For those who may be interested, I posted this several days ago, but
someone made me realize the topic I chose was probably killfiled by a
majority.

I have set up a channel on my IRC server for the users (posters and
lurkers alike) of RCM. IRC is internet relay chat, a live-chat medium.
This allows instant communication between people all over the world. IRC
is one of the most popular chat mediums, having many millions of users,
hundreds of networks, and thousands of servers.

This is a private IRC server/network, ran from my server, and was set up
specifically for the users of another machining related newsgroup. It has
proven to be relatively popular there, so I thought I would extend the
offer to RCM, as it may be some interest to the users of RCM. This is a
good way to get to know your fellow posters a bit better. I do not wish
to take away from the newsgroup, but to enhance it by offering this
service.


There is no charge whatsoever for using this service, once you have
installed an IRC client software of your own choice (free, pay or
shareware). I personally have no stake and do not care which client you
choose, that decision is totally up to you.
Here is the deal: I will provide the bandwidth, the server, and server
administration free of charge, you provide your own client, yourself, and
your knowledge and wit....and we all have fun and exchange ideas.
- See the FAQ.

Feel free to stay connected as long as you wish.

Server: /server machines-cnc.net
Channel: /join #RCM
The server operates on the standard IRC port of 6667.
SSL connections are allowed.

FAQ: Please read!

Q: How do I connect?

A:
You will need an IRC client, many are available for all operating system
platforms.
mIRC is the most popular worldwide
vIRC is free and much improved in the latest version
Trillian is free and is a one-for-all client, connecting to IRC, AIM,
ICQ, MSN, and YAHOO all from one interface.
MS-Chat - a last-resort IRC chat client
The above are for windows platforms.
If you use Mozilla browser, chatzilla is free and while not fully
functional (lacking complete DCC [direct computer connection-file
trading] support) it is reported to be a good client.
For *nix users, I prefer Xchat over BitchX, or IIRS but to each thier
own.
For MAC users, there is IRCLE.

Client Links:

http://www.mirc.com
http://www.visualirc.net/beta.php
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ (Trillian, a purchased client, but a
very good one)
http://download.microsoft.com/msdown...n/MSCHAT25.EXE
http://www.ircle.com/
ftp.bitchx.org
http://www.xchat.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/

Some of these clients are shareware, some pay, some free.

Once installed, open the client, and type: /server machines-cnc.net
Once connected, type /join #RCM and you are there.

Q: My firewall reports scans coming from the IRC server on connect.
A:
The server does scan for, and deny connections to open proxies. If you
feel this is intrusive, do not use the service. This is for the
protection of the server and the users, and will not be changed.

Q: I have never used chat before, what is it like, and any hints?
A:
Please conduct yourself in an adult manner. Take into consideration the
nicknames you are talking to are real people, with real feelings,
opinions and personalities. Please respect the other people in the chat.
Please be aware that what you type can be read (interpreted) by someone
else in an entirely different manner than that which you may have written
it. Keep this important point in mind while chatting. Please be aware
that there are people from all over the planet who can connect to the
server. This brings in to play, the customs and norms of other
countries. The subjects can vary greatly from one minute to the next.
While the main topic is machining, and machines, a wide variety of other
topics will be discussed regularly, from how the day went, to what the
kids did yesterday...it's all about a community of people with similar
interests.
Relax, fall into the conversation, and have fun.

Q: Is language censored?
A:
No. The only word that is censored is one particular racist word (n****r)
and it's variations. All other language is up to you, but please see the
next Q.

Q: What about racism/discrimination?
A:
I do not and will not tolerate racism or discrimination because of age,
race, religous beliefs, ethnic background or nationality. If you come on
the server spewing racist or discriminatory remarks, you will find
yourself forcibly removed and permanently blocked from reconnecting.
Please read the MOTD (message of the day) when you connect to the server.


Q: I see a lot of abbreviations, what do they mean?
A:
Here is a short listing of the most common:
LOL: laffing out loud
ROFLMAO: rolling on the floor laffing my ass off
YMMV: your milage may vary
IMHO: in my humble opinion
FUBAR: you should know, if you work on machines, what this means
TTFN: ta-ta for now
BRB : be right back
AFK : away from the keyboard
BBIAM : be back in a minute
BBIAF : be back in a few minutes


Q: How do I make sure my nickname isn't used by someone else?
A:
You can register your nickname, type /nickserv help register when you log
on for instructions. (Instructions appear in the status/connection
window.) Or ask in channel for help. Registered nicknames allow the
administration to provide priviledges to users, such as channel operator
status and what not.

