Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea�s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

Their rocket fuel is from electrolysis of water (hydrogen and oxygen).

Their flight control sensors are from smartphone parts.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:39:19 -0400, RvnMLF?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uRuDGq
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea?s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

No, you showed us a cartoon drawing that you probably don't
understand.


Their rocket fuel is from electrolysis of water (hydrogen and oxygen).

Their flight control sensors are from smartphone parts.

And you've shown us that you're a simple-minded troll.

Enjoy your psychosis.

--
Ed Huntress

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters. Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 7:59 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:39:19 -0400, RvnMLF?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uRuDGq
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea?s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

No, you showed us a cartoon drawing that you probably don't
understand.

That is not a 'cartoon drawing'. That is a schematic diagram of a V2
Rocket (the very first viable rocket made by Hitler's rocket
scientists). All the US rockets were based on that after the US captured
and shanghaied Hitler's rocket scientists; either bring the rocket
technology to work for Uncle Sam or face the Nuremberg Trial:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png




Their rocket fuel is from electrolysis of water (hydrogen and oxygen).

Their flight control sensors are from smartphone parts.

And you've shown us that you're a simple-minded troll.

Enjoy your psychosis.

On 8/25/2017 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters.

I've filtered that jackball's posts for a couple of years now. He said
I couldn't do it, but it's easy.

Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric

wrote on 8/25/2017 8:11 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters. Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric


Maybe you can watch the two embedded YouTube videos on this page to
confirm how many nozzles they actually have (hint: 4).
https://www.rt.com/news/340588-hypersonic-warhead-sarmat-tested/




https://www.rt.com/news/340588-hypersonic-warhead-sarmat-tested/

rHuipoš›†� ï¼*ｉｇｈｔｙ •¬ ï¼·ï½�ｎｎï½�ｂｅ †’š›evgJBp wrote on 8/25/2017 7:34 PM:
wrote on 8/25/2017 7:02 PM:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuDš›†� ï¼*ｉｇｈｔｙ
•¬ ï¼·ï½�ｎｎï½�ｂｅ †’t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg


Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on
each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a
current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?


Please educate yourself by observing the new Russian RS-28 'Sarmat'
heavy lift ICBM set to replace their 'Satan'. The photo at the bottom of
the page shows it has 4 nozzles:
https://www.rt.com/news/363981-russian-icbm-sarmat-missile/

Here is the blowup view:
https://img.rt.com/files/2016.04/original/5719dda2c36188dd228b45ac.jpg


I accept your apology.


More to that. Please feast your eyes. SpaceX 'Falcon 9' rocket has 9
nozzles:
https://abm-website-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/manufacturing.net/s3fs-public/falcon%209%20spacex.jpg

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

yes, very impressive, if you're in the 1960s.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.

"the rocket experts". LOL

North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.

More experts? better grab some paper and a pen to take notes.

HtOVBf?? ?????? ? ??????? ??fUEtdX wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/25/2017 9:21 AM:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"sTQjSE?? Mighty + Wannabe ??oPFbEi" wrote in
message ...
Martin Eastburn wrote on 8/24/2017 11:12 PM:
If you remember, China was blowing up missiles off the launch pad
until
- The then President Clinton gave the Chinese the inertial guidance
system


Please explain how "inertial guidance system" can mitigate "blowing
up missiles off the launch pad".

Common sense dictates that the guidance system inside a missile has
nothing to do with a missile blowing up off the launch pad.


The Range Safety Officer sends a self-destruct command if the
missile's guidance fails, to prevent it from causing damage wherever
it might otherwise fall.

there are no range safety officers in china.

see for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek


When a rocket launch failed off the launch pad, it was the rocket
propulsion engine that failed, not the 'guidance system'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qJh9upqW8

None of those 5 rocket failures crashed into a city. Only china could pull
off that trick.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:21:07 -0400, MFUwjB?? ?????? ? ??????? ??CDrOqN
wrote:

wrote on 8/25/2017 8:11 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters. Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric


Maybe you can watch the two embedded YouTube videos on this page to
confirm how many nozzles they actually have (hint: 4).
https://www.rt.com/news/340588-hypersonic-warhead-sarmat-tested/


Well, a couple of things. You have been talking about rocket fuel
being essentially oxygen and hydrogen.... but the missile you are now
referring to uses asymmetrical dimethylhidrazine and nitrogen
tetraoxide.

Another minor detail, you have been repeatedly referring to a missile
having 3 exhaust nozzles but the one you use in your current argument
has four... in the first stage. while the second stage has a
closed-cycle single chambered sustainer and a four chambered open
cycle control motor with four rotating nozzles.

No mention at all about oxygen, hydrogen or three nozzles.

Another thing, the guidance system is referred to as: "The missile
employed an inertial guidance system that was is estimated by some
Western sources to have an operational CEP of 0.3 nm in 1975 with a
potential CEP of 0.25 nm by 1980."

Or, to put it another way, you simply don't know what you are talking
about.

Wait up a second. I now realize that while you were talking about
"three" in your earlier missives you have how shown us a 4 nozzle
missile.... obviously you are short of fingers.

Was this some sort of accident? Or a birth defect?
--
Cheers,

Schweik

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:15:47 -0400, OZoqYV?? ?????? ? ??????? ??iTkbaX
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 7:59 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:39:19 -0400, RvnMLF?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uRuDGq
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea?s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

No, you showed us a cartoon drawing that you probably don't
understand.

