOTISM Washington was one of our greatest American patriots, and he demanded patriotism in the men who served with him in war and peace. Legend tells us that the night he crossed the Delaware, he gave the famous command: "Put none but Americans on guard tonight." Even though we cannot find this quotation in his published writings, it accurately represents his thinking. In his Farewell Address he advised all our citizens: "The name of AMERICAN, which belongs to you in your national capacity,must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation." #10 THANKSGIVING TO GOD Washington advised Americans to set aside a day of public Thanksgiving to God for the great favors He has bestowed on our nation. On October 3, 1789 Washington proclaimed the first Thanksgiving Day - the first of a long series of presidential orders that have remained part of American life down to the present: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint committee requested me to commend to the people of United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness, now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next, to be devoted to the service of that great and glorious Being, Who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or will be." Home Compiled by Phyllis Schlafly Eagle ForumTh " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican Conservative Bumper Stickers "Tell me when the animals draft a constitution...then we'll talk rights." HONK! If you had sex with the President Clinton: Adultery is not a family value More God, Less Government! If you want to live in her village, you must be the idiot. Earth First! We'll log the other planets later." "I'm not this way because I listen to Rush. I listen to Rush because I'm this way." G-otta O-ver R-egulate E-verything CLINTON + CHINA = TREASON! SAVE A CHILD...ABORT CLINTON My Car Doesn't Pass Emition Tests, Because I Smoke After finishing taxes, I owed the IRS $1.46, I'm sure at least $500 was spent to file my check. REDISTRIBUTION OF THE POOR! Ever notice how all the "CELEBRATE DIVERSITY" bumper stickers look the same? THEY ALL DO IT! (So why do Democrats still bother to vote?) PLEASE WORK HARDER! THERE ARE MILLIONS ON WELFARE COUNTING ON YOU. God-The Controlling Legal Authority If poverty causes crime, why do liberals want to subsidize it? "I'm not politcally correct I AM RIGHT" FIGHT CRIME... SHOOT BACK! What ever happened to "Once bitten, twice shy"? "But judge, I CAN'T be guilty because I DIDN'T INTEND to..." "It should be as hard to get welfare as it is to get a building permit" Asking government to fight greed is like asking Adolph Hitler to fight racism. "Full Disclosure & No Limits!" Intent Doesn't Matter - Criminal Actions Do Enforce Existing Laws! "Abstinence works every time its' tried." "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my Gun" C A U T I O N ! - Driver legally blonde! Think big turn off your tv! "Stop global whining." GIVE YOUR UNCLE MORE$$$-VOTE DEMOCRAT NOW! GENUINE NATIVE EUROPEAN AMERICAN "Born Here, Raised Here,Very Touchy, and the "Neo-Minority" Where's my Hand-out?" TUNE IN TO SUCCESS AMERICA DOES NOT OWE YOU A LIVING. VOTE REPUBLICAN ITS LESS TAXING "DRIVER CARRIES NO MORE THAN $20.00 .... worth of ammunition" Anita Lied If guns cause crime then matches cause arson. Bill Clinton The Best President Red China could ever Buy! WE NEED TO NAPALM THE "VILLAGE". THE AMERICAN DREAM:A LIBERAL FLEEING THE COUNTRY WITH AN ILLEGAL ALIEN UNDER EACH ARM. "A Liberal knows as much about Economics as Hitler did about Human Rights." "ACLU: Anti-Christian Liberals Union." Liberal Logic....Against the Death Penalty - For Abortion I THINK I SHALL NEVER SEE AL GORE SMARTER THAN A TREE I saw this bumper sticker on a car that was crossing the Golden Gate Bridge..."Spotted Owls taste like chicken" save the rainforest, it's fun to burn I survived Roe vs. Wade be a hero, save a whale. save a baby, go to jail. Mandatory volunteerism = national socialism "VOTE DEMOCRATIC,"It's easier than getting a Job! Al's favorite method of birth control: Algorhythm ACLU--American Commies and Liberals Union "Meat is Murder" AMERICAN by birth HETEROSEXUAL by choice If We're Not Supposed to Eat Animals, Why Are They Made Out of Meat? "Buy American. The job you save may be your own." ACLU-American Criminal lovers Union! Teddy, we're pregnant -- but we'll cross that bridge later... I am Clinton of Borg: Your wealth will be assimilated! I LOVE ANIMALS.....THEY TASTE GREAT LIBERALS: Move Everyone Down THE HOLOCOUST: GUN CONTROL IN ACTION! We Could Clone Hillary - But Why Would We Want To ? I am Pro-Choice...I choose the Second Amendment First Hillary, then Jennifer, now us! Oust Comrade Clinton! DNC-Desperate National Communists Don't let Hillary give us another "BILL" "I have experience in Crime fighting!! Some of my best friends are in Prison" DEMOCRATS CARE ----BUT REPUBLICANS GET THE JOB DONE RIGHT!!!!!! Hillary is the village idiot!!!!!! ( and the nations,too) "Union A Slander Republicans... Buy Non-Union!" "How are You going to Pay for It?" "There is what's RIGHT, and there's what is LEFT." "Save the whales: Club the liberals" Celebrate diversity, not perversity! "Willie Wants Your Wallet" Offend a liberal, work hard and prosper. That coffee was HOW MUCH?!?!?! THNK GD 4 KREEATIFF SPELINGK COLLEGE: WHAT USED TO BE CALLED HIGH SCHOOL "I'm an American, not a color." LIBERALISM: Truth Deficet Disorder Honk if Bill has your FBI File !!! An Independent is a Republican in Democrats clothing Impeach Clinton and her husband too! ABORTION - ONE DEAD, ONE WOUNDED HILLARY--THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR VILLAGE BETTER KEEP THIER HANDS OFF MY KIDS It's not a matter of choice - it's a matter of convenience. Bill Clinton -- A national disgrace! Visualize No Liberals Only an (picture of democrat donkey) would vote Democratic." "If you liked Stalin, then you'll love Gore in '04." HILLARY-ONE BAD BILL IS ENOUGH Gun control means using BOTH hands! Democrats----Socialism Call 1-800-DNC-DONR I THINK... THEREFORE I AM A REPUBLICAN JOIN P.E.T.A. {people for eating of tasty animals} NEA{nitwitted excestensionalist asses} NOW-nine overweight women! ACLU-American Cartoon Labor Union Friends don't let friends vote democrat. CNN - the Communist News Network When's Hillary up for re-election again? Make welfare as hard to get as a building permit "Save a Tree: Eat a Beaver." Polical Correctness Sucks! Liberals Lie "Vote Republican--It's less taxing" VOTE DEMOCRAT: IT'S EASIER THAN WORKING "POLITICALLY CORRECT? - bite me!" Equal Opportunity Employer - (majorities need not apply) Affirmative Action - (I refuse to make it on my own) Democrats - (We love the poor so much, we want to create more!) M.A.D.L. - Mothers Against Drunk Legislators." "Don't drink and vote." "Liberals: So open minded their brains fell out." Bill Inhales and Hillary Sucks If I'm Pro-Life, Then That Must Make You Pro-Death. More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than from my gun. If you are too poor to vote republican : get a job!!!!! "We're so right it's a religious experience" "If we're RIGHT, what are you?" When cigarettes are outlawed ...only outlaws will have cigarettes! Pro-choice....I Smoke!!! ABC * CBS * NBC The Brothers KGB Will Rogers never met the Clintons! Socialism Works! Just ask the Cubans! Question Liberalism (take on Question Reality) VOTE REPUBLICAN----THE MONEY YOU SAVE WILL BE YOUR OWN Guns Don't Cause Crime... Democrats Cause Crime "Annoy a liberal - get a job, make money, & be happy!" IT'S MY MONEY STUPID! Character is Everything Don't Honk! I'm listening to Rush! American by birth, conservative by the grace of God. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Dan wrote in message ... -- Let's adopt the following two amendments to the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to declare war, and this time we really do mean it." "No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and this time we really do mean it." Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican Of all the governments in all the countries in all the world, he had to screw up mine. Say no to liberalism because no one ever says, "I want to be a tyrant when I grow up." Vote Democrat, its easier than getting a job. Vote Democrat: because higher taxes are cool! Vote Democrat: The political party for double-standards. Vote Democrat because racism is okay as long as it is against white males and rich people. Liberals don't like reality, that's why they're liberals. All "smart" liberals know that every white male is a racist, sexist, homophobe. The Democratic Party is the political party for murderers, rapists, welfare junkies, and last and definitely worst: Bill Clinton. What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a dishonest lawyer? Chelsea. There is no controlling legal authority to stop Bill Clinton because liberals don't have to answer to the law. Support the ACLU: Because Christians have too many God-Given liberties. Vote Democrat: Because Freedom and Responsibility just aren't working. " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Not to mention there has been no "40-year War on Poverty," either... "Liberal" or otherwise. Dan You were saying? http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/aae/side/waronp.html WAR ON POVERTY The War on Poverty, declared in the State of the Union address on Jan. 8, 1964, was the attempt of President Lyndon B. Johnson to break the cycle of poverty affecting nearly 35 million Americans. Economic expansion had reduced unemployment to 5.3 percent, but projections showed that 25 percent of young blacks were destined for a life of irregular employment. Johnson, having enacted the modest antipoverty program of his predecessor, John F. Kennedy, wanted his own, and directed Sargent Shriver to steer the development and passage of an omnibus bill. Rejecting an alternative of direct subsidies, the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964, signed into law by Johnson on Aug. 20, 1964, attempted to prepare the poor for successful competition in an expanding economy. It combined new and existing programs of services by professionals--VISTA, Neighborhood Youth Corps, Job Corps, College Work Study, and Head Start--with the novel Community Action Programs (CAP), designed to involve recipients with "maximum feasible participation." Shriver's Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) was given authority to run its own programs and supervise related agencies. Funding for OEO, which was never adequate, was further reduced as spending for the Vietnam War increased. Thus, an extended structure, poorly financed, frustrated the rising expectations of the poor. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0109/p...sc.html?usaNav USA Society & Culture from the January 09, 2004 edition In war on poverty, early gains and a long stalemate LBJ launched a major national battle 40 years ago this week. By Peter Grier and Patrik Jonsson WASHINGTON AND RALEIGH, N.C. – Sam Nicholson is broke. Things could be worse - he's got his own bed to sleep in, and food stamps help. But the retired cabbie's teeth need to come out, he's got little hope of seeing a dentist soon, and a cold wind is whistling outside Raleigh's Morgan Street soup kitchen. That's an actual cold wind, not a metaphorical one. Lately temperatures in Raleigh have been unusually low. "Matters are only getting worse in this country," says Mr. Nicholson. "People are losing jobs and can't afford medical help or insurance." Forty years ago this week, President Lyndon Baines Johnson declared an unconditional war on poverty in America. Today that war is not over, and there's a question as to whether the US or poverty has the upper hand. Big-screen TVs are blowing out the doors of retailers, but 34 million Americans still live below the poverty line. The US GDP is roaring ahead, but the nation still has the worst child-poverty rate in the industrialized world. Still, some in the front ranks say they haven't given up hope. This is one fight where there may be a certain kind of victory in the struggle. "If the question is, 'Are we winning this war?' I'd say yes," says retired lawyer Bob Slaughter, who cooks and serves at Morgan Street. ""Every day that one of these folks doesn't have to go hungry, we're winning." In his State of the Union address on Jan. 8, 1964, LBJ both proposed a legislative program and challenged the country. The legislative war on poverty was to be a multipoint program aimed at getting Washington, the states, and local authorities to work together. It included a massive expansion of the food-stamp program, job training, youth employment, and special aid for Appalachia, among other things. Hospital insurance for the elderly - today's Medicare - was part of the effort. The challenge was an appeal for cooperation at all levels of US politics to help solve a truly national problem. "If we fail ... then history will rightly judge us harshly," said Johnson. Almost forgotten today is the fact that, at the same time he proposed a war on poverty, LBJ also pledged to reduce overall federal spending by $500 million, in an effort to win conservatives' votes. Furthermore, he made his pitch at a time when poverty was actually declining, from 22.4 percent in 1959 to about 19 percent at the time of his address. Still, the next few years saw the nation make its greatest gains since the end of the Depression against an intractable human problem. The poverty rate fell steadily for almost a decade, bottoming out at 11.1 percent in 1973. And that was it. Since then, the poverty rate has seesawed up and down, largely following the state of the economy. It hit highs of 15.2 percent in 1983 and 15.1 percent in 1993. It declined in the go-go 1990s, then began rising again: In 2002, the latest full year for which the Census Bureau has figures, it was 12.1 percent. That's almost 35 million people in poverty, 12.1 million of them children. ADAM WEISKIND - STAFF SOURCE: US CENSUS BUREAU Some parts of the Great Society war on poverty, such as Medicare, remain among modern US government's most popular and successful efforts. Others have withered away. In fact, recent years have seen a major attitudinal shift in how Washington approaches the problem of driving down stubborn poverty numbers. Where LBJ's approach