Q: Nickserv requires a valid email to complete registration, why?
A:
The email is required in order to prevent, or deter, spambots, ddos bots,
and the like from registering nicknames. Email addresses are not used for
any purpose other than registration, or in the case of an extreme need to
email all users by the administration. The server has been up since
November of 2003, I have yet to send an email to any address, I don't
foresee a real need to, since any notice can be put in the newsgroup
regarding service outages or what not. Email addresses will never be
sold/traded, or given away. The database on the server which contains the
nicknames, passwords and email addresses is encrypted.

Q: I have heard IRC is not very secure, what security measures are in
place?
A:
Your security is of a just concern, therefore I have taken considerable
steps in the configuration of the server to help ensure user security.
1) This is a small, private network. Since Nov. 2003, there have been
absolutely no issues with security. The group of current users are all
good folks.
2) Known filetype extentions that are commonly used for viri are blocked
at the server level from transfer via DCC (direct computer connection).
If you need/want to send an *.exe file, you must do the proper thing and
ZIP it first.
NOTE: For those unfamiliar, files cannot be sent to you without your
express acceptance.
3) Your host (IP) is hidden upon connect. Others (with the exception of
network administration) cannot get your specific IP unless you initiate a
DCC session with them.
4) Spam is filtered (this has not been an issue so far, and until we get
into the 100's of users category, I don't forsee it being an issue, but
the server has the ability to easily filter for spam.)
5) SSL connections are available.
6) As stated in the email question, all passwords, email addresses, and
the like are stored in an encrypted database.
7) Services (Nickserv, Memoserv, Workcell (chanserv)) are provided via
ircservices, which is a robust and well proven services package.




If you have any further questions feel free to ask.



--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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In article ,
Anthony wrote:
For those who may be interested, I posted this several days ago, but
someone made me realize the topic I chose was probably killfiled by a
majority.

I saw it, but decided not to reply.

I have set up a channel on my IRC server for the users (posters and
lurkers alike) of RCM. IRC is internet relay chat, a live-chat medium.
This allows instant communication between people all over the world. IRC
is one of the most popular chat mediums, having many millions of users,
hundreds of networks, and thousands of servers.

I have always opted to never run an IRC client (let alone a
server) on any of my systems. They were not written with security in
mind, and it is too easy for trojans to be uploaded and activated by
them.

Besides -- if I understand the operation of IRC properly, it is
a real-time medium. I need to be awake and logged in at the same time
as whoever else I am chatting with (like the unix "talk" program, which
I also did not like when I used it).

I far prefer being able to hold a discussion in non-real-time,
as I keep strange hours, and there are people all over the world in this
newsgroup (and thus, presumably in your IRC channel, if it takes off as
you desire.) The real-time nature of an IRC chanel would limit who
could take part in any given discussion.

Also -- this newsgroup is automatically archived, and can be
consulted months or years later (through the proper systems). Does this
apply to what you offer?

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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(DoN. Nichols) wrote in
:



I saw it, but decided not to reply.


I have always opted to never run an IRC client (let alone a
server) on any of my systems. They were not written with security in
mind, and it is too easy for trojans to be uploaded and activated by
them.


Lets dispel this unfounded rumor right here. It is as safe as any other
program that accesses the internet, and infinately more safe than IE.
In order for a trojan to get on your system through IRC, *YOU*, as the
Executive Keyboard Operations Manager of your computer system, would
have to either 1) accept, receive, then specifically execute a file
containing a trojan , or 2) open a http:// link in an unpatched, or
insecurely set up IE, to a website which contained malacious code. On
this server, the likelyhood of 1 occuring is virtually nil, as all known
trojan filetype extentions are blocked at the server from transfer
initiation. You wouldn't even know someone tried it, but they would, as
they would automatically have file send priviledges revoked, and it
sends a message to the administrator, who has the right to removed the
offending user from the system entirely. As for 2, in over a year of
operation, noone has posted an infected link. In addition, the chances
of this would likely be less than your chances of this during daily
surfing of the web with a browser


Besides -- if I understand the operation of IRC properly, it is
a real-time medium. I need to be awake and logged in at the same time
as whoever else I am chatting with (like the unix "talk" program,
which I also did not like when I used it).