That is not a 'cartoon drawing'. That is a schematic diagram of a V2
Rocket (the very first viable rocket made by Hitler's rocket
scientists). All the US rockets were based on that after the US captured
and shanghaied Hitler's rocket scientists; either bring the rocket
technology to work for Uncle Sam or face the Nuremberg Trial:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png


schematic ~ adj
1. represented in simplified or symbolic form

Is this a slip of the tongue? Or perhaps you just don't understand
complex matters? Have to rely on a simplified drawing?

While it may come as a surprise, some here can actually "read" a
print. Why not something a bit more detailed, say
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c826c94c.jpgV2
rocket motor.

Strange though, the three exhaust nozzles that you keep mentioning
seem strangely absent.
--
Cheers,

Schweik

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/26/2017 1:56 AM:
HtOVBf?? ?????? ? ??????? ??fUEtdX wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/25/2017 9:21 AM:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"sTQjSE?? Mighty + Wannabe ??oPFbEi" wrote in
message ...
Martin Eastburn wrote on 8/24/2017 11:12 PM:
If you remember, China was blowing up missiles off the launch pad
until
- The then President Clinton gave the Chinese the inertial guidance
system


Please explain how "inertial guidance system" can mitigate "blowing
up missiles off the launch pad".

Common sense dictates that the guidance system inside a missile has
nothing to do with a missile blowing up off the launch pad.


The Range Safety Officer sends a self-destruct command if the
missile's guidance fails, to prevent it from causing damage wherever
it might otherwise fall.

there are no range safety officers in china.

see for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek


When a rocket launch failed off the launch pad, it was the rocket
propulsion engine that failed, not the 'guidance system'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qJh9upqW8

None of those 5 rocket failures crashed into a city. Only china could pull
off that trick.


The point I was trying to make is that North Korea's success in new
missiles (not blowing up off the launch pad) has nothing to do with
Clinton giving them the 'guidance system'.

Nobody needs Clinton's 'guidance system'. All the sensors required for
flight control and guidance system are inside modern smartphones (and
China makes almost all the smartphones in the world).

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

wrote on 8/26/2017 3:00 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:15:47 -0400, OZoqYV?? ?????? ? ??????? ??iTkbaX
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 7:59 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:39:19 -0400, RvnMLF?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uRuDGq
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea?s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

No, you showed us a cartoon drawing that you probably don't
understand.

That is not a 'cartoon drawing'. That is a schematic diagram of a V2
Rocket (the very first viable rocket made by Hitler's rocket
scientists). All the US rockets were based on that after the US captured
and shanghaied Hitler's rocket scientists; either bring the rocket
technology to work for Uncle Sam or face the Nuremberg Trial:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png


schematic ~ adj
1. represented in simplified or symbolic form

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/schematic

schematic
noun: a diagram, plan, or drawing:



Is this a slip of the tongue? Or perhaps you just don't understand
complex matters? Have to rely on a simplified drawing?

Have you graduated from primary school yet?



While it may come as a surprise, some here can actually "read" a
print. Why not something a bit more detailed, say
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c826c94c.jpgV2
rocket motor.

You'd better stick with talking about hammer and anvil. Rocket science
is way out of your league.


Strange though, the three exhaust nozzles that you keep mentioning
seem strangely absent.

If you look at the first schematic diagram of the V2 rocket, you should
see that V2 rocket was using wings and fins (at the bottom of the
picture) for steering.

Modern rockets have no wings or fins, you fool. The steering is done by
adjusting the thrust of the various nozzles. Two nozzles won't do the
trick. It has to be three or more nozzles in order to cover all the
headings.

wrote on 8/26/2017 2:46 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:21:07 -0400, MFUwjB?? ?????? ? ??????? ??CDrOqN
wrote:

wrote on 8/25/2017 8:11 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters. Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric


Maybe you can watch the two embedded YouTube videos on this page to
confirm how many nozzles they actually have (hint: 4).
https://www.rt.com/news/340588-hypersonic-warhead-sarmat-tested/


Well, a couple of things. You have been talking about rocket fuel
being essentially oxygen and hydrogen.... but the missile you are now
referring to uses asymmetrical dimethylhidrazine and nitrogen
tetraoxide.

Another minor detail, you have been repeatedly referring to a missile
having 3 exhaust nozzles but the one you use in your current argument
has four... in the first stage. while the second stage has a
closed-cycle single chambered sustainer and a four chambered open
cycle control motor with four rotating nozzles.

No mention at all about oxygen, hydrogen or three nozzles.

Another thing, the guidance system is referred to as: "The missile
employed an inertial guidance system that was is estimated by some
Western sources to have an operational CEP of 0.3 nm in 1975 with a
potential CEP of 0.25 nm by 1980."

Or, to put it another way, you simply don't know what you are talking
about.

Wait up a second. I now realize that while you were talking about
"three" in your earlier missives you have how shown us a 4 nozzle
missile.... obviously you are short of fingers.

Was this some sort of accident? Or a birth defect?

Here I quote what I had posted about the number of nozzles. Which part
of "at least three nozzles" don't you understand? Are you stupid or were
you born that way?

Quote
As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg
Unquote

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:08 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

yes, very impressive, if you're in the 1960s.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.

"the rocket experts". LOL

North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.

More experts? better grab some paper and a pen to take notes.

Oh wait, C.L. doesn't need experts. He has a team of morons who know
it all.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?
--
Cheers,

Schweik

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 8:11:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Dan, This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about
Eric

Got to agree with you on that.

