Bought this in auction today and wondering, how much does it
weigh. Any idea?

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...99654&rfp b=0

This is a huge machine, bigger than a semi truck.

Also, if someone has any idea what usable things I can salvage from
it, I will also appreciate that. Thanks a lot.

i

Ignoramus32163 fired this volley in
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Bought this in auction today and wondering, how much does it
weigh. Any idea?


I have a friend who's in the printing business. I'll ask.

Lloyd

On 2014-06-13, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus32163 fired this volley in
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Bought this in auction today and wondering, how much does it
weigh. Any idea?


I have a friend who's in the printing business. I'll ask.

Lloyd

Lloyd, it would be awesome, thanks a lot!

i

Ignoramus32163 fired this volley in
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thanks a lot!

I've asked. He normally takes a day or two to answer.

Lloyd

"Ignoramus32163" wrote in message
...
Bought this in auction today and wondering, how much does it
weigh. Any idea?

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...99654&rfp b=0

This is a huge machine, bigger than a semi truck.

Also, if someone has any idea what usable things I can salvage from
it, I will also appreciate that. Thanks a lot.

i

Lots of cams,gears and rubber rollers. The parts might be metric if
that press was made in germany. Looks like that press was made
in stations, think 7 printing presses tied end to end. The side frames
will be thick castings 1" or better and the cylinders will be heavy.
I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus32163" wrote in message
...
Bought this in auction today and wondering, how much does it
weigh. Any idea?

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...99654&rfp b=0

This is a huge machine, bigger than a semi truck.

Also, if someone has any idea what usable things I can salvage from
it, I will also appreciate that. Thanks a lot.

i

Lots of cams,gears and rubber rollers. The parts might be metric if
that press was made in germany. Looks like that press was made
in stations, think 7 printing presses tied end to end. The side frames
will be thick castings 1" or better and the cylinders will be heavy.
I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Karl

On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

"azotic" fired this volley in news:lnfkfu$4f8$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?


FWIW, according to on-line specs, it's easily separated into individual
stations.

Lloyd

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?

I am guessing 2.5 weeks.

i

On 2014-06-13, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
"azotic" fired this volley in news:lnfkfu$4f8$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?


FWIW, according to on-line specs, it's easily separated into individual
stations.

And the sections weigh over 30,000 lbs each.

i

Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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And the sections weigh over 30,000 lbs each.

So? That's manageable! You've got the truck and a lift that will handle
them onesies, right?

LLoyd

On 2014-06-13, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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And the sections weigh over 30,000 lbs each.

So? That's manageable! You've got the truck and a lift that will handle
them onesies, right?

Truck yes.

Lifts, I have two 15,000 lb forklifts.

I will have to see if I can somehow split the sections.

i

Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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I will have to see if I can somehow split the sections.

heh! I guess that limits "salvaging". BIG saw, right down the middle!

G
Lloyd

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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And the sections weigh over 30,000 lbs each.

So? That's manageable! You've got the truck and a lift that will handle
them onesies, right?

Truck yes.

Lifts, I have two 15,000 lb forklifts.

I will have to see if I can somehow split the sections.

i

That could get messy and labor intensive. Removing the
sections intact would be the way to go. Maybe get some machine
scates and drag the sections outside then place them on your
truck with your two fork lifts. Do you have extra counter weights
to place on the back of the fork lifts?

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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And the sections weigh over 30,000 lbs each.

So? That's manageable! You've got the truck and a lift that will handle
them onesies, right?

Truck yes.

Lifts, I have two 15,000 lb forklifts.

I will have to see if I can somehow split the sections.

i

That could get messy and labor intensive. Removing the
sections intact would be the way to go. Maybe get some machine
scates and drag the sections outside then place them on your
truck with your two fork lifts. Do you have extra counter weights
to place on the back of the fork lifts?

The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
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Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

hollow (but thick-walled to prevent distortions... probably 1" or more)
L

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the
sides of the press).

The press supposedly comes apart.

i

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the
sides of the press).

The press supposedly comes apart.

i

How heigh are are the concrete pads?

Any problem damaging the floor of the building
during removal?

Best Regards
Tom.

on 14/06/2014, Ignoramus7881 supposed :
On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?

I am guessing 2.5 weeks.