I far prefer being able to hold a discussion in non-real-time,
as I keep strange hours, and there are people all over the world in
this newsgroup (and thus, presumably in your IRC channel, if it takes
off as you desire.) The real-time nature of an IRC chanel would limit
who could take part in any given discussion.

Also -- this newsgroup is automatically archived, and can be
consulted months or years later (through the proper systems). Does
this apply to what you offer?


I will agree on those points. This service is not a replacement for the
newsgroup. It is just an extra venue for the users who may wish to
converse a topic in real time, vs. the hours or even days it may take
for a newsgroup post to propagate throughout the system. The users from
the other newsgroup who use the service find it a valuable asset. There
are many problem-solving things done, where you can work through a
problem in real time. i.e. You can get some ideas on what to check, or
look at. Go look or try something, come back in a few minutes and give
results...and then the process repeats until a solution is found.

The folks who currently use the IRC service are all knowledgeable in a
variety of subjects related to machining, several own thier own
business, some do repair work, others have vast years of experience in
cutting just about anything. All are friendly, willing to help, and all
around good folks.


--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

Remove sp to reply via email

Anthony wrote:

For those who may be interested, I posted this several days ago, but
someone made me realize the topic I chose was probably killfiled by a
majority.

I have set up a channel on my IRC server for the users (posters and
lurkers alike) of RCM. IRC is internet relay chat, a live-chat medium.
This allows instant communication between people all over the world. IRC
is one of the most popular chat mediums, having many millions of users,
hundreds of networks, and thousands of servers.

This is a private IRC server/network, ran from my server, and was set up
specifically for the users of another machining related newsgroup. It has
proven to be relatively popular there, so I thought I would extend the
offer to RCM, as it may be some interest to the users of RCM. This is a
good way to get to know your fellow posters a bit better. I do not wish
to take away from the newsgroup, but to enhance it by offering this
service.

There is no charge whatsoever for using this service, once you have
installed an IRC client software of your own choice (free, pay or
shareware). I personally have no stake and do not care which client you
choose, that decision is totally up to you.
Here is the deal: I will provide the bandwidth, the server, and server
administration free of charge, you provide your own client, yourself, and
your knowledge and wit....and we all have fun and exchange ideas.
- See the FAQ.

Feel free to stay connected as long as you wish.

Server: /server machines-cnc.net
Channel: /join #RCM
The server operates on the standard IRC port of 6667.
SSL connections are allowed.

FAQ: Please read!

Q: How do I connect?

A:
You will need an IRC client, many are available for all operating system
platforms.
mIRC is the most popular worldwide
vIRC is free and much improved in the latest version
Trillian is free and is a one-for-all client, connecting to IRC, AIM,
ICQ, MSN, and YAHOO all from one interface.
MS-Chat - a last-resort IRC chat client
The above are for windows platforms.
If you use Mozilla browser, chatzilla is free and while not fully
functional (lacking complete DCC [direct computer connection-file
trading] support) it is reported to be a good client.
For *nix users, I prefer Xchat over BitchX, or IIRS but to each thier
own.
For MAC users, there is IRCLE.

Client Links:

http://www.mirc.com
http://www.visualirc.net/beta.php
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ (Trillian, a purchased client, but a
very good one)
http://download.microsoft.com/msdown...n/MSCHAT25.EXE
http://www.ircle.com/
ftp.bitchx.org
http://www.xchat.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/

Some of these clients are shareware, some pay, some free.

Once installed, open the client, and type: /server machines-cnc.net
Once connected, type /join #RCM and you are there.

Q: My firewall reports scans coming from the IRC server on connect.
A:
The server does scan for, and deny connections to open proxies. If you
feel this is intrusive, do not use the service. This is for the
protection of the server and the users, and will not be changed.