Dan

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians

Who? Are those the folks that resisted the russian takeover?

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:08 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

yes, very impressive, if you're in the 1960s.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.

"the rocket experts". LOL

North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.

More experts? better grab some paper and a pen to take notes.

Oh wait, C.L. doesn't need experts. He has a team of morons who know
it all.

Do you mean "rocket experts"?

Who is on your Rocket Expertise Team?

SBPktv?? ?????? ? ??????? ??EvdiKG wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/26/2017 1:56 AM:
HtOVBf?? ?????? ? ??????? ??fUEtdX wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/25/2017 9:21 AM:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"sTQjSE?? Mighty + Wannabe ??oPFbEi" wrote in
message ...
Martin Eastburn wrote on 8/24/2017 11:12 PM:
If you remember, China was blowing up missiles off the launch pad
until
- The then President Clinton gave the Chinese the inertial guidance
system


Please explain how "inertial guidance system" can mitigate "blowing
up missiles off the launch pad".

Common sense dictates that the guidance system inside a missile has
nothing to do with a missile blowing up off the launch pad.


The Range Safety Officer sends a self-destruct command if the
missile's guidance fails, to prevent it from causing damage wherever
it might otherwise fall.

there are no range safety officers in china.

see for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek


When a rocket launch failed off the launch pad, it was the rocket
propulsion engine that failed, not the 'guidance system'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qJh9upqW8

None of those 5 rocket failures crashed into a city. Only china could pull
off that trick.


The point I was trying to make is that North Korea's success in new
missiles (not blowing up off the launch pad) has nothing to do with
Clinton giving them the 'guidance system'.

Nobody needs Clinton's 'guidance system'. All the sensors required for
flight control and guidance system are inside modern smartphones (and
China makes almost all the smartphones in the world).

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

how accurate will the readings be when my phone taped to a missile is when
travelling at speeds of 4miles per second. Let me know.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:10:17 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians

Who? Are those the folks that resisted the russian takeover?


Nah..these people....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine


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On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


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The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead makes em whimpy or not......what do you
think?

http://theweek.com/articles/449691/u...-brief-history

Ukraine's fraught relationship with Russia: A brief history
Theunis Bates

March 8, 2014

Why is Ukraine so important to Russia?
The two neighboring countries have been intertwined for over 1,000
years of tumultuous history. Today, Ukraine is one of Russia's biggest
markets for natural gas exports, a crucial transit route to the rest
of Europe, and home to an estimated 7.5 million ethnic Russians — who
mostly live in eastern Ukraine and the southern region of Crimea. (All
told, about 25 percent of Ukraine's 46 million people claim Russian as
their mother tongue.) Russia lacks natural borders like rivers and
mountains along its western frontier, so "its leaders have
traditionally seen the maintenance of a sphere of influence over the
countries around it as source of security," said David Clark, chairman
of the Russia Foundation, a think tank. That's especially true of
Ukraine, which Russia regards as its little brother. "Everybody knows
that Ukrainians are Russians," said Kremlin adviser Sergei Markov.
"Except for the Galicians" — a reference to the Ukrainian-speaking
residents of western Ukraine.

Why do Russians see Ukraine as theirs?
It's partly because both nations trace their roots back to the first
East Slavic state, Kievan Rus, which stretched from the Baltic to the
Black Sea from the 9th century to the mid-13th century. This medieval
empire was founded, oddly enough, by Vikings — "Rus" is the Slavic
word given to the red-haired Scandinavians — who swept down from the
north in the 9th century, conquered the local Slavic tribes, and
established their capital at Kiev. The kingdom converted to Eastern
Orthodox Christianity in 988, laying the foundation of the modern
Russian church. A French bishop sent to Ukraine reported, "This land
is more unified, happier, stronger, and more civilized than France
herself." But in the 13th century Kiev was devastated by Mongol
invaders, and power shifted north to a small Rus trading outpost
called Moscow.

What happened to Ukraine after Kievan Rus fell?
Its territory was carved up by competing powers, who prized the
fertile plains and rich, dark soil that later earned Ukraine the
nickname "the breadbasket of Europe." Catholic Poland and Lithuania
dominated the country for hundreds of years, but by the end of the
18th century Imperial Russia had grabbed most of Ukraine, except for
Galicia, which was controlled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The
czars referred to their dominion as "little Russia" and tried to crush
surging Ukrainian nationalism in the 1840s, banning the use of the
Ukrainian language in schools.

How did Ukraine break away?
The first independent Ukrainian state was declared in Kiev in 1917,
following the collapse of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires at
the end of World War I. That independence was short-lived. The new
country was invaded by Poland, and fought over by forces loyal to the
czar and Moscow's new Bolshevik government, which took power in
Russia's 1918 revolution. By the time Ukraine was incorporated into
the Soviet Union in 1922, its economy was in tatters and its populace
starving. Worse was to come. When Ukrainian peasants refused to join
collective farms in the 1930s, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin
orchestrated mass executions and a famine that killed up to 10 million
people. Afterward, Stalin imported millions of Russians and other
Soviet citizens to help repopulate the coal- and iron-ore-rich east.
This mass migration, said former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Steven
Pifer, helps explain why "the sense of Ukrainian nationalism is not as
deep in the east as it is in the west." World War II exacerbated this
divide.