Could I sell you the Sydney Harbour Bridge?
There is about 52,000 tonnes of steel in it.

It is a popular joke selling the bridge to gullible tourists :|

On 2014-06-13, Howard Beal NSA wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the
sides of the press).

The press supposedly comes apart.

i

How heigh are are the concrete pads?

1ft

Any problem damaging the floor of the building
during removal?

Well, it will be damaged of course, but not too much.

i


Best Regards
Tom.

On 2014-06-13, John Griffiths wrote:
on 14/06/2014, Ignoramus7881 supposed :
On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?

I am guessing 2.5 weeks.

Could I sell you the Sydney Harbour Bridge?
There is about 52,000 tonnes of steel in it.

It is a popular joke selling the bridge to gullible tourists :|

I never heard of that joke.

i

Ignoramus7881 wrote:

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Karl Townsend wrote:

I would gestamate 10K per section. So somewhere in the neighborhood
70 to 100k pounds. The ones i worked on were mostly made off cast
iron.

Thanks. I am trying to get some info on this. I will let you guys know
how it worked out in the end.

i

Just curious, do you go to the work to sell prepared cast and steel?
or just haul it in any way possible?

Usually I do not try that. The labor is not worth the $10-20
difference in price per ton.

I just went to the printing place where this machine is. I saw it
again.

It is huge.

I estimate that it weighs 32,000-36,000 per section.

This is not just my guess, I also got some educated opinions.

i

Any ideas on how much time it will take to dismantle that beast?

I am guessing 2.5 weeks.

i

Above all else, be careful. Working with something that even in pieces
can max out both your forklifts at once means you have to really be on
the ball with safety procedures.

On 2014-06-14, Pete C. wrote:

Above all else, be careful. Working with something that even in pieces
can max out both your forklifts at once means you have to really be on
the ball with safety procedures.

Pete, what I am hoping for, personally, is that not only I can
disconnect individual sections, but I can also take pieces from each
section so that I remove them in 2-3 pieces.

i

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, Howard Beal NSA wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the
sides of the press).

The press supposedly comes apart.

i

How heigh are are the concrete pads?

1ft

Any problem damaging the floor of the building
during removal?

Well, it will be damaged of course, but not too much.

i


Best Regards
Tom.

Looks like your in for a labor intensive task based on
your description. Maybe rent a fork lift capable of
lifting the 35k sections.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-14, Pete C. wrote:

Above all else, be careful. Working with something that even in pieces
can max out both your forklifts at once means you have to really be on
the ball with safety procedures.

Pete, what I am hoping for, personally, is that not only I can
disconnect individual sections, but I can also take pieces from each
section so that I remove them in 2-3 pieces.

i

Won't be that easy. You have the two side plates and the 3 cylinders,
thats will be where most of weight will be. Taking off all the little stuff
before you can seperate the heavy stuff is whats gonna eat up a lot
of time. Bring your big ass impact wrench and your metric sockets
and wrenches.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On 2014-06-14, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-14, Pete C. wrote:

Above all else, be careful. Working with something that even in pieces
can max out both your forklifts at once means you have to really be on
the ball with safety procedures.

Pete, what I am hoping for, personally, is that not only I can
disconnect individual sections, but I can also take pieces from each
section so that I remove them in 2-3 pieces.

i

Won't be that easy. You have the two side plates and the 3 cylinders,
thats will be where most of weight will be. Taking off all the little stuff
before you can seperate the heavy stuff is whats gonna eat up a lot
of time. Bring your big ass impact wrench and your metric sockets
and wrenches.

Whta I think is that the top can be disconnecte from the bottom (the
mintenance guy said something like that), and additionally, maybe I
can remove some other pieces from the bottom part, like cylinders. Not
yet sure. Rollers are supposed to be esily removable and they are heavy.

i

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:31:03 -0500, Ignoramus7881
wrote:

That press had an operator that knows every nut bolt and screw on it.
Any possibility of talking to him?

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-14, azotic wrote:
Whta I think is that the top can be disconnecte from the bottom (the
mintenance guy said something like that), and additionally, maybe I
can remove some other pieces from the bottom part, like cylinders. Not
yet sure. Rollers are supposed to be esily removable and they are heavy.

i

Might be worth hiring that guy for a day or two to show you how to
dismantle the press the fastest way. Don't forget the videos as you
go along.