focused on cash assistance along with other benefits such as food stamps, today the main thrust of government programs is to get poor people into private-sector jobs. Welfare reform, passed in 1996, is the symbol of this change. Under this bill, if aid recipients don't get a job within a certain time frame, they generally lose most cash benefits. Ten years on, welfare rolls have declined remarkably, though they've begun rising again in some states. "The effects of reform are moderately clear at this point. They are overwhelmingly positive, if not entirely so," said Lawrence Mead, a New York University professor of politics, at a recent Brookings conference. Yet the system presents tough new problems, such as how to raise the incomes of ex-welfare mothers in entry-level jobs, and how to get ex-welfare fathers more involved with their kids. And as even Professor Mead noted, not all experts are satisfied with the perceived morality of the new system. At the same conference, Harvard public policy professor Mary Jo Bane - who resigned from the Clinton administration in protest over the '96 bill - said she did not object to pressuring the poor to work. She did object, she said, to how the safety net of other kinds of benefits, such as housing supports, was damaged in the process. When it comes to helping the poor, said Professor Bane, morality demands that the government "err on the side of generosity." Back at the Morgan Street soup kitchen, there's a festive air in the cafeteria, as groups huddle together and eat. It's not Paris, but there are magnolias on every table and music from an out-of-tune upright piano. Willard Duncan admits that many poor people are bitter about their plight. But not this Vietnam vet. "There's always more that people can do to help other people," he says. "I just thank God I was born in America." http://www.npr.org/display_pages/fea...e_1589660.html Jan. 8, 2004 -- Forty years ago today in his first State of the Union speech, President Lyndon B. Johnson declared a "War On Poverty." Johnson's declaration came just weeks after succeeding to the White House upon the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Making poverty a national concern set in motion a series of bills and acts, creating programs such as Head Start, food stamps, work study, Medicare and Medicaid, which still exist today. The programs initiated under Johnson brought about real results, reducing rates of poverty and improved living standards for America's poor. But the poverty rate has remained steady since the 1970s and today, Americans have allowed poverty to fall off the national agenda, says Sheldon Danziger, a professor of public policy at the University of Michigan. http://www.thepublicinterest.com/arc.../article2.html Percentage of US populaton on Welfare since 1960 http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/news/stats/6097rf.htm http://www.heartland.org/archives/ia...95/welfare.htm July/August 1995: Welfare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Much Does the Welfare State Really Cost? by Robert Rector & James Hirni As the national debate on welfare reform continues to dominate the 104th Congressional agenda, policymakers should recognize one overriding fact: the War on Poverty has failed. It has been thirty years since President Lyndon Johnson launched his "unconditional war." But in most respects, the problems of the poor, the underclass, and the inner city actually have gotten worse, not better, in the subsequent years. That failure is not due to a lack of government spending. In 1993 alone, federal, state, and local governments spent $324 billion on means-tested welfare programs for low-income Americans. Current welfare spending is so large it is difficult to comprehend. One way to make it more tangible is to recognize that, on average, the cost of the welfare system amounted to $3,357 in taxes from each household that paid federal income tax in 1993. The U.S. welfare system is defined as the sum total of government programs explicitly designed to assist poor and low-income Americans. The federal government currently runs over 75 interrelated and overlapping welfare programs. These include: cash aid programs, medical aid programs, housing aid programs, energy aid programs, jobs and training programs, targeted and means-tested education programs, social service programs, and urban and community development programs. Of all of those welfare programs, 48 percent of the total welfare spending was devoted to medical programs. Cash programs took 22.1 percent. Food, housing, and energy programs comprised 18.8 percent of the total, while education aid, job training, social services, and urban and community aid accounted for 11.1 percent. Along with those federally subsidized programs, many states operate independent state-run programs. The combination of federal and state welfare spending has made welfare the third largest category of total government spending, ranking below the top category of combined Social Security and Medicare costs, and the second category of government education spending, but above spending on national defense. In 1993, government spending on Social Security (including Old Age and Survivor's Insurance and Disability Insurance) was $304.5 billion. Medicare costs added another $115 billion, bringing total combined Social Security costs to $419.5 billion. While Social Security and Medicare combined remain the number one government spending item in the U.S., welfare spending now amounts to 75 cents for every $1 spent on Social Security and Medicare. In fiscal year 1992, total government welfare spending exceeded spending on national defense for the first time since the Great Depression of the 1930s. By FY 1993, welfare spending by all levels of government had reached $324 billion compared with $291 billion spent for defense (see chart). Moreover, there is not even the faintest glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel for spending on the War on Poverty. According to Congressional Budget Office figures, under existing law total annual federal welfare spending will rise from $272.1 billion in 1995 to $387.3 billion in the year 2000. The federal government will spend $1.69 trillion on welfare aid during the five-year period from 1996-2000. Under current law, combined federal and state welfare spending will rise from $378.7 billion in 1995 to $551.7 billion in the year 2000. Together federal and state governments will spend $2.38 trillion on welfare during the next five years. If advocates of welfare reform are to accomplish their goals--reducing illegitimacy rates, establishing reciprocity and work demands, and promoting a sense of moral renewal among welfare recipients--the debate itself must be based on capping the growth of welfare spending and ending welfare as an entitlement. It's time to put the welfare system on a diet. ********************************* Naw...lets just toss some more money at the problem..Im sure if we spend enough..we can solve the problem real soon. Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. 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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:21:25 GMT, "dalecue"