Q: I have never used chat before, what is it like, and any hints?
A:
Please conduct yourself in an adult manner. Take into consideration the
nicknames you are talking to are real people, with real feelings,
opinions and personalities. Please respect the other people in the chat.
Please be aware that what you type can be read (interpreted) by someone
else in an entirely different manner than that which you may have written
it. Keep this important point in mind while chatting. Please be aware
that there are people from all over the planet who can connect to the
server. This brings in to play, the customs and norms of other
countries. The subjects can vary greatly from one minute to the next.
While the main topic is machining, and machines, a wide variety of other
topics will be discussed regularly, from how the day went, to what the
kids did yesterday...it's all about a community of people with similar
interests.
Relax, fall into the conversation, and have fun.

Q: Is language censored?
A:
No. The only word that is censored is one particular racist word (n****r)
and it's variations. All other language is up to you, but please see the
next Q.

Q: What about racism/discrimination?
A:
I do not and will not tolerate racism or discrimination because of age,
race, religous beliefs, ethnic background or nationality. If you come on
the server spewing racist or discriminatory remarks, you will find
yourself forcibly removed and permanently blocked from reconnecting.
Please read the MOTD (message of the day) when you connect to the server.

Q: I see a lot of abbreviations, what do they mean?
A:
Here is a short listing of the most common:
LOL: laffing out loud
ROFLMAO: rolling on the floor laffing my ass off
YMMV: your milage may vary
IMHO: in my humble opinion
FUBAR: you should know, if you work on machines, what this means
TTFN: ta-ta for now
BRB : be right back
AFK : away from the keyboard
BBIAM : be back in a minute
BBIAF : be back in a few minutes

Q: How do I make sure my nickname isn't used by someone else?
A:
You can register your nickname, type /nickserv help register when you log
on for instructions. (Instructions appear in the status/connection
window.) Or ask in channel for help. Registered nicknames allow the
administration to provide priviledges to users, such as channel operator
status and what not.

Q: Nickserv requires a valid email to complete registration, why?
A:
The email is required in order to prevent, or deter, spambots, ddos bots,
and the like from registering nicknames. Email addresses are not used for
any purpose other than registration, or in the case of an extreme need to
email all users by the administration. The server has been up since
November of 2003, I have yet to send an email to any address, I don't
foresee a real need to, since any notice can be put in the newsgroup
regarding service outages or what not. Email addresses will never be
sold/traded, or given away. The database on the server which contains the
nicknames, passwords and email addresses is encrypted.

Q: I have heard IRC is not very secure, what security measures are in
place?
A:
Your security is of a just concern, therefore I have taken considerable
steps in the configuration of the server to help ensure user security.
1) This is a small, private network. Since Nov. 2003, there have been
absolutely no issues with security. The group of current users are all
good folks.
2) Known filetype extentions that are commonly used for viri are blocked
at the server level from transfer via DCC (direct computer connection).
If you need/want to send an *.exe file, you must do the proper thing and
ZIP it first.
NOTE: For those unfamiliar, files cannot be sent to you without your
express acceptance.
3) Your host (IP) is hidden upon connect. Others (with the exception of
network administration) cannot get your specific IP unless you initiate a
DCC session with them.
4) Spam is filtered (this has not been an issue so far, and until we get
into the 100's of users category, I don't forsee it being an issue, but
the server has the ability to easily filter for spam.)
5) SSL connections are available.
6) As stated in the email question, all passwords, email addresses, and
the like are stored in an encrypted database.
7) Services (Nickserv, Memoserv, Workcell (chanserv)) are provided via
ircservices, which is a robust and well proven services package.

If you have any further questions feel free to ask.

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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I saw it last time it was posted.

Sorry. Not interested.

With limited access to the net, and better things to do than sit in
front of the box demonstrating my slow speed typing, I'd much rather
deal with a medium that allows me time to think about what I wish to
say.

The other downside to the chat thing that I can see, is that the advice
you will get there is limited to the few that will be there at the time.
I'd much rather have advice from the whole community, with the added
benefit of peer review (aka, someone to call BS on a BS advisement). If
I need advice from one or more particular person(s), I can deal with
that via email or on the phone. More likely email, though.


Cheers
Trevor Jones

Trevor Jones wrote in
:



I saw it last time it was posted.

Sorry. Not interested.

