Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
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On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war (Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16 whole years later.

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Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
news
On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like
an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion
electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien
count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like
California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would
he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war
(Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure
that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to
find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16
whole years later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...tion/93523012/

"If the election were based on total popular vote I would have
campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more
easily."
--Donald J. Trump

What went "wrong" is that the Dems tried to sabotage the Republican
primaries by supporting and switching to vote for the candidate they
mistook as the easiest to beat.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...o-primary.html
"In the counties containing Youngstown and Steubenville, more than a
quarter of the GOP voters in the March 15 primary had been Democrats,
the new statistics show. Trump easily carried both counties, as well
as several others with high Democratic crossover rates."

http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileak...-help-clinton/
"It was in the best interest of Clinton, and therefore the Democratic
Party, that Trump was the Republican presidential nominee. Polls
indicated Sen. Rubio, Gov. Kasich, or almost any other establishment
Republican would likely beat Clinton in a general election."

"The mainstream media was more than willing to do the Clinton campaign
and DNC's work for them by creating a narrative that the 2016
presidential elections was about Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump."

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:06:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
news
On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war (Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16 whole years later.

So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant votes for Hillary
turn up, will all the Democrats here slit their wrists?


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On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:44:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant votes for Hillary
turn up, will all the Democrats here slit their wrists?

You should demand something worse - that they move to trailers in
Taft, and slowly cull themselves with soda, nicotine, and hypocrisy.

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What email, imbecile?

On 11/26/2016 4:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:06:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
news
On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war (Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16 whole years later.

So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant votes for Hillary
turn up, will all the Democrats here slit their wrists?

And finally the vote from the 'boys and girls' overseas gets counted.
That will be even more votes for Trump as he will have their backs in
a problem - and know that Hillery would turn sides and let the other
side mow over the troops.

Martin

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 21:41:30 -0600, Martin Eastburn
wrote:



On 11/26/2016 4:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:06:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
news On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war (Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16 whole years later.

So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant votes for Hillary
turn up, will all the Democrats here slit their wrists?

And finally the vote from the 'boys and girls' overseas gets counted.
That will be even more votes for Trump as he will have their backs in
a problem - and know that Hillery would turn sides and let the other
side mow over the troops.

Martin

Well stated!


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What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

i

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

i

Depends on who is controlling those machines doesnt it....?

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Over 1 million hits

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...ud+convictions

60,000 hits. Its fascinating to see the little Politfact article that
says there is no Democrat voter fraud...right smack dab in all the
articles proving Democrat voter fraud..and news about all the
Democrats who were arrested for voter fraud..and convicted

But then..Polifact isnt doing so good these days...having shot their
wad supporting Democrat voter fraud..and being caught at it.


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On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

Ask your Mayor Daley. This sort of thing is not new to him, although
he didn't have electronics to corrupt in his day.


--
I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you
have earned, but it is not greed to want take someone else's money.
--Thomas Sowell

On 2016-11-27, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

Ask your Mayor Daley. This sort of thing is not new to him, although
he didn't have electronics to corrupt in his day.



I mean, electronic voting is not much. Votes are recorded in the
computer, anonymously, and then the sum totals are transmitted from
precincts to the election body. They are summed again at the state
level.

What sort of a recount is possible here? Just re-summing again?

I am not saying that voting computers were definitely not hacked, only
that there is nothing to recount or an all electronic vote.

At least in the case of paper ballots, they can be re-scanned again or
counted by hand.

Electronic records, not so much.

If, for example, voter fraud is discovered and certain ineligible
voters were found to have voted, there is not even any way to remove
their votes, as they are anonymous and there is nothing that ties a
voter to a vote.

i

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 8:16:03 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus22212 wrote:
On 2016-11-27, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

Ask your Mayor Daley. This sort of thing is not new to him, although
he didn't have electronics to corrupt in his day.



I mean, electronic voting is not much. Votes are recorded in the
computer, anonymously, and then the sum totals are transmitted from
precincts to the election body. They are summed again at the state
level.

What sort of a recount is possible here? Just re-summing again?

I am not saying that voting computers were definitely not hacked, only
that there is nothing to recount or an all electronic vote.

At least in the case of paper ballots, they can be re-scanned again or
counted by hand.

Electronic records, not so much.

If, for example, voter fraud is discovered and certain ineligible
voters were found to have voted, there is not even any way to remove
their votes, as they are anonymous and there is nothing that ties a
voter to a vote.

i

Two of the three states in question use optically-scanned paper ballots. The third one (PA) uses them in some counties.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:15:56 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

On 2016-11-27, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

Ask your Mayor Daley. This sort of thing is not new to him, although
he didn't have electronics to corrupt in his day.



I mean, electronic voting is not much. Votes are recorded in the
computer, anonymously, and then the sum totals are transmitted from
precincts to the election body. They are summed again at the state
level.

What sort of a recount is possible here? Just re-summing again?

Maybe go through the voting machine memories, looking for hacking?


I am not saying that voting computers were definitely not hacked, only
that there is nothing to recount or an all electronic vote.