wrote: Not to mention there has been no "40-year War on Poverty," either... "Liberal" or otherwise. Dan Which reminds me..lets toss some more money on education and maybe we can have graduates who can read their diplomas. NEA..hummm isnt that packed chock full of Democrats and Liberals? http://www.publicpurpose.com/pp-edpp.htm http://pub60.ezboard.com/fourchildre...cID=60 .topic September 16, 2003 (U.S. Tops School Spending, Not Scores) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- story.news.yahoo.com/news...n_compared U.S. Tops in School Spending, Not Scores By BEN FELLER, AP Education Writer WASHINGTON - Given its investment in education, the United States isn't getting the return it expects when compared with the performance of other nations, a report shows. Among more than 25 industrialized nations, no country spends more public and private money to educate each student than the United States, according to an annual review by the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. But American 15-year-olds scored in the middle of the pack in math, reading and science in 2000, and the nation's high-school graduation rate was below the world average in 2001. "The countries that spend more tend to be the countries that do better. But ... it's not a perfect relationship," said Barry McGaw, the organization's education director. "There are countries which don't get the bang for the bucks. And the U.S. is one of them." snip http://www.edweek.org/ew/newstory.cfm?slug=26mcas.h21 http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=137 http://www.eagleforum.org/column/200...03-10-29.shtml More Children Left Behind Oct. 29, 2003 A gaudy sign reading No Child Left Behind, the education slogan of the Bush Administration, guards the entrance to the U.S. Department of Education in Washington, D.C. The more-than-a-thousand-page NCLB education law, enacted at the beginning of last year with bipartisan flourish, combined a big increase in spending to please the Democrats with conservative buzzwords to please Republicans such as "standards," "tests," and "accountability." If no child is to be left behind, why are so many students flunking and being left behind in failing schools? Why are schools in an uproar all over the country, with complaints coming from parents, teachers and students? The answer is plain for anyone to see. The mandated tests reveal the painful truth that the nation's schools are not providing a quality education, even though the taxpayers are paying a per-child rate that rivals expensive private schools. Since the penalties for not complying with NCLB requirements are severe, states and school districts have devised ingenious methods to avoid the sanctions. The Texas State Board of Education reduced the number of questions students must answer correctly to pass the third- grade reading test from 24 to 20 out of 36. http://www.cse.org/informed/issues_t...?issue_id=1490 A Chance for Freedom?s Advance Let's put freedom to work in public education. Liberals love the idea of the federal government spending lots of money on public education. The more money the better, and for the most part liberals have succeeded in getting more federal money for education. Since 1980, federal funding for education has grown an astounding 228 percent ? a good track record if your goal is to maximize federal spending. The problem is, liberals don?t care if the spending actually goes towards better educating children. More education spending has not resulted in higher test scores. Nowhere is this truer than in the public school system in the District of Columbia, arguably the worst public schools in the country. The Washington, DC public school system is failing real children, whose shot at the American Dream are threatened by the incompetence of the schools. At Anacostia Senior High School, 69 percent of the students read at a ?below basic? level. 91 percent of the students? math skills are below basic. At Cardozo Senior High, 64 percent read at a below basic level and 90 percent are below basic in Math. At Dunbar the numbers are 61 percent below basic for reading and 92 percent for math. These sad numbers repeat themselves at almost every public high school in the District of Columbia. In fact, at only one public high school in the District can the majority of the students read at above the ?below basic? level. If this is not a school system that is failing, than what is the meaning of failure? Take a guess what the liberals? solution is to this human tragedy? That?s right, they want more money for the District public schools. Of course, Washington, D.C. already spends $9,650 per pupil a year, which is more than $3,000 above the national average. If spending were the issue, DC would have a top-notch education system. Michigan officials lowered from 75 to 46 the percentage of students who must pass statewide high school English tests in order to certify a school as making adequate progress. Colorado restructured its grading system, lumping "partially proficient" with "proficient" students. It's not only students who are judged by test scores; it's the schools, too. The No Child Left Behind Act requires schools to score higher on standardized tests each year, and also requires every racial and demographic group to show improvement. If any group fails to report higher scores for two consecutive years, a school is labeled "needing improvement." A school that does not improve its scores after being so labeled can have its principal and teachers replaced or even be closed by the state. Parents, teachers and taxpayers are shocked to learn that the first year's results are showing an extraordinarily high percentage of schools to be so labeled. At least 60 percent of North Carolina schools and 75 percent of Louisiana schools are expected to be so labeled. One of the sanctions imposed on failing schools is to give students the option of transferring to another school. Los Angeles and Chicago officials are meeting this challenge by approving very few transfers, citing overcrowding concerns. New York City went ahead and approved 8,000 transfer requests, but a third of the students have been moved from one "failing" school to another. Under the NCLB law, schools with low graduation rates risk being designated as "failing." Schools can manipulate the figures with "pushouts," students who are pressured to leave school long before graduation in order to improve its statistics. During the 2000-2001 year, New York City schools graduated 34,000 students, while discharging 55,000 high school students. The discharges included students who moved away or transferred to private schools, but it is easy to hide thousands of "pushouts" in the "transfer" category. The NCLB law allows transfers from schools designated as "persistently dangerous." The states can set the threshold for this label, but 44 states plus the District of Columbia have set the threshold so high that none of their schools fits the definition. The six other states (New Jersey, New York, Nevada, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Texas) have identified 52 schools as dangerous. That's just 