I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is 220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by hand to get it going then it would work).

Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?

I appreciate it!

stryped wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the
machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?

I appreciate it!

They use the three phases for more than just the spindle. Unless that
balancer is VERY cheap (like under $500.00) you will have more into it
than buying one set up for single phase. Or buy a large rotary converter
and be able to run more 3 phase stuff.

--
Steve W.

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:06:12 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

stryped wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the
machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?

I appreciate it!

They use the three phases for more than just the spindle. Unless that
balancer is VERY cheap (like under $500.00) you will have more into it
than buying one set up for single phase. Or buy a large rotary converter
and be able to run more 3 phase stuff.

As I recall from fixing one for a friend who owns a tire shop..his 3ph
machine has a 3ph motor in it to drive the wheel during balance.

About a 3hp motor as I recall


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children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
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about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)

strupid wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

You always try to jury-rig stuff. This is a several-thousands-of-dollars
machine. You can't spend $300 on a proper inverter to drive it?

If not, cobble up a static converter from $50 worth of parts, or build a
rotary converter from about $200 worth.

GEESH! Don't you EVER research anything before you ask for advice? All
you ever want to know is how to do a "crap job for pennies", when you
could do a GOOD job for a few bucks.

If all you ever _try_ to do is **** work, then all you'll ever make is
**** work; and from it will just be more **** in your garage.

Lloyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
strupid wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

You always try to jury-rig stuff. This is a several-thousands-of-dollars
machine. You can't spend $300 on a proper inverter to drive it?

If not, cobble up a static converter from $50 worth of parts, or build a
rotary converter from about $200 worth.

GEESH! Don't you EVER research anything before you ask for advice? All
you ever want to know is how to do a "crap job for pennies", when you
could do a GOOD job for a few bucks.

If all you ever _try_ to do is **** work, then all you'll ever make is
**** work; and from it will just be more **** in your garage.

Funny, all these years, and I didn't realize you were such an asshole.
--
EA



Lloyd

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
strupid wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

You always try to jury-rig stuff. This is a several-thousands-of-dollars
machine. You can't spend $300 on a proper inverter to drive it?

If not, cobble up a static converter from $50 worth of parts, or build a
rotary converter from about $200 worth.

GEESH! Don't you EVER research anything before you ask for advice? All
you ever want to know is how to do a "crap job for pennies", when you
could do a GOOD job for a few bucks.

If all you ever _try_ to do is **** work, then all you'll ever make is
**** work; and from it will just be more **** in your garage.

Funny, all these years, and I didn't realize you were such an asshole.


"stryped" is a troll, no bigee trolls aren't real.

Existential Angst wrote:

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message

If all you ever _try_ to do is **** work, then all you'll ever make is
**** work; and from it will just be more **** in your garage.

Funny, all these years, and I didn't realize you were such an asshole.

Lloyd is in the middle of a super-rush Centroid conversion on
a Bridgeport BOSS-9 that died on him. And, he has a contract to
deliver on in TWO WEEKS, even given the dead CNC machine. So,
he is in a BIG bind.

Jon

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:03:42 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

strupid wrote:

GEESH! Don't you EVER research anything before you ask for advice? All

Troll alert. He has been posting this crap for years, never on topic.
Plonk him and forget him, as the rest of us did years ago.

--
We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is
no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected.
--Henry David Thoreau

I'm guessin' this bitch-fest has nothing to do with spending money on
packaging for your amazing products, though.. or keeping a supply of free
ones.

Then whine when free ones aren't available, to people that're supposed to
give a ****/sympathize with you.
If you did as you said you would, your govt reps probably put you on a watch
list.. probably right where you belong.

To my knowledge, Stryped never treated anyone with the hostility that you do
on a regular basis.

FOAD

--
WB
..........


"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...

I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220,
but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by
hand to get it going then it would work).

If you all ever try to **** do this work, then all I ever make is
****; and from **** will just be more **** in your derangement.

Lloyd

"Wild_Bill" fired this volley in
:

I'm guessin' this bitch-fest has nothing to do with spending money on
packaging for your amazing products, though.. or keeping a supply of
free ones.

Then whine when free ones aren't available, to people that're supposed
to give a ****/sympathize with you.
If you did as you said you would, your govt reps probably put you on a
watch list.. probably right where you belong.

When did I ever whine about not getting a free anything? The only thing
I complained about was the PO not living up to their promises, and giving
bad service. I didn't "keep free ones", I used them, and paid postage on
every one. I don't expect free anything, but when it's offered as part
of a for-fee service, I expect it to be delivered.