Best Regards
Tom.

On 2014-06-14, Howard Beal NSA wrote:

"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
...
On 2014-06-14, azotic wrote:
Whta I think is that the top can be disconnecte from the bottom (the
mintenance guy said something like that), and additionally, maybe I
can remove some other pieces from the bottom part, like cylinders. Not
yet sure. Rollers are supposed to be esily removable and they are heavy.

i

Might be worth hiring that guy for a day or two to show you how to
dismantle the press the fastest way. Don't forget the videos as you
go along.

He will show us.

i

On 2014-06-14, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:31:03 -0500, Ignoramus7881
wrote:

That press had an operator that knows every nut bolt and screw on it.
Any possibility of talking to him?

Yes, there is that guy still there, he said he will show us how to
dismantle. I really do not want to rent a big forklift.

i

On 06/13/2014 11:00 PM, Ignoramus7881 wrote:


Might be worth hiring that guy for a day or two to show you how to
dismantle the press the fastest way. Don't forget the videos as you
go along.

He will show us.

i


But without videos, how will you show US?



technomaNge
--
Curious minds, and all that.

On 2014-06-15, technomaNge wrote:
On 06/13/2014 11:00 PM, Ignoramus7881 wrote:


Might be worth hiring that guy for a day or two to show you how to
dismantle the press the fastest way. Don't forget the videos as you
go along.

He will show us.

i


But without videos, how will you show US?



technomaNge

I will try t oat least take pictures, vidoes would not be worthwhile.

Not like a crashing conveyor video.


i

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:23:31 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Ignoramus7881 fired this volley in
m:

I will have to see if I can somehow split the sections.

heh! I guess that limits "salvaging". BIG saw, right down the middle!

G

Ig can call ol' Hackman at Lenox. Let's see if he can cut one of
_those_ in half with just one blade.

--
There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is
a good American.* The only man who is a good American is
the man who is an American and nothing else.* We are a
nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities.* We
are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:31:03 -0500, Ignoramus7881
wrote:

On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message
The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate
safely.

I have very nice counterweights.

Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?

i

They cylinders were hollow.

Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac
low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for
lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and
loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?

I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the
sides of the press).

The press supposedly comes apart.

Of course it does. It needs regular maintenance, so it probably has
some built-in lift eyes for the drums and other heavy goodies inside.
I've only worked on an old Lithograph 1250, but the couple dozen
computerized monsters I saw at the Gutenberg Convention in Long Beach
(many moons ago) were ten times its size, and portable enough to move,
get running perfectly, and remove in under a week.

Pop the sheetmetal and you'll get a much better idea of how to do
this.

--
There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is
a good American.* The only man who is a good American is
the man who is an American and nothing else.* We are a
nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities.* We
are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:34:40 AM UTC-4, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:31:03 -0500, Ignoramus7881

wrote:



On 2014-06-13, azotic wrote:







"Ignoramus7881" wrote in message

The sections are mounted on raised concrete pads, they will not skate

safely.



I have very nice counterweights.



Are the big roller drums on the lower part, solid or hollow?



i



They cylinders were hollow.



Maybe you could lower onto some scates with some enerpac

low profile cylinders, or fabricate a cradle using hydraulics for

lifting and solid rods for the wheels. How far is the exit and

loading dock? Can you get at the press with you fork lifts?



I can drive a forklift between the concrete pads (which support the

sides of the press).



The press supposedly comes apart.



Of course it does. It needs regular maintenance, so it probably has

some built-in lift eyes for the drums and other heavy goodies inside.

I've only worked on an old Lithograph 1250, but the couple dozen

computerized monsters I saw at the Gutenberg Convention in Long Beach

(many moons ago) were ten times its size, and portable enough to move,

get running perfectly, and remove in under a week.



Pop the sheetmetal and you'll get a much better idea of how to do

this.



--

There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is

a good American.� The only man who is a good American is

the man who is an American and nothing else.� We are a

nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities.� We

are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.

--Theodore Roosevelt

That has amazed me every time I have gone to a printing show. They get those 5, 6 or 7 color presses in, running and calibrated only to run for three or four days, then knock 'em down and drag 'em out. And, the show floor is spotless. Pretty damned impressive.