52 out of the 90,000 U.S. public schools where 700,000 violent crimes took place in 2000 (the last year for which government statistics are available). The vision of No Child Left Behind is to close the gap between higher-achieving students and minorities. It's a noble goal, in President Bush's words, to end the "soft bigotry" of low expectations. Yet it appears that no strategies introduced so far have done much to close that gap. The liberals' solution is always to throw more money at the problem, and billions of dollars have been spent through the Title I program. A new study by the American Enterprise Institute called "Closing the Education Gap: Is Title I Working?" compared the scores of individual Title I students with the scores of similar students who did not receive Title I benefits. The researchers found no evidence that Title I programs had improved the recipients' academic performance. Of course, despite a 20-year record of failure, Title I funding was reauthorized in the NCLB Act. Federal spending on education has grown by $11 billion since President Bush took office. The tests mandated by NCLB have ripped back the curtain and exposed a major national problem. How about trying some innovative solutions to introduce competition into the monopoly system, such as giving parents choice over which courses and which teachers they want for their children? The N.E.A.'s Political Agenda The National Education Association is becoming increasingly strident and incorrect in its statements, critics charge. Moreover, the teachers' union is doing little to hide its controversial political agenda -- which some 40 percent of its members oppose. Here are a few examples: To attack the voucher school movement, the N.E.A. recently published a book which claimed to be "the most comprehensive report to date of an ultraconservative network that is pursuing an aggressive political agenda nationwide, including a 'state-by-state assault on public education.'" The publication links the aims of school choice supporters with legislation and ballot initiatives that would require unions to get the permission of a member before the member's dues could be spent on politics -- so-called paycheck protection proposals. In California, the N.E.A. and its state affiliate spent $9 million on a successful effort to beat Proposition 226 -- which would have required them to get members' permission for those expenditures in the future. N.E.A. President Bob Chase claimed in a "Firing Line" debate that tuition for private schools average something like $12,000 a year -- but a 1996 Cato Institute study put the figure at $3,116, with 67 percent of all private schools charging $2,500 or less. The N.E.A. continues to claim private schools would skim off the best students and leave public schools with disabled and at-risk students. But more than 100,000 special education students already attend private schools at public expense, according to U.S. Education Department figures. And at least seven states contract with private schools to handle at-risk students. Source: Pete du Pont (National Center for Policy Analysis), "Grand Conspiracy to Educate Children?" Washington Times, November 3, 1998. http://www.focusoneducation.com/teac.../a0002040.html snip "Yet, recent evidence reveals the NEA for what it is: a powerful labor union surreptitiously committed to increasing its political power. Once upon a time, the NEA concerned itself primarily with representing its members’ interests, but the union’s political agenda has now supplanted even that. The recent evidence began last year with the Landmark Legal Foundation’s complaint to the IRS. Landmark Legal charged the NEA used tax-exempt funds for political purposes and extensively coordinated campaign activities with the Democratic National Committee (DNC). If a non-profit organization expends funds for political purposes, they must report it to the IRS and pay taxes. Landmark Legal contends the NEA did neither. Landmark Legal continued its whistle blowing this year with a similar complaint filed with the Department of Labor. The reason for the NEA’s alleged failure to report the political expenditures transcends simple tax evasion. In fact, the real reason strikes at the heart of the NEA’s source of political power—money. If the NEA spent members’ dues for political purposes, union members would be entitled to a refund, just as the NEA’s Washington State affiliate had to do earlier this year. But there’s more. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) slapped down the NEA for its harassment of religious objectors. Under the Civil Rights Act of 1974, people of faith may divert forced union dues to a charity of their choice if their religious convictions diverge with those of their union. Recognizing the implications of losing those funds, the NEA put religious objectors through an inquisition of sorts to prevent losses. With the EEOC’s decision, the NEA could be hauled into court if it fails to stop its harassment. On the heels of this announcement came news from Washington State that a county judge unwisely gave the NEA’s state affiliate more leeway to conduct political activities on public school property. The judge ruled that restricting on-campus political activity violated the First Amendment. snip Snicker.. now know why I hold Liberals in such contempt? Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. 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I'll go along with yours, if you'll adopt my 2. 1. Though shalt not whine. 2. Get over it. Greg sefton |
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In article , dalecue
says... 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican 1) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for your "recovery". 2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own. 3) You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq. 4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the "wrong" gender. 5) You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit. 6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha. 7) "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India. 8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever. 9) You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, and that Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton. 10) You hate the ALCU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North. 11) You have to believe that the best way to encourage military morale is to praise the troops overseas while cutting their VA benefits. 12) You believe that group sex and drug use are degenerate sins that can only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican. 13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex. 14) You have to believe that the best way to fight terrorism is to alienate our allies and then demand their cooperation and money. 15) You have to believe that government medicine is wrong and that HMO's and insurance companies only have your best interests at heart. 16) You have to believe that providing health care to all Iraqis is sound government policy but providing health care to all Americans is socialism personified. 