I'm hostile toward Stryped because he _deliberately_refuses_ to do a good
job. I think his projects would be admirable (usually) otherwise. But
I'll have no truck with folks who set out - intentionally - to do the
worst quality work they can get away with without burning down the house.

You might say, "He has the right to do any quality of work he wants."
Yes, he does.

What he does NOT have the right to do is ask us (me) over and over how to
do things poorly. When we tell him how to do them right, all he ever
does is whine about not wanting to work that hard, or not wanting to
spend money.

Fine... then don't ask. Go look it up. This group represents our
"workshop". If someone physically walked into your workshop and demanded
to know your advice on how to deliberately do a crappy job, you'd likely
throw him out the door. (well, maybe you wouldn't, but any craftsman
would).

So... if he saunters into this 'workshop' and asks the same stuff, I
can't throw him out... but I can berate him for his attitude.

If you're on his side, all I can assume is that you share his opinions
about doing **** work. I noted before that you don't believe the PO
should uphold their promises of services, so that probably extends to
your other philosophies.


Lloyd


LLoyd

"stryped" wrote in message
...
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is 220 3
phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters available but
they are expensive.

I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220, but
the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by hand to get
it going then it would work).

Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the
machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?

I appreciate it!

In principle, it's correck, altho poss. not practical.

The Self Righteous Spermenberg is partially correct, with a "static
converter" which is just start caps placed between L1-L3 or L2-L3 (L1-L2
being 220 single phase).
Flip them out when the unit starts. Flipping in some "run" capacitors might
help power, effic, but the motor will, as you say, now run off 220 single
phase, BUT at reduced power -- 1/sqrt 3, or some ****.

If you do cobble together an rpc (ie, sep "idler motor"), your unit will
develop it's full power, but at sig'ly higher electric cost, cuz you now
have TWO motors running, and the rpc will generally run much longer than the
machine itself. Altho, you will now have 3 ph power for other stuff.

If the unit can function serviceably with reduced power, I'd go with
switchable start caps. Proly around 100 uF.
If not, you'll have to do a rpc, which is just ANOTHER 3 ph motor, with
switchable start/run caps.

Oh, the electronics:
If you are trying just 220 single phase, you'll have to experiment with the
inputs. Iow, you'll have 3 terminals on the machine, but only two hot legs
coming in. Mix'n'match until you get the controls to work. If they don't
work, then you'll need the full rpc solution.
I think most likely they WILL work. A good indication that they will work
with 220 single phase is if there is provision for a neutral. So don't
forget that, as well.
--
EA

On Monday, July 8, 2013 10:42:48 PM UTC-4, Existential Angst wrote:
"stryped" wrote in message

...

I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is 220 3

phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters available but

they are expensive.



I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220, but

the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by hand to get

it going then it would work).



Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the

machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?



I appreciate it!



In principle, it's correck, altho poss. not practical.



The Self Righteous Spermenberg is partially correct, with a "static

converter" which is just start caps placed between L1-L3 or L2-L3 (L1-L2

being 220 single phase).

Flip them out when the unit starts. Flipping in some "run" capacitors might

help power, effic, but the motor will, as you say, now run off 220 single

phase,

And is the current on this 220 volt single phase the same as current would be if running on 110 volt single phase ??

On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:23:13 PM UTC-5, stryped wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is 220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters available but they are expensive.



I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by hand to get it going then it would work).



Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?



I appreciate it!

This balancer is 300 dollars. But it also does not have the cones or anything with it which I would have to get. I really wanted it for my home shop. I have three vehicles currently and have adaughter that will be driving shortly. I live out in the middle of nowhere so it is hard to get things such as this done.

I have thought about an old fashion bubble balancer but have read some people say they wont work with modern radial tires but I have others who swear by them.

stryped wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:23:13 PM UTC-5, stryped wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is
220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters
available but they are expensive.



I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase
220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire
once by hand to get it going then it would work).



Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the
machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?



I appreciate it!

This balancer is 300 dollars. But it also does not have the cones or
anything with it which I would have to get. I really wanted it for my
home shop. I have three vehicles currently and have adaughter that
will be driving shortly. I live out in the middle of nowhere so it is
hard to get things such as this done.

I have thought about an old fashion bubble balancer but have read
some people say they wont work with modern radial tires but I have
others who swear by them.

All the accessories will bump that 300 up REAL fast. Add in the
conversion system and you will be over 1000.00 before you can balance
one tire.