What happened during the war?
When the Nazis invaded Ukraine in 1941, many locals welcomed the
Germans as liberators from the Soviets, and tens of thousands even
fought alongside them, hoping Adolf Hitler would reward them with an
independent state. Later, when the Nazis began using Ukrainians as
slave labor, about 2.5 million fought for Stalin's Red Army. The
country became one of World War II's bloodiest battlefields. At least
5.3 million Ukrainians died during the war — about one sixth of the
population. About 2.25 million of those killed were Jews, targeted by
both the Nazis and some Ukrainian collaborators. At the end of the
war, Stalin deported tens of thousands of Ukrainians accused of
cooperating with the Nazis to Siberian prison camps, and executed
thousands more.

When did Ukraine become truly independent?
In 1991, more than 90 percent of Ukrainians voted to declare
independence from the crumbling Soviet Union. But Russia continued to
meddle in the country's affairs. In Ukraine's 2004 presidential
election, the Kremlin backed pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovych.
Massive fraud in that election sparked the Orange Revolution, which
kept Yanukovych from power. The failure of subsequent leaders led to
Yanukovych's making a comeback in 2010. But after he canceled a trade
deal with the European Union, he was driven from office again last
month by pro-Western demonstrators. Despite the world's outrage,
Russian President Vladimir Putin is unlikely to let Ukraine leave his
country's orbit. "Russia without Ukraine is a country," explains
Daniel Drezner, an international politics professor at Tufts
University. "Russia with Ukraine is an empire."

Crimea: Khrushchev's mysterious gift
Crimea has become a flash point in the struggle between Kiev and
Moscow, with Russian troops seizing control of the southern peninsula
bordering on the Black Sea. But exactly why this region — which has a
majority ethnic Russian population and is home to Russia's Black Sea
fleet — ended up as part of Ukraine is something of a mystery. The
peninsula had been ruled by Russia for centuries when Soviet leader
Nikita Khrushchev suddenly gifted it to Kiev in 1954. Many Russians
think Khrushchev was drunk when he signed the Crimea away, while
others believe he was trying make amends for the Ukrainian famine. The
handover remains deeply unpopular with ordinary Russians, 56 percent
of whom view Crimea as Russian territory, far more than feel a claim
on Chechnya. "Many see Putin as the one who returned some of Russia's
strengths,'' said Denis Volkov, an independent Russian pollster. "I
think he will use this idea of the loss of the Soviet Union to drum up
support with Crimea."

I should mention, I personally know several Ukrainian immigrants.
Pussies..they are not. Boy howdy no.


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Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/26/2017 11:20 PM:
SBPktv?? ?????? ? ??????? ??EvdiKG wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/26/2017 1:56 AM:
HtOVBf?? ?????? ? ??????? ??fUEtdX wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote on 8/25/2017 9:21 AM:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"sTQjSE?? Mighty + Wannabe ??oPFbEi" wrote in
message ...
Martin Eastburn wrote on 8/24/2017 11:12 PM:
If you remember, China was blowing up missiles off the launch pad
until
- The then President Clinton gave the Chinese the inertial guidance
system


Please explain how "inertial guidance system" can mitigate "blowing
up missiles off the launch pad".

Common sense dictates that the guidance system inside a missile has
nothing to do with a missile blowing up off the launch pad.


The Range Safety Officer sends a self-destruct command if the
missile's guidance fails, to prevent it from causing damage wherever
it might otherwise fall.

there are no range safety officers in china.

see for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek


When a rocket launch failed off the launch pad, it was the rocket
propulsion engine that failed, not the 'guidance system'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qJh9upqW8

None of those 5 rocket failures crashed into a city. Only china could pull
off that trick.


The point I was trying to make is that North Korea's success in new
missiles (not blowing up off the launch pad) has nothing to do with
Clinton giving them the 'guidance system'.

Nobody needs Clinton's 'guidance system'. All the sensors required for
flight control and guidance system are inside modern smartphones (and
China makes almost all the smartphones in the world).

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

how accurate will the readings be when my phone taped to a missile is when
travelling at speeds of 4miles per second. Let me know.


4 miles per second is peanuts.

Do you know we are all hurtling in space around the Sun at 18.5 miles
per second, while our Earth is spinning around its own axis at the same
time? Our analog clocks and watches have been very accurate at keeping time.

Have you heard of Einstein's Theory of Relativity, and his
thought-experiment of a person inside a moving train, a spaceship, or a
falling elevator?

To answer your question, the sensors in your phone taped to a missile
traveling at speeds of 4 miles per second will be as accurate as when
you are holding it in your hand while walking on the street. The sensors
inside a smartphone will measure the gravity, rotation vector,
acceleration, pressure and orientation just the same.

Here are some more fun facts:

How fast is the Earth spinning?
0.5 km/sec

How fast is the Earth revolving around the Sun?
30 km/sec

How fast is the Solar System moving around the Milky Way Galaxy?
250 km/sec

How fast is our Milky Way Galaxy moving in the Local Group of galaxies?
300 km/sec

Wasn't Born To Follow wrote on 8/25/2017 12:53 PM:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:38:32 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Look at the brainless dweeb trying to make it appear he
knows something about rocketry.

Hahahaha! Hey, Mark "aerospace" Wieber, since YOU'RE implying that
you know something about rocketry, this is a good time to ask... did
you figure out how to make your septic water drain into the ground
yet? Seems like that should be the top item on your bucket list.