17) You believe that tobacco's link to cancer and global warming are "junk science", but Creationism should be taught in schools. 18) You have to believe that waging war with no exit strategy was wrong in Vietnam but right in Iraq. 19) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion. 20) You believe that government should restrict itself to just the powers named in the Constitution, which includes banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet. 21) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about the adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans are a "private matter". 22) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth. 23) You support state rights, which means Ashcroft telling states what locally passed voter initiatives he will allow them to have. 23a) You have to believe that the federal government should leave the states alone, unless they need to nullify all the state banking laws that are preventing the banks from making even *more* money by screwing the 'little people.' Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 18 Jan 2004 14:57:40 GMT, (Frank White)
wrote: In article , says... snip post, stare in awe at Gunner's flood of counter- postings Snicker.. now know why I hold Liberals in such contempt? Gunner WOWSER! Where did you GET all this stuff from? FW, quite impressed I keep a library. Knowledge is power. Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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dalecue wrote:
25 Rules For Being A Good Republican :-) Great stuff, whether you copied it or not. And given Gunner's couple of thousand lines of replies, you hit it right on the nose. He just couldn't leave it alone, and smile. That guy is the easiest target in the world. What a cut and paste job Gunner, must have kept you up all night. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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dalecue wrote:
25 Rules For Being A Good Republican :-) Great stuff, whether you copied it or not. And given Gunner's couple of thousand lines of replies, you hit it right on the nose. He just couldn't leave it alone, and smile. That guy is the easiest target in the world. What a cut and paste job Gunner, must have kept you up all night. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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"dalecue" wrote in message ... Blatantly copied from someone more clever than I -------------------SNIP----------------------------------------- ) The Complete List Of Liberal Debating Rules: 01Always bring up the Administrations relationship to the oil business, under all circumstances. 02Call your opponent a zionist each and every time the media is mentioned in any way shape or form. 03Claim your opponent is a slave to the Jews, and his country is ruled by the Jews. 04Call your opponents nazis or fascists or quote any nazi you can find a quote from. Doesn't matter what it is, it may deflect the argument for a moment. 05Call your opponent a zionist fascist or a fascist Jew. It might confuse him momentarily, letting you claim that you've won. 06Post many copy-n-paste articles from the liberal press instead of actually replying. 07Quote Robert Fisk articles and portray them as being the word of God. 08Claim that America kills billions of babies every year instead of answering any questions. 09Change the subject each and every time you post. 10Always state that your opponent is ignorant and stupid. 11Begin a sentence with "Obviously" when the sentence is very vague. 12When all else fails, insist that your opponent is a liar. Use lots of exclamation points and all caps if possible. 13Always claim that if chemical weapons are found in Iraq, the CIA put them there; if none are found then America is evil. 14WMD's can include small arms munitions, any size bomb, and even knives when arguing with a conservative. 15Repeat each point that you know is an outright lie at least fifty times. If your opponent stops responding thinking you're an idiot, you can claim victory. 16Always claim that Gore *really* won the last election and that Bush isn't really the president. 17State the wildest scientific claims with authority, and then demand that your opponent prove you are wrong. 18State *any* position with authority and then demand that your opponent prove you wrong. 19Insist that you're not a socialist, but a traditional old-time Democrat, at all times. 20Mentioning one wounded child against years of Sadaaaam's brutality means you've proved America is evil. 21Stamp your feet a lot. 22Claim that Bush is the anti-Christ, and demand that he be impeached when confronted with any fact whatsoever. 23Change any and all financial and budgetary figures to prove your claims. Insist that some think-tank derived the figures from years of hard research. 24Always artfully re-arrange words when quoting conservatives, and then insist that's what they originally wrote. 25If any opponent even hints at having any religious beliefs, immediately insist they are part of the far far religious right. 26Get to know other on-line liberals and play tag-team-posting in an attempt to confuse your opponents. 27Change your on-line identity often if conservatives start to killfile you. 28Make up a politically correct ancestry for yourself, and then claim all white Americans are evil. 29If your opponent makes a point that you can't refute, claim that he is a slave-holder. 30You get brownie points for each time you call an opponent a redneck, a hick, trailer-trash or a cracker. 31Never under any circumstances admit to a mistake or admit anything you said was ever wrong. 32Always spell America with one or more KKKs. It proves that you're very hip and with-it. 33Polls are *always* correct when they support your views and *always* wrong when they support your opponents views. 34Insist that Clinten was the greatest American president of all time, and the economy immediately collapsed the day he left office. 35When talking about any type of genocide, always claim that Americans completely wiped the native population of both north and south America. 36Claim that tax-cuts benefit the rich and hurt the poor. Or that any change in taxes by conservatives is always bad. |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:51:31 GMT, Abrasha wrote:
dalecue wrote: 25 Rules For Being A Good Republican :-) Great stuff, whether you copied it or not. And given Gunner's couple of thousand lines of replies, you hit it right on the nose. He just couldn't leave it alone, and smile. That guy is the easiest target in the world. What a cut and paste job Gunner, must have kept you up all night. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Actually it took me no more time to locate it on my disk arrays than it does to remember what and where I stored it. I really need to put in a menu system. I noticed you didnt say the stuff I posted was "great stuff". (probably hit a nerve or 5) You are the one person I really expected to comment on it. LOL..you too are indeed predictable. Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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(Frank White) wrote in message ...