Bubble units work BUT they take some skill. They also require some work.
I have both and have balanced tires on the bubble and then tossed them
on the machine as a demo and not had a problem.

With a bubble unit you need to make sure it is set up correct. One of
the biggest problems is having an out of center bubble. VERY common with
the cheaper units. Not hard to fix though.

--
Steve W.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:59:54 PM UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
stryped wrote:

On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:23:13 PM UTC-5, stryped wrote:

I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is

220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters

available but they are expensive.

I was looking at the HF units. How is it fixed. I dont mind spending alot of time with it as long as it is accurate. I know on the HF one you have to center the bubble by adjusting the screws each time before you put the tire down. (I read that on a forum. The directions did not say that). But someone told me they will only static balance and that dynamic is prefered. But like I said, I have read both good and bad on them.





I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase

220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire

once by hand to get it going then it would work).







Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the

machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?







I appreciate it!



This balancer is 300 dollars. But it also does not have the cones or

anything with it which I would have to get. I really wanted it for my

home shop. I have three vehicles currently and have adaughter that

will be driving shortly. I live out in the middle of nowhere so it is

hard to get things such as this done.



I have thought about an old fashion bubble balancer but have read

some people say they wont work with modern radial tires but I have

others who swear by them.



All the accessories will bump that 300 up REAL fast. Add in the

conversion system and you will be over 1000.00 before you can balance

one tire.



Bubble units work BUT they take some skill. They also require some work.

I have both and have balanced tires on the bubble and then tossed them

on the machine as a demo and not had a problem.



With a bubble unit you need to make sure it is set up correct. One of

the biggest problems is having an out of center bubble. VERY common with

the cheaper units. Not hard to fix though.



--

Steve W.

stryped wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:59:54 PM UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
stryped wrote:


The HF unit is a pretty good starting point. The point the balancer
rides on can be junk, but it is easy to replace with something good.

The off center bubble is due to assembly. You want the center of the
bubble EXACTLY over the pivot, Plus it has to be exactly centered on the
wheel cone.

Getting those correct can sometime be a challenge for places with ???
quality control. They are not hard to correct though.


As for why dynamic is preferred--- TIME. If done correctly the end
result is a balanced tire/rim assembly.


--
Steve W.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:53:47 PM UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
stryped wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:59:54 PM UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:

stryped wrote:





The HF unit is a pretty good starting point. The point the balancer
How do you ensure the bubble is where it needs to be? Eyeball it?

I did not think the point if it is what I was thinking, is a replaceable part on that HF unit?????
rides on can be junk, but it is easy to replace with something good.



The off center bubble is due to assembly. You want the center of the

bubble EXACTLY over the pivot, Plus it has to be exactly centered on the

wheel cone.



Getting those correct can sometime be a challenge for places with ???

quality control. They are not hard to correct though.





As for why dynamic is preferred--- TIME. If done correctly the end

result is a balanced tire/rim assembly.





--

Steve W.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:59:54 PM UTC-5, Steve W. wrote:
stryped wrote:

On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:23:13 PM UTC-5, stryped wrote:

I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is

220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters

available but they are expensive.

What do you mean by out of center bubble? Are you refering to the adjustment I was talkign about?





I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase

220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire

once by hand to get it going then it would work).







Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the

machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?







I appreciate it!



This balancer is 300 dollars. But it also does not have the cones or

anything with it which I would have to get. I really wanted it for my

home shop. I have three vehicles currently and have adaughter that

will be driving shortly. I live out in the middle of nowhere so it is

hard to get things such as this done.



I have thought about an old fashion bubble balancer but have read

some people say they wont work with modern radial tires but I have

others who swear by them.



All the accessories will bump that 300 up REAL fast. Add in the

conversion system and you will be over 1000.00 before you can balance

one tire.



Bubble units work BUT they take some skill. They also require some work.

I have both and have balanced tires on the bubble and then tossed them

on the machine as a demo and not had a problem.



With a bubble unit you need to make sure it is set up correct. One of

the biggest problems is having an out of center bubble. VERY common with

the cheaper units. Not hard to fix though.



--

Steve W.

On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:23:13 PM UTC-5, stryped wrote:
I have a hunter DSP 9000 tire balancer for sale near me. But it is 220 3 phase which i dont have. I know there are phase converters available but they are expensive.



I read somewhere that 3 phase motors can be run on single phase 220, but the motor start would not work. (You can spin the tire once by hand to get it going then it would work).

What about a vfd.

Does this sound correct? What about the electronic read out on the machine? Would it work on single phase 220 without a converter?



I appreciate it!