With limited access to the net, and better things to do than sit in
front of the box demonstrating my slow speed typing, I'd much rather
deal with a medium that allows me time to think about what I wish to
say.

The other downside to the chat thing that I can see, is that the
advice
you will get there is limited to the few that will be there at the
time. I'd much rather have advice from the whole community, with the
added benefit of peer review (aka, someone to call BS on a BS
advisement). If I need advice from one or more particular person(s), I
can deal with that via email or on the phone. More likely email,
though.


Cheers
Trevor Jones


Not a problem...was just an offer. Makes no difference to me.



--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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Anthony wrote:
(DoN. Nichols) wrote in
:



I saw it, but decided not to reply.


I have always opted to never run an IRC client (let alone a
server) on any of my systems. They were not written with security in
mind, and it is too easy for Trojans to be uploaded and activated by
them.


Lets dispel this unfounded rumor right here. It is as safe as any other
program that accesses the internet, and infinately more safe than IE.

Since I never use IE for accessing the net (and don't allow any
machine which even can run Windows to access the net), this is not a
problem.

With Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, or Amaya, I have many services
intentionally disabled, and access only from unix systems.

In order for a trojan to get on your system through IRC, *YOU*, as the
Executive Keyboard Operations Manager of your computer system, would
have to either 1) accept, receive, then specifically execute a file
containing a trojan

And, in most cases, move that file to a vulnerable system, as
(for example) I *Cannot* run a .exe or .scr file on the systems which I
allow to access the net.

, or 2) open a http:// link in an unpatched, or
insecurely set up IE, to a website which contained malacious code.

I would not even allow a program which *could* access an HTTP
client directly. When I want to view a referenced web page, I sweep out
the URL with a mouse, and then past it into a command line. In the
process, I can examine the link for various signs that it is to
something undesirable, such as a difference between the "visible" link
and the *actual* link -- often hidden in HTML-enabled programs..

On
this server, the likelyhood of 1 occuring is virtually nil, as all known
trojan filetype extentions are blocked at the server from transfer
initiation.

That is a good start -- until someone comes up with a new
extension which can be exploited and uses it before you discover the new
exposure.

You wouldn't even know someone tried it, but they would, as
they would automatically have file send priviledges revoked, and it
sends a message to the administrator, who has the right to removed the
offending user from the system entirely. As for 2, in over a year of
operation, noone has posted an infected link.

I presume that you check for infection at the time that they are
posted. It is possible for a link to become infected (through improper
security on the server) at a later time -- but since this is a real-time
setup, that is probably not a problem here.

In addition, the chances
of this would likely be less than your chances of this during daily
surfing of the web with a browser

Even considering that I have things like java and JavaScript
turned off, and my browers and system *can't* do anything with Active-X
at all?


Besides -- if I understand the operation of IRC properly, it is
a real-time medium. I need to be awake and logged in at the same time
as whoever else I am chatting with (like the unix "talk" program,
which I also did not like when I used it).

I far prefer being able to hold a discussion in non-real-time,
as I keep strange hours, and there are people all over the world in
this newsgroup (and thus, presumably in your IRC channel, if it takes
off as you desire.) The real-time nature of an IRC channel would limit
who could take part in any given discussion.

Also -- this newsgroup is automatically archived, and can be
consulted months or years later (through the proper systems). Does
this apply to what you offer?


I will agree on those points. This service is not a replacement for the
newsgroup. It is just an extra venue for the users who may wish to
converse a topic in real time, vs. the hours or even days it may take
for a newsgroup post to propagate throughout the system. The users from
the other newsgroup who use the service find it a valuable asset. There
are many problem-solving things done, where you can work through a
problem in real time. i.e. You can get some ideas on what to check, or
look at. Go look or try something, come back in a few minutes and give
results...and then the process repeats until a solution is found.

For me, private e-mail works well enough for that purpose.

The folks who currently use the IRC service are all knowledgeable in a
variety of subjects related to machining, several own thier own
business, some do repair work, others have vast years of experience in
cutting just about anything. All are friendly, willing to help, and all
around good folks.

As I am far more often on the answering than the questioning
side of things, I suspect that I can live without your IRC service, and
as it is, the net takes up too much of my day as it is. I don't need to
add anything more.

Good Luck,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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