In article , says... snip post, stare in awe at Gunner's flood of counter- postings Snicker.. now know why I hold Liberals in such contempt? Gunner WOWSER! Where did you GET all this stuff from? FW, quite impressed Out of the trash .... there's an entire dumpster of this crap out behind Gunner's desert hideout. |
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Gunner wrote:
I keep a library. Knowledge is power. Are you implying that you have power? That reminds me of a Margaret Thatcher quote: "Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." She should be at least someone you like, being conservative and all. If you know so much, how come you're so powerless? Other than the power you may have from all those guns of course, you have no power. Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote:
Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Hamei, Is this true...?? Later, Mike "That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other." Virginia Constitution 1776 |
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Santa Cruz Mike wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote: Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Hamei, Is this true...?? Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Abrasha wrote:
Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote: Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Hamei, Is this true...?? Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Read it for yourself at: http://www.maoism.org/msw/vol2/mswv2_12.htm Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Abrasha wrote:
Abrasha wrote: Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote: Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Hamei, Is this true...?? Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Read it for yourself at: http://www.maoism.org/msw/vol2/mswv2_12.htm Oh, I almost forgot, the quote was also part of "Quotations of Chairman Mao" (The Red Book). Which is where I got it. http://www.maoism.org/msw/redbook/quotes_idx.htm It's in Chapter 5: War and Peace Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:34:00 GMT, Abrasha wrote:
Abrasha wrote: Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote: Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Hamei, Is this true...?? Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Read it for yourself at: http://www.maoism.org/msw/vol2/mswv2_12.htm Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Thanks, Mike State Constitution 1776 III. As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of a civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion and morality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a Community, but by the institution of the public Worship of God, and of public instructions in piety, religion and morality: Therefore, to promote their happiness and to secure the good order and preservation of their government, the people of this Commonwealth have a right to invest their legislature with power to authorize and require, and the legislature shall, from time to time, authorize and require, the several Towns, parishes, precincts and other bodies politic, or religious societies, to make suitable provision, at their own Expense, for the institution of Public worship of God, and for the support and maintenance of public protestant teachers of piety, religion and morality, in all cases where such provision shall not be made voluntarily. |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:47:30 GMT, the renowned Abrasha
wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, the quote was also part of "Quotations of Chairman Mao" (The Red Book). Which is where I got it. http://www.maoism.org/msw/redbook/quotes_idx.htm I've heard it translated as "out of the barrel of a gun grows political power", which is really quite different from *ALL* political power grows from the barrel of a gun. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:01:52 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:47:30 GMT, the renowned Abrasha wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, the quote was also part of "Quotations of Chairman Mao" (The Red Book). Which is where I got it. http://www.maoism.org/msw/redbook/quotes_idx.htm I've heard it translated as "out of the barrel of a gun grows political power", which is really quite different from *ALL* political power grows from the barrel of a gun. That translation does add a beauty and power to the statement. "That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, and not by force or violence, and therefore all men, have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience, and that no particular religious sect or society ought to be favoured, or established by law in preference to others. Rhode Island Constitution 1776 |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha
wrote: Gunner wrote: I keep a library. Knowledge is power. Are you implying that you have power? That reminds me of a Margaret Thatcher quote: "Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." She should be at least someone you like, being conservative and all. If you know so much, how come you're so powerless? Other than the power you may have from all those guns of course, you have no power. Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Mao's army had guns, and power, before Mao took over the Chinese government. And armed American individuals do have power. If that wasn't so, gun controllers wouldn't be so anxious to disarm them. -- Robert Sturgeon, proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy and the evil gun culture. |
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In article , "David
Moffitt" weaselkiller@ prodigy.net writes: 34Insist that Clinten was the greatest American president of all time, and the economy immediately collapsed the day he left office. [ Here's a chart, taken almost directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It shows the month-to-month change in total employment, and how it fell from an average gain of 236,000 during the Clinton presidency to an average loss of 66,000 per month under George Bush. (The chart shows payroll jobs, averaged over three months.) The arrow, which I added, shows when Bush took office. Economic numbers don't get more clear than this ] See http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...obs/index.html |
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On 19 Jan 2004 00:20:39 -0800, (Cliff Huprich)
wrote: In article , "David Moffitt" weaselkiller@ prodigy.net writes: 34Insist that Clinten was the greatest American president of all time, and the economy immediately collapsed the day he left office. [ Here's a chart, taken almost directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It shows the month-to-month change in total employment, and how it fell from an average gain of 236,000 during the Clinton presidency to an average loss of 66,000 per month under George Bush. (The chart shows payroll jobs, averaged over three months.) The arrow, which I added, shows when Bush took office. Economic numbers don't get more clear than this ] See http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...obs/index.html Looks to me as though it was taking a dive well before Clinton left office. Who's fault was that? Bush, whom I'm not too wild about, inherited a situation already going downhill. Sue |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:01:22 GMT, Abrasha wrote:
Gunner wrote: I keep a library. Knowledge is power. Are you implying that you have power? That reminds me of a Margaret Thatcher quote: "Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." She should be at least someone you like, being conservative and all. If you know so much, how come you're so powerless? Ive got plenty of power. 200 amps at the pole. Other than the power you may have from all those guns of course, you have no power. Define power. Chairman Mao did say: "All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Individuals do not have political power, only governments do. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Its not surprising you would quote a Communist responsible for the deaths of 75 million people. Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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Santa Cruz Mike wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:01:52 GMT, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:47:30 GMT, the renowned Abrasha wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, the quote was also part of "Quotations of Chairman Mao" (The Red Book). Which is where I got it. http://www.maoism.org/msw/redbook/quotes_idx.htm I've heard it translated as "out of the barrel of a gun grows political power", which is really quite different from *ALL* political power grows from the barrel of a gun. That translation does add a beauty and power to the statement. I wouldn't trust any translation that sounded like good English ... Spehro's sounds more accurate to me, but I'd have to go buy a little red book to know for sure. I got one to send to gunner, but Garibaldi probably forgot to mail it, No biggy :-) Anyway, the statement is kinda obvious. Would anyone pay the IRS if they didn't have guns ? |
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Robert Sturgeon wrote in message . ..