Gunner is so busy manning his glory-hole booth he doesn't even have time
to die.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 07:12:50 -0400, MFUolu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??HcbspV
wrote:

wrote on 8/26/2017 3:00 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:15:47 -0400, OZoqYV?? ?????? ? ??????? ??iTkbaX
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 7:59 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:39:19 -0400, RvnMLF?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uRuDGq
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 6:41 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:54:25 -0400, iwgPeo?? ?????? ? ??????? ??nqXXfn
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 5:12 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:28:15 -0400, WbKKlu?? ?????? ? ??????? ??YGUzRT
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:49 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:36:09 -0400, FqFisA?? ?????? ? ??????? ??xGnjoQ
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 11:10 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:44:15 -0400, avlWst?? ?????? ? ??????? ??UXuJNF
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/25/2017 9:52 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine, just russia.

We must have different world maps.


But they say they're not making engines for N. Korea. The CIA probably
knows the answer to this, but it could be that Russian engineers or
unemployed Ukranians are helping N.Korea to build them.

The key point was in realizing what was new about their program. In
roughly one year, they made progress that is widely thought to have
been impossible, or nearly so.

Launching a rocket into the ocean isn't really that impressive, unless
you're trying to catch up with the 1960s.

Launching one to an altitude of 2,300 miles is very impressive. Angle
the trajectory down, and most US cities are in range.

Did you follow the analyses of the launch data? The rocket experts say
the last one is a game changer.


North korea is a joke, but at least they'd put up a fight if the russians
walked over and said "this is ours now."

Security experts are focused on other issues regarding North Korea.


Kim Jong-Un doesn't need to buy old rockets from Ukraine. Rocket engine
schematic diagrams are readily available on the internet.

RS-25 schematic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:Ssme_schematic_(updated).svg

As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg

North Korea's Kim Jong-Un and his rocket scientists had the smarts to
assemble their own rocket engine from Home Depot parts, and use the
sensors in a smartphone for the guidance system.

You seem to have a cartoonish view of engineering, a lot like the
cartoon drawing you linked to above.

The most fundamental problem with your "analysis" is that they DIDN'T
have the smarts to build even reliable shorter-range rockets, until,
quite suddenly, they had success with much larger and longer-range
rockets. Intelligence services were scratching their heads.

But Kim Jong Un's egotism led him to have photos of the new engines
published, and US intelligence analysts

The problem you have is your blind trust in your "US intelligence
analysts".

I don't have a problem, but you do, trying to explain why N. Korea
couldn't build a reliable mid-range rocket, and now, suddenly, they're
building successful ICBMs.

Explain that one with your paranoid fantasies.



They switched from 'Bing' to 'Google' and found the right schematic'.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket has no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation





They are the same clowns who didn't know the 9/11
perpetrators were hatching their plan for 10 years right inside the US,
and who said Saddam Hussein had WMD (which was proven didn't exist).
They are famous for writing their reports by making **** up while on the
loo.


quickly realized they're now
using Russian-designed engines from the Cold War era. Those engines
were originally made in the Ukraine.

You would know all of this if you listened to the podcast instead of
speculating about cartoon drawings and Home Depot.


Now I'm sure you're pulling our legs. No one is that stupid.


North Korea's quantum leap in missile technology coincides with their
foray into smartphone manufactu

Kim Jong Un inspects North Korea?s first smartphone, an Android clone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/08/12/kim-jong-un-inspects-north-koreas-first-ever-smartphone-an-android-clone/?utm_term=.2e3364ec48ab


It corresponds to their getting their hands on Russian rocket engines.



Why buy when you can make your own? I have already shown you how easy it
is to make a rocket.

No, you showed us a cartoon drawing that you probably don't
understand.

That is not a 'cartoon drawing'. That is a schematic diagram of a V2
Rocket (the very first viable rocket made by Hitler's rocket
scientists). All the US rockets were based on that after the US captured
and shanghaied Hitler's rocket scientists; either bring the rocket
technology to work for Uncle Sam or face the Nuremberg Trial:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg/1000px-V-2_rocket_diagram_%28with_English_labels%29.svg.png


schematic ~ adj
1. represented in simplified or symbolic form

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/schematic

schematic
noun: a diagram, plan, or drawing:



Is this a slip of the tongue? Or perhaps you just don't understand
complex matters? Have to rely on a simplified drawing?

Have you graduated from primary school yet?



While it may come as a surprise, some here can actually "read" a
print. Why not something a bit more detailed, say
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c826c94c.jpgV2
rocket motor.

You'd better stick with talking about hammer and anvil. Rocket science
is way out of your league.


Strange though, the three exhaust nozzles that you keep mentioning
seem strangely absent.

If you look at the first schematic diagram of the V2 rocket, you should
see that V2 rocket was using wings and fins (at the bottom of the
picture) for steering.

Modern rockets have no wings or fins, you fool. The steering is done by
adjusting the thrust of the various nozzles. Two nozzles won't do the
trick. It has to be three or more nozzles in order to cover all the
headings.


The series of question marks you use in your "nyme" is certainly
enlightening. Quite obviously the world is somewhat of a mystery to
you.

Your comment about the V2 having wings is certainly evidence of the
complete lack of knowledge that you have about the subject in which
you claim to be such an expert.

A V2 has no wings! Repeat after me, "NO Wings!"
What a V2 has is guidance vanes useful during the first few seconds of
the 65 second powered phase whereupon the missile is in ballistic
flight.... unless of course you wish to argue that there is sufficient
atmosphere at 164,050 feet to allow "wings" to support the missile?