At least in the case of paper ballots, they can be re-scanned again or
counted by hand.

Electronic records, not so much.

Yeah, I don't really understand that, either.


If, for example, voter fraud is discovered and certain ineligible
voters were found to have voted, there is not even any way to remove
their votes, as they are anonymous and there is nothing that ties a
voter to a vote.

True.

--
We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is
no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected.
--Henry David Thoreau

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 9:21:47 PM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:15:56 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

On 2016-11-27, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

Ask your Mayor Daley. This sort of thing is not new to him, although
he didn't have electronics to corrupt in his day.



I mean, electronic voting is not much. Votes are recorded in the
computer, anonymously, and then the sum totals are transmitted from
precincts to the election body. They are summed again at the state
level.

What sort of a recount is possible here? Just re-summing again?

Maybe go through the voting machine memories, looking for hacking?


I am not saying that voting computers were definitely not hacked, only
that there is nothing to recount or an all electronic vote.

At least in the case of paper ballots, they can be re-scanned again or
counted by hand.

Electronic records, not so much.

Yeah, I don't really understand that, either.


If, for example, voter fraud is discovered and certain ineligible
voters were found to have voted, there is not even any way to remove
their votes, as they are anonymous and there is nothing that ties a
voter to a vote.

True.

That's not what they're looking for. They're looking for quantities of votes that were not entered as individual votes made at the ballot box. They're looking for vote-stuffing, which often leaves a telltale.


--
We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is
no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected.
--Henry David Thoreau

If you're going to quote Thoreau or anyone else, Larry, at least quote the whole thought:

"We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected. This was my answer with respect to those youths who were bent on this pursuit, trusting that they would soon outgrow it. No humane being, past the thoughtless age of boyhood, will wantonly murder any creature which holds its life by the same tenure that he does. The hare in its extremity cries like a child.

"Such is oftenest the young man's introduction to the forest, and the most original part of himself. He goes thither at first as a hunter and fisher, until at last, if he has the seeds of a better life in him, he distinguishes his proper objects, as a poet or naturalist it may be, and leaves the gun and fish-pole behind." -- Walden, Chapter 11

Thoreau was saying that hunting and fishing are important pursuits for introducing children to the outdoors, but that, if he is a "humane being," he will put his gun and his fish-pole away when he becomes a man.

Your selected little snippets of quotations tend to vulgarize the thoughts of thoughtful men. If you quote them because you commend the person's thought, at least honor the complete thought. Or don't quote them, if you have to hack them up for your purposes.

--
Ed Huntress

On 11/26/2016 2:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:06:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve from Colorado" wrote in message
news
On 11/19/2016 11:59 AM, Buddy L wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:49 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On 11/18/2016 09:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

https://dogs.google.com/spreadsheets...k5k/edit#gid=0

Jesse Ventura was whining about the Electoral College on Alex
Jones yesterday.

And another whiner...

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
Trump - Nov 2012

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/


I am reminded of those old Youtube videos from back when George W
Bush was President where they had Governor Bush debate President
Bush, using old videos of Texas Governor Bush sounding intelligent
and sophisticated debating himself as President and sounding like an
open borders, Hispandering moron.

Personally, I would like to see the EC eliminated because it gives
too much power to heavily illegal alien infested states. I'd at
least like to see Attorney General Jeff Sessions apportion electoral
votes and House of Representatives seats based on citizens in each
state and not counting illegal aliens or immigrants. Votes from
each state could not be higher in number than the actual number of
citizens who are allowed to vote. If you take illegal alien count
out of the EC or House of Representatives in states like California,
the number of electoral votes would have to be reduced by at least
half along with the number of Reps in Congress from that state.

Do you think that if there had been no Electoral College that the
outcomes of the last couple of presidential elections would have
been different. Would John McCain have been President and would he
have pardoned Charlie Manson for trying to start a race war (Helter
Skelter) so that he could run on the GOP ticket to succeed him?
Just kidding

Without an Electoral College the candidates would have campaigned
differently, so we can't tell.

Maybe not back in 2000 with Bush and Gore, but today I'm fairly sure that one or two college whiz kids out there have perfected how to find out exactly what, if anything, went wrong. After all, it is 16 whole years later.

So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant [sic] votes for Hillary
turn up,

It won't...because there weren't.

On 11/27/2016 7:01 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 06:29:02 -0600, Ignoramus22212
wrote:

What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

i

Depends on who is controlling those machines doesnt it....?

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Over 1 million hits

All of them bull****.

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 7:29:08 AM UTC-5, Ignoramus22212 wrote:
What sort of thing would you expect, if you "recount" an
all-electronic vote?

i

Here in Delaware as I recall the voting machine generates a couple of mag tapes and some paper tape copies. So I would thing you could check the number of votes from the sign in sheets against both the paper tapes and the mag tapes. And against what was entered for the precinct at the central office.

Dan

Jerry Buchanan wrote:
On 11/26/2016 2:44 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

So when it turns out that millions of fraudulant [sic] votes for
Hillary turn up,

It won't...because there weren't.

Sore losers just can't let it go .
--
Snag