Mao's army had guns, and power, before Mao took over the Chinese government. "Took over" the Chinese government ? There WASN'T any "chinese government" before Mao zi dong and the Communist party created one. None whatsoever. They had power because people believed in them, unlike the corrupt fascist assholes in the guo min dang. |
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"Sue" wrote in message ... On 19 Jan 2004 00:20:39 -0800, (Cliff Huprich) wrote: In article , "David Moffitt" weaselkiller@ prodigy.net writes: 34Insist that Clinten was the greatest American president of all time, and the economy immediately collapsed the day he left office. [ Here's a chart, taken almost directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It shows the month-to-month change in total employment, and how it fell from an average gain of 236,000 during the Clinton presidency to an average loss of 66,000 per month under George Bush. (The chart shows payroll jobs, averaged over three months.) The arrow, which I added, shows when Bush took office. Economic numbers don't get more clear than this ] See http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...obs/index.html Looks to me as though it was taking a dive well before Clinton left office. Who's fault was that? Bush, whom I'm not too wild about, inherited a situation already going downhill. Sue "notice when the deep dive ends. That's right: It was just after Sept. 11, 2001. It's true that President Bush ought not to be blamed for the job losses of the Internet bust. But neither can he properly blame his troubles on Osama bin Laden: Job losses slowed down when the war on terror began. Bush should be judged on the record after that -- on the creation of jobs in 2002 and 2003. After all, the recession officially ended in November 2001. How many new jobs did we get since then? An average loss of 22,000 jobs every month. notice when the deep dive ends. That's right: It was just after Sept. 11, 2001. It's true that President Bush ought not to be blamed for the job losses of the Internet bust. But neither can he properly blame his troubles on Osama bin Laden: Job losses slowed down when the war on terror began. Bush should be judged on the record after that -- on the creation of jobs in 2002 and 2003. After all, the recession officially ended in November 2001. How many new jobs did we get since then? An average loss of 22,000 jobs every month. notice when the deep dive ends. That's right: It was just after Sept. 11, 2001. It's true that President Bush ought not to be blamed for the job losses of the Internet bust. But neither can he properly blame his troubles on Osama bin Laden: Job losses slowed down when the war on terror began. Bush should be judged on the record after that -- on the creation of jobs in 2002 and 2003. After all, the recession officially ended in November 2001. How many new jobs did we get since then? An average loss of 22,000 jobs every month. notice when the deep dive ends. That's right: It was just after Sept. 11, 2001. It's true that President Bush ought not to be blamed for the job losses of the Internet bust. But neither can he properly blame his troubles on Osama bin Laden: Job losses slowed down when the war on terror began. Bush should be judged on the record after that -- on the creation of jobs in 2002 and 2003. After all, the recession officially ended in November 2001. How many new jobs did we get since then? An average loss of 22,000 jobs every month. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco Portland www.machiningsolution.com |
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Excitable Boy wrote:
Santa Cruz Mike wrote in message . .. On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:01:52 GMT, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:47:30 GMT, the renowned Abrasha wrote: Oh, I almost forgot, the quote was also part of "Quotations of Chairman Mao" (The Red Book). Which is where I got it. http://www.maoism.org/msw/redbook/quotes_idx.htm I've heard it translated as "out of the barrel of a gun grows political power", which is really quite different from *ALL* political power grows from the barrel of a gun. That translation does add a beauty and power to the statement. I wouldn't trust any translation that sounded like good English ... Spehro's sounds more accurate to me, Why? but I'd have to go buy a little red book to know for sure. The "Red Book" is only a book of quotations from many sources of Mao's writings. The title is in fact "Quotations of Chairman Mao". Nothing original in it. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:36:26 GMT, Sue brought
forth from the murky depths: On 19 Jan 2004 00:20:39 -0800, (Cliff Huprich) wrote: Economic numbers don't get more clear than this ] See http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...obs/index.html Looks to me as though it was taking a dive well before Clinton left office. Who's fault was that? Bush, whom I'm not too wild about, inherited a situation already going downhill. How about a show of hands? Does anyone here on wreck.metal feel that the Shr^H^H^HPresident is doing a good job? I see 66% approval rates for Dubya but don't know -anyone- who agrees. How about here? - Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm). ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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