Yes Sir, the question mark kid. Otherwise known as the living proof of
reincarnation...

No one could get that dumb in just one lifetime.
--
Cheers,

Schweik

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 07:23:07 -0400, BFCfXZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uqhYde
wrote:

wrote on 8/26/2017 2:46 AM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:21:07 -0400, MFUwjB?? ?????? ? ??????? ??CDrOqN
wrote:

wrote on 8/25/2017 8:11 PM:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 5:49:32 PM UTC-4, jebAuD?? ?????? ? ??????? ?t

Of course there is 'vectored thrust', but rockets are 'single-use'. It
is easier and simpler to use a computer program to control the power of
the three individual nozzles to get the rocket to point to the direction
you want it to go. Controlling the power is as easy as controlling the
rate of flow of air-fuel mixture through a valve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:SSME1.jpg

Wrong again. It is a bunch more complicated to have three nozzles on each stage than to have one nozzle per stage. Can you tell me of a current production rocket that uses three or more nozzles per stage?

Dan
Dan,
It is obvious that the person who keeps posting about how easy it is
to make rocket engines is full of it. This person obviously doesn't
know what they are talking about and is just trying to get someone's
goat. C'mon, whoever it is won't post their real name and changes
their nym with every post in an attempt to avoid filters. Why bother
responding? I'm sick of all the crap posted by babies. Let them eat
**** while we just ignore them and get back to metalworking. I'm
serious Dan, don't bother responding to any of their crap. Let them
dig in their diapers for tasty morsels, RCM is not for **** eating
babies and they shouldn't be encouraged.
Eric


Maybe you can watch the two embedded YouTube videos on this page to
confirm how many nozzles they actually have (hint: 4).
https://www.rt.com/news/340588-hypersonic-warhead-sarmat-tested/


Well, a couple of things. You have been talking about rocket fuel
being essentially oxygen and hydrogen.... but the missile you are now
referring to uses asymmetrical dimethylhidrazine and nitrogen
tetraoxide.

Another minor detail, you have been repeatedly referring to a missile
having 3 exhaust nozzles but the one you use in your current argument
has four... in the first stage. while the second stage has a
closed-cycle single chambered sustainer and a four chambered open
cycle control motor with four rotating nozzles.

No mention at all about oxygen, hydrogen or three nozzles.

Another thing, the guidance system is referred to as: "The missile
employed an inertial guidance system that was is estimated by some
Western sources to have an operational CEP of 0.3 nm in 1975 with a
potential CEP of 0.25 nm by 1980."

Or, to put it another way, you simply don't know what you are talking
about.

Wait up a second. I now realize that while you were talking about
"three" in your earlier missives you have how shown us a 4 nozzle
missile.... obviously you are short of fingers.

Was this some sort of accident? Or a birth defect?

Here I quote what I had posted about the number of nozzles. Which part
of "at least three nozzles" don't you understand? Are you stupid or were
you born that way?

Quote
As I said before, you need at least three nozzles so that you can make
the rocket go whatever direction you want it to go (by adjusting the
power of each individual nozzle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#/media/File:020408_STS110_Atlantis_launch.jpg
Unquote


Yup the Question mark Kid is back.

And apparently the difference between three and four is still proving
a bit troublesome to him.

Tell us was it some form of birth effect that causes the problem? I
mean most of us can get all the way to ten before we have to take our
shoes off but you seem to be having a problem with little teeny
numbers.

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Cheers,

Schweik

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.

Sort of like California where Gunner tells that the Mexicans and the
(what do you call 'em?) White Challenged have taken over and an honest
man can't hardly get on the relief rolls any more?



--
Cheers,

Schweik

wrote on 8/27/2017 8:32 AM:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.

Sort of like California where Gunner tells that the Mexicans and the
(what do you call 'em?) White Challenged have taken over and an honest
man can't hardly get on the relief rolls any more?


Mark Wieber doen't need to get on any relief roll. Gunner has a thriving
glory-hole booth business going nicely in Taft.

Gunner is not greedy. At $2 a pop, even the beggar at the street corner
can afford to pay him.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:11:46 -0400, iQWfju?? ?????? ? ??????? ??RdJxea
wrote:

wrote on 8/27/2017 8:32 AM:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.

Sort of like California where Gunner tells that the Mexicans and the
(what do you call 'em?) White Challenged have taken over and an honest
man can't hardly get on the relief rolls any more?


Mark Wieber doen't need to get on any relief roll. Gunner has a thriving
glory-hole booth business going nicely in Taft.

Gunner is not greedy. At $2 a pop, even the beggar at the street corner
can afford to pay him.


And you have proof of this? Trot out your cites.

Or is this just more hate and buffoonery from a Leftist mentally ill
pervert..but I repeat myself.

Canuckistan...is that where you live..on the Dole....?




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On 8/26/2017 11:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Wayne Autrey wrote on 8/27/2017 1:31 PM:
On 8/26/2017 11:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ???????
??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print
somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html


Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the
flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow
instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to
earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the
rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an
interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as
no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to
make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html


Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the
sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en


This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your
Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its
destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building
ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine
factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:34:57 -0400, hqZyed?? ?????? ? ??????? ??jGiEOf
wrote:

Wayne Autrey wrote on 8/27/2017 1:31 PM:
On 8/26/2017 11:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ???????
??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print
somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html


Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the
flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow
instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to
earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the
rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an
interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as
no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to
make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html


Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the
sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en


This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your
Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its
destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building
ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine
factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.


