On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

Now, 32% is a mammoth figure. I guess for most of you on this ng, living on a dirt road way, way out on Pluto may seem an obsession, but I don't know what is making you think you'll get any business, let alone a steady income.

Though, even the chipmunks and other critters certainly seem more provided for than you.

On 01/05/2015 11:01 AM, wrote:
On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

....

don't know what is making you think you'll get any business, let alone a
steady income.
....

It's not the income level that's important, it's that farms and other
types of business and folks who do mechanical-type stuff that might need
welding are far more likely to be found in rural areas than in the
suburbs...while there are far more in numbers in the city, almost none
of them do any of their own work in that they would be the one looking
for a welding shop; it'd be the repair shop they took the mower to who
_might_ be a customer...who'll be somewhere in a commercial district
more 'n likely and not going to a shop in a residential garage.

--

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm


Yeah, but all that money (and much more) is spent at Starbucks, BMW,
personal trainers and health club memberships, Whole Foods, financial
planners etc., not on welding bits of stuff together. Try to find a
metalworking magazine in a wealthy suburban area- there is no demand.
People just buy stuff and throw it away (or go to a factory authorized
service center to get it fixed) when it breaks.


Now, 32% is a mammoth figure. I guess for most of you on this ng, living on a dirt road way, way out on Pluto may seem an obsession, but I don't know what is making you think you'll get any business, let alone a steady income.

Though, even the chipmunks and other critters certainly seem more provided for than you.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:14:46 -0600, the renowned dpb
wrote:

On 01/05/2015 11:01 AM, wrote:
On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

...

don't know what is making you think you'll get any business, let alone a
steady income.
...

It's not the income level that's important, it's that farms and other
types of business and folks who do mechanical-type stuff that might need
welding are far more likely to be found in rural areas than in the
suburbs...while there are far more in numbers in the city, almost none
of them do any of their own work in that they would be the one looking
for a welding shop; it'd be the repair shop they took the mower to who
_might_ be a customer...who'll be somewhere in a commercial district
more 'n likely and not going to a shop in a residential garage.

What he said.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:32:31 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

I don't understand some of those figures. Urbans spent 5% less that
rurals on food at home? And only 28% more on food out? Dining out
costs 400% of my home cooking, with the exceptions of Taco Bell tacos
and pintos'n'cheese, or JacqueInZeeBox tacos (2 for 99cents).

And why would rurals spend so much more on prescription drugs than
urbans? Is there a rural seniors v. urban healthy youngsters pocket
there? I'd like to see the age composition of these data.

Deeper into Beyond the Numbers: "Americans spent approximately
$61.4 billion in total on their pets in 2011. On average, each U.S.
household spent just over $500 on pets. This amounts to about 1
percent of total spending per year for the average household."
This while people are starving and homeless in the USA. Fark!


Yeah, but all that money (and much more) is spent at Starbucks, BMW,
personal trainers and health club memberships, Whole Foods, financial
planners etc., not on welding bits of stuff together. Try to find a
metalworking magazine in a wealthy suburban area- there is no demand.
People just buy stuff and throw it away (or go to a factory authorized
service center to get it fixed) when it breaks.

Quite true. We fix things until it's too costly to fix or can't be
done, while they buy new when something as simple as a fuse lets go.


Now, 32% is a mammoth figure. I guess for most of you on this ng, living on a dirt road way, way out on Pluto may seem an obsession, but I don't know what is making you think you'll get any business, let alone a steady income.

Though, even the chipmunks and other critters certainly seem more provided for than you.

g

--
In an industrial society which confuses work and productivity, the
necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create.
-- Raoul Vaneigem

On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:53:17 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:


Deeper into Beyond the Numbers: "Americans spent approximately
$61.4 billion in total on their pets in 2011. On average, each U.S.
household spent just over $500 on pets. This amounts to about 1
percent of total spending per year for the average household."
This while people are starving and homeless in the USA. Fark!


Well I do not think I spend anywhere close to $500/ year on pets, but do buy sunflower seeds by the 40 lb sack for the bird feeders. And my wife bought some cat food for the local feral cat while it is cold outside. The bird feeder is pretty popular when there is snow on the ground.

Dan

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:32:31 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

I don't understand some of those figures. Urbans spent 5% less that
rurals on food at home? And only 28% more on food out? Dining out
costs 400% of my home cooking, with the exceptions of Taco Bell tacos
and pintos'n'cheese, or JacqueInZeeBox tacos (2 for 99cents).


