I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this would work for mild steel or stainless steel.

Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?

stryped wrote:

I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I
just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it
to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability
and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this
would work for mild steel or stainless steel.

Scratch start contaminates the electrode. But, it mostly will work,
but may require a lot of fussing to keep the electrodes clean enough to
weld. Mild steel should be no problem, it is very forgiving. Stainless
may be a lot tougher to get good welds.
Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?
Generally, you need some kind of AC for Aluminum. Without AC, the
surface of the aluminum gets an oxide layer. The best is square-wave
AC with continuous HF. I have heard of people welding Al with DC,
but I find it tough enough even with the best equipment (Lincoln
Square-Wave TIG 300).

Jon

you can buy a high frequency attachment. I sold a bunch of them in the
past. They will work.

i

On 2014-01-07, Jon Elson wrote:
stryped wrote:

I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I
just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it
to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability
and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this
would work for mild steel or stainless steel.

Scratch start contaminates the electrode. But, it mostly will work,
but may require a lot of fussing to keep the electrodes clean enough to
weld. Mild steel should be no problem, it is very forgiving. Stainless
may be a lot tougher to get good welds.
Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?
Generally, you need some kind of AC for Aluminum. Without AC, the
surface of the aluminum gets an oxide layer. The best is square-wave
AC with continuous HF. I have heard of people welding Al with DC,
but I find it tough enough even with the best equipment (Lincoln
Square-Wave TIG 300).

Jon

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:22:42 PM UTC-6, Ignoramus31914 wrote:
you can buy a high frequency attachment. I sold a bunch of them in the

past. They will work.



i



On 2014-01-07, Jon Elson wrote:

stryped wrote:



I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I

just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it

to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability

and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this

would work for mild steel or stainless steel.



Scratch start contaminates the electrode. But, it mostly will work,

but may require a lot of fussing to keep the electrodes clean enough to

weld. Mild steel should be no problem, it is very forgiving. Stainless

may be a lot tougher to get good welds.

Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?

Generally, you need some kind of AC for Aluminum. Without AC, the

surface of the aluminum gets an oxide layer. The best is square-wave

AC with continuous HF. I have heard of people welding Al with DC,

but I find it tough enough even with the best equipment (Lincoln

Square-Wave TIG 300).



Jon

How much are they?

"Ignoramus31914" wrote in message
...
you can buy a high frequency attachment. I sold a bunch of them in the
past. They will work.

i

On 2014-01-07, Jon Elson wrote:
stryped wrote:

I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I
just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect
it
to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment
capability
and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming
this
would work for mild steel or stainless steel.

Scratch start contaminates the electrode. But, it mostly will work,
but may require a lot of fussing to keep the electrodes clean enough to
weld. Mild steel should be no problem, it is very forgiving. Stainless
may be a lot tougher to get good welds.
Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?
Generally, you need some kind of AC for Aluminum. Without AC, the
surface of the aluminum gets an oxide layer. The best is square-wave
AC with continuous HF. I have heard of people welding Al with DC,
but I find it tough enough even with the best equipment (Lincoln
Square-Wave TIG 300).

Jon

I do basic aluminum welding with my Miller 212 all the time. In fact its
set up with dual guns and dual tanks so all I have to do is swap guns and
adjust the settings for most things. I just welded up a mounting bracket a
few minutes ago out of 1/8" 5052 sheet. Its not super pretty, but it won't
break.

http://cncmolds.com/images/5052.jpg

I'm pretty sure its just a basic DC MIG. Mine is the manual version. Not
the auto-set.








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On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:09:37 PM UTC-5, Jon Elson wrote:
stryped wrote:



I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I

just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it

to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability

and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this

would work for mild steel or stainless steel.



Scratch start contaminates the electrode. But, it mostly will work,

but may require a lot of fussing to keep the electrodes clean enough to

weld. Mild steel should be no problem, it is very forgiving. Stainless

may be a lot tougher to get good welds.

Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?

Generally, you need some kind of AC for Aluminum. Without AC, the

surface of the aluminum gets an oxide layer. The best is square-wave

AC with continuous HF. I have heard of people welding Al with DC,

but I find it tough enough even with the best equipment (Lincoln

Square-Wave TIG 300).



Jon

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:23:39 AM UTC-5, stryped wrote:
I have wanted to experiment with Tig. I have a miller Bobcat 225+. Can I just purchase an air cooled TIG torch and a bottle of argon and connect it to my welding leads? I know I would not have voltage adjustment capability and I would have to use scratch start because of no HF. I am assuming this would work for mild steel or stainless steel.



Would there be a way to use this set up for aluminum?