Yet you clamp your lips over my asshole and suck it up while making
happy noises


http://holodomorct.org/history.html

http://torugg.org/History/history_of_ukraine.html

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/History.asp

http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-19.html

http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-20.html

and so on and so forth.

Im fascinated that you boobs keep claiming Im full of ****..but I
document my statements and you asshats never offer anything to refute
the cites..you just grab your widdle peckers proudly and dance in
circles claiming Im aways wrong.

If Im always wrong..prove it. Post cites refuting mine. Try at least
to show that you dicklickers have 2 connected brain cells.

Double dog dare you!

Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!!




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On 8/27/2017 12:52 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:34:57 -0400, hqZyed?? ?????? ? ??????? ??jGiEOf
wrote:

Wayne Autrey wrote on 8/27/2017 1:31 PM:
On 8/26/2017 11:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ???????
??TeRcSC
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print
somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html


Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the
flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow
instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to
earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the
rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an
interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as
no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to
make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html


Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the
sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en


This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your
Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its
destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building
ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine
factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


---


The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.


Yet you clamp your lips over my asshole and suck it up while making
happy noises


http://holodomorct.org/history.html

http://torugg.org/History/history_of_ukraine.html

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/History.asp

http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-19.html

http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-20.html

Not one of these sites supports your fabricated 15 million figure. Once
again, you pulled it out of your gaping HIV-oozing asshole.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

So ****face....provide cites that dispute these numbers. Double dog
dare you.


http://www.dpcamps.org/jewsvsukrainians.html

1. Stalin imposed a famine-genocide, which took 10 million lives in
1932-33. However, Bauer glossed over and wrote, "By the mid-thirties,
about 160,000 Jews were settled on land [southern Ukraine], 40,000 to
60,00 of them by the JDS." Bauer doesn't tell you that this was to
repopulate the lands were the Ukrainian villages were totally wiped
out by the artificially-created famine, ethnic cleansing of the
Ukrainian population. Occupying the farms of the starved Ukrainians,
the Jews were instrumental in hiding the fact that there was a
genocide. Stalin brought in families from all over Russia to
re-populate the missing, later arranging guided tours of international
news reporters to show them that there was NO starvation here!
Further, Stalin's infamous henchman Lazar Kaganovich, of Jewish
origin, was responsible for collectivization, and engineered the
terrible 1933 famine (Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000).

2. During World War II, Ukrainian population lost another 10 million
people. Hitler occupied Ukraine totally, and the well-manicured fields
and villages of Ukraine were repeatedly a battleground. Both Stalin
and Hitler wanted to erase Ukrainians, both burned out Ukraine upon
retreat, leaving uncounted numbers to die from starvation and exposure
in the winter. Subsequently, Stalin publicly listed those casualties
as Russian casualties, not Ukrainian. In later years, Khrushchev
included 16 million civilians. The majority of these victims were
non-Russian, mostly Ukrainians
(http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-01.html, 2004).

Ukraine lost more people in WW II than any other European country,
estimated at 11 million people by Stephan G. Prociuk (Annals of the
Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the US):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-202_162-...assetTypeId=30

"At the end of the war, Ukraine lay in ruins; the populations had
declined by 25 per cent -- that is by approximately 10.5 million
people; 6.8 million killed or died of hunger or disease, and the
remainder had been evacuated or deported to Soviet Asia as political
prisoners or had ended up as slave labor or émigrés in Hitler's
Germany..." wrote Ann Lencyk Pawliczko in Ukraine and Ukrainians
Throughout the World (University of Toronto Press, 1994, p.62).

Still others estimate Ukrainian losses at 13.9 million. "The Museum of
World War II in the capital Kiev has a simple sign on marble which
states: 'In 1940 in Ukraine lived 41.3 million people. In 1945 - 27.4
million people.' About 8 million Ukrainian citizens [not soldiers]
(other estimates say 10 million) were killed in World War II" wrote
Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000.

According to the University of Hawaii democide table, Slavs were
killed at twice the rate of the Jews. Also, it shows the heaviest
democide at over 12 million USSR population (Univ. of Hawaii).
Remember, that Ukrainians were listed as citizens of USSR and Poland;
and Hitler occupied Ukraine for 3 years before he entered Russia
proper (NAZIS.TAB1.1.GIF, 2004).

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On 8/27/2017 1:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

So ****face....provide cites that dispute these numbers. Double dog
dare you.


http://www.dpcamps.org/jewsvsukrainians.html

1. Stalin imposed a famine-genocide, which took 10 million lives in
1932-33.

Not one of your links supports your bull**** 15 million number, you liar.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:04:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

So ****face....provide cites that dispute these numbers. Double dog
dare you.


http://www.dpcamps.org/jewsvsukrainians.html

1. Stalin imposed a famine-genocide, which took 10 million lives in
1932-33. However, Bauer glossed over and wrote, "By the mid-thirties,
about 160,000 Jews were settled on land [southern Ukraine], 40,000 to
60,00 of them by the JDS." Bauer doesn't tell you that this was to
repopulate the lands were the Ukrainian villages were totally wiped
out by the artificially-created famine, ethnic cleansing of the
Ukrainian population. Occupying the farms of the starved Ukrainians,
the Jews were instrumental in hiding the fact that there was a
genocide. Stalin brought in families from all over Russia to
re-populate the missing, later arranging guided tours of international
news reporters to show them that there was NO starvation here!
Further, Stalin's infamous henchman Lazar Kaganovich, of Jewish
origin, was responsible for collectivization, and engineered the
terrible 1933 famine (Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000).