They have more places to choose from, and they do higher volume than a
small store out in the sticks. That reduces the price.


And why would rurals spend so much more on prescription drugs than
urbans? Is there a rural seniors v. urban healthy youngsters pocket
there? I'd like to see the age composition of these data.


They have more places to choose from, and they do higher volume than a
small store out in the sticks. That reduces the price.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:48:55 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:53:17 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:


Deeper into Beyond the Numbers: "Americans spent approximately
$61.4 billion in total on their pets in 2011. On average, each U.S.
household spent just over $500 on pets. This amounts to about 1
percent of total spending per year for the average household."
This while people are starving and homeless in the USA. Fark!


Well I do not think I spend anywhere close to $500/ year on pets, but do buy sunflower seeds by the 40 lb sack for the bird feeders. And my wife bought some cat food for the local feral cat while it is cold outside. The bird feeder is pretty popular when there is snow on the ground.

Dan

We spend somewhere in the order of $1200 a year on "pets". But we do
animal rescue

Thats just for food alone. Some years may be a little less..this year
will be more


Shrug


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

"Michael A. Terrell" on Sun, 11 Jan 2015
18:47:36 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:32:31 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

I don't understand some of those figures. Urbans spent 5% less that
rurals on food at home? And only 28% more on food out? Dining out
costs 400% of my home cooking, with the exceptions of Taco Bell tacos
and pintos'n'cheese, or JacqueInZeeBox tacos (2 for 99cents).


They have more places to choose from, and they do higher volume than a
small store out in the sticks. That reduces the price.

Not to mention "transportation costs". The fuel to get the
product to the stores, the fuel to get to the store.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:22:37 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" on Sun, 11 Jan 2015
18:47:36 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:32:31 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received $15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural households"
-- http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

I don't understand some of those figures. Urbans spent 5% less that
rurals on food at home? And only 28% more on food out? Dining out
costs 400% of my home cooking, with the exceptions of Taco Bell tacos
and pintos'n'cheese, or JacqueInZeeBox tacos (2 for 99cents).

They have more places to choose from, and they do higher
volume than a small store out in the sticks. That reduces
the price.

Not to mention "transportation costs". The fuel to
get the product to the stores, the fuel to get to
the store.

Fyodr, you could be here all day naming reason why economics of the largest 100 metropolitan areas are different that what's beyond the city limits.

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...
"Michael A. Terrell" on Sun, 11 Jan
2015
18:47:36 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:32:31 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:40 -0800 (PST), the renowned
wrote:

On 12/26/14, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Such places seem to survive in the countryside, but it sounds
like a really tough sell
in a decent suburban environment.

I think it's the opposite: ... "Urban households received
$15,779 (32 percent) more in yearly income than rural
households"
--
http://www.bls.gov/opub/...urban-and...ds-in-2011.htm

I don't understand some of those figures. Urbans spent 5% less
that
rurals on food at home? And only 28% more on food out? Dining
out
costs 400% of my home cooking, with the exceptions of Taco Bell
tacos
and pintos'n'cheese, or JacqueInZeeBox tacos (2 for 99cents).


They have more places to choose from, and they do higher volume
than a
small store out in the sticks. That reduces the price.

Not to mention "transportation costs". The fuel to get the
product to the stores, the fuel to get to the store.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

The group you should be comparing to urbans is suburban homeowners,
not rurals.
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/poli...ig/schnsub.htm
The trends mentioned have only increased since that was written.

"PRESIDENTIAL politics these days is a race between Democratic cities
and Republican suburbs to see who can produce bigger margins. The
suburbs are winning."

"The suburbs accounted for 26 percent of the Illinois vote in 1960--a
quarter less than Chicago. They cast 38 percent of the Illinois vote
in 1988--two thirds more than Chicago."

"There is a reason why people want to be confined to their houses and
their cars. They want a secure and controlled environment. Suburban
commuters show a determined preference for private over public
transportation. Automobiles may not be efficient, but they give people
a sense of security and control. With a car you can go anywhere you
want, anytime you want, in the comfort of your own private space."

"A major reason people move out to the suburbs is simply to be able to
buy their own government. These people resent it when politicians take
their money and use it to solve other people's problems, especially
when they don't believe that government can actually solve those
problems."

-jsw