2. During World War II, Ukrainian population lost another 10 million
people. Hitler occupied Ukraine totally, and the well-manicured fields
and villages of Ukraine were repeatedly a battleground. Both Stalin
and Hitler wanted to erase Ukrainians, both burned out Ukraine upon
retreat, leaving uncounted numbers to die from starvation and exposure
in the winter. Subsequently, Stalin publicly listed those casualties
as Russian casualties, not Ukrainian. In later years, Khrushchev
included 16 million civilians. The majority of these victims were
non-Russian, mostly Ukrainians
(http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-01.html, 2004).

Ukraine lost more people in WW II than any other European country,
estimated at 11 million people by Stephan G. Prociuk (Annals of the
Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the US):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-202_162-...assetTypeId=30

"At the end of the war, Ukraine lay in ruins; the populations had
declined by 25 per cent -- that is by approximately 10.5 million
people; 6.8 million killed or died of hunger or disease, and the
remainder had been evacuated or deported to Soviet Asia as political
prisoners or had ended up as slave labor or émigrés in Hitler's
Germany..." wrote Ann Lencyk Pawliczko in Ukraine and Ukrainians
Throughout the World (University of Toronto Press, 1994, p.62).

Still others estimate Ukrainian losses at 13.9 million. "The Museum of
World War II in the capital Kiev has a simple sign on marble which
states: 'In 1940 in Ukraine lived 41.3 million people. In 1945 - 27.4
million people.' About 8 million Ukrainian citizens [not soldiers]
(other estimates say 10 million) were killed in World War II" wrote
Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000.

According to the University of Hawaii democide table, Slavs were
killed at twice the rate of the Jews. Also, it shows the heaviest
democide at over 12 million USSR population (Univ. of Hawaii).
Remember, that Ukrainians were listed as citizens of USSR and Poland;
and Hitler occupied Ukraine for 3 years before he entered Russia
proper (NAZIS.TAB1.1.GIF, 2004).

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Up to 30 million people are estimated by Western historians to have
died between 1918 and 1956 in Stalinist repression, civil war, famine
and collectivization, although the true figure may never be known."

Come on...you bloody ignorant hoser...refute the cites I provided.

On 8/27/2017 1:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:04:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

So ****face....provide cites that dispute these numbers. Double dog
dare you.


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1. Stalin imposed a famine-genocide, which took 10 million lives in
1932-33. However, Bauer glossed over and wrote, "By the mid-thirties,
about 160,000 Jews were settled on land [southern Ukraine], 40,000 to
60,00 of them by the JDS." Bauer doesn't tell you that this was to
repopulate the lands were the Ukrainian villages were totally wiped
out by the artificially-created famine, ethnic cleansing of the
Ukrainian population. Occupying the farms of the starved Ukrainians,
the Jews were instrumental in hiding the fact that there was a
genocide. Stalin brought in families from all over Russia to
re-populate the missing, later arranging guided tours of international
news reporters to show them that there was NO starvation here!
Further, Stalin's infamous henchman Lazar Kaganovich, of Jewish
origin, was responsible for collectivization, and engineered the
terrible 1933 famine (Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000).

2. During World War II, Ukrainian population lost another 10 million
people. Hitler occupied Ukraine totally, and the well-manicured fields
and villages of Ukraine were repeatedly a battleground. Both Stalin
and Hitler wanted to erase Ukrainians, both burned out Ukraine upon
retreat, leaving uncounted numbers to die from starvation and exposure
in the winter. Subsequently, Stalin publicly listed those casualties
as Russian casualties, not Ukrainian. In later years, Khrushchev
included 16 million civilians. The majority of these victims were
non-Russian, mostly Ukrainians
(http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-01.html, 2004).

Ukraine lost more people in WW II than any other European country,
estimated at 11 million people by Stephan G. Prociuk (Annals of the
Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the US):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-202_162-...assetTypeId=30

"At the end of the war, Ukraine lay in ruins; the populations had
declined by 25 per cent -- that is by approximately 10.5 million
people; 6.8 million killed or died of hunger or disease, and the
remainder had been evacuated or deported to Soviet Asia as political
prisoners or had ended up as slave labor or émigrés in Hitler's
Germany..." wrote Ann Lencyk Pawliczko in Ukraine and Ukrainians
Throughout the World (University of Toronto Press, 1994, p.62).

Still others estimate Ukrainian losses at 13.9 million. "The Museum of
World War II in the capital Kiev has a simple sign on marble which
states: 'In 1940 in Ukraine lived 41.3 million people. In 1945 - 27.4
million people.' About 8 million Ukrainian citizens [not soldiers]
(other estimates say 10 million) were killed in World War II" wrote
Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000.

According to the University of Hawaii democide table, Slavs were
killed at twice the rate of the Jews. Also, it shows the heaviest
democide at over 12 million USSR population (Univ. of Hawaii).
Remember, that Ukrainians were listed as citizens of USSR and Poland;
and Hitler occupied Ukraine for 3 years before he entered Russia
proper (NAZIS.TAB1.1.GIF, 2004).

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Up to 30 million people are estimated by Western historians to have
died between 1918 and 1956 in Stalinist repression, civil war, famine
and collectivization,

But *NOT* 15 million in Ukraine alone, Wieber.