I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks fired this volley in
:

There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all
they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?

No telling, Tom. The best thing to do is find someone in one of the
'real' machining fora that has the same equipment and has repaired or
analyzed it.

Who'd you get them from? Often, the vendor will have some 'hidden'
documentation.

Lloyd

On 5/24/2013 6:44 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks fired this volley in
:

There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all
they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?

No telling, Tom. The best thing to do is find someone in one of the
'real' machining fora that has the same equipment and has repaired or
analyzed it.

Who'd you get them from? Often, the vendor will have some 'hidden'
documentation.

Lloyd


Bought directly from the factory in China for $71 + $48 shipping FedEx.
They communicate in Chinglish, but I'll try to explain it to them,
maybe buy a couple of their scales.

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks fired this volley in
:

There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all
they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?

No telling, Tom. The best thing to do is find someone in one of the
'real' machining fora that has the same equipment and has repaired or
analyzed it.

Who'd you get them from? Often, the vendor will have some 'hidden'
documentation.

Lloyd

Actually, it's very easy to figure out and I'd happily help him if he wasn't
such a ****ing ass.

On 5/26/2013 1:32 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks fired this volley in
:

There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all
they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?

No telling, Tom. The best thing to do is find someone in one of the
'real' machining fora that has the same equipment and has repaired or
analyzed it.

Who'd you get them from? Often, the vendor will have some 'hidden'
documentation.

Lloyd

Actually, it's very easy to figure out and I'd happily help him if he wasn't
such a ****ing ass.



Nobody here would **** on you if you were on fire. Don't pretend you
know jack ****, you have to Google how to wipe your ass! Stupid ****!

On 5/26/2013 2:01 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:32 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks fired this volley in
:

There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all
they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?

No telling, Tom. The best thing to do is find someone in one of the
'real' machining fora that has the same equipment and has repaired or
analyzed it.

Who'd you get them from? Often, the vendor will have some 'hidden'
documentation.

Lloyd

Actually, it's very easy to figure out and I'd happily help him if he
wasn't
such a ****ing ass.



Nobody here would **** on you if you were on fire. Don't pretend you
know jack ****, you have to Google how to wipe your ass! Stupid ****!



I take it back, I WOULD **** on you if you were on fire...or even if you
weren't.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:37:53 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer a home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don Foreman. Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.

Karl

"Karl Townsend"
wrote in message On Fri, 24 May 2013
18:37:53 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective
one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino)
2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder
about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I
don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are
just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no
explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales
defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My
BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer a
home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don Foreman.
Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this
coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.

Karl


Wasn't it Don who got a pacemaker and was
attempting to
come up with a way to TIG aluminum? He was
concerned
with the high freq making trouble.. wonder how it
worked out.
phil

"Phil Kangas" fired this volley in news:knos7k
:

Wasn't it Don who got a pacemaker and was
attempting to
come up with a way to TIG aluminum? He was
concerned
with the high freq making trouble.. wonder how it
worked out.
phil

He's doing "weld" since the experiment.
Lloyd

Karl Townsend wrote:

On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:37:53 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer a home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don Foreman. Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.


Would you tell Don I said 'Hello'? I really miss his contributions
to the group, and his wit.

On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:37:53 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer a home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don Foreman. Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.

Karl



Say hi, let me know if you solve it.

On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:12:10 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:37:53 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one? My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer a home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don Foreman. Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.

Karl



Say hi, let me know if you solve it.

Don and his lady were out Thursday. he used his scope and fixed my
scale up like new.

We did a bit of gunsmoke, then had a fine meal of steak on the grill,
fresh asparagus, the first brocolli salad of the year out of Julie's
high tunnel greenhouse, and fine cherry cobbler made by Vicky. She
also brought a fine bottle of Reisling. All in all a very fine
evening.

Karl

"Karl Townsend"
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:12:10 -0400, Tom Gardner
Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:37:53 -0400, Tom
Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I got a replacement readout for the defective
one I have. I had
replaced the power supply in that Uniq (Sino)
2-axis display to no
avail. The DRO is not counting and I wonder
about the wiring. There
are DB-9 connectors on these TTL scales and I
don't know if they are
wired to a standard. The Chinglish manuals
are just no help at all they
show 4 different pin-out diagrams with no
explanation. Will I damage
them by miswiring them? Are both scales
defective? How do I test them
without an oscilloscope? Or, even with one?
My BP is cursed lately and
it's getting a LOT of hours.

I've got similar problems. My solution, offer
a home cooked Angus
steak on the grill and apple pie to Don
Foreman. Looks like we have to
do some gunsmoke too. Don will be out this
coming Thursday with his
lady, Vicky.

Karl



Say hi, let me know if you solve it.

Don and his lady were out Thursday. he used his
scope and fixed my
scale up like new.

We did a bit of gunsmoke, then had a fine meal
of steak on the grill,
fresh asparagus, the first brocolli salad of the
year out of Julie's
high tunnel greenhouse, and fine cherry cobbler
made by Vicky. She
also brought a fine bottle of Reisling. All in
all a very fine
evening.

Karl


I'd still like to know how Don handled that
pacemaker problem
while welding aluminum...

"Phil Kangas" fired this volley in news:koghbk
:


I'd still like to know how Don handled that
pacemaker problem
while welding aluminum...

With some sense of 'palpitation', I'm guessing.

Lloyd

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had replaced
the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no avail. The DRO
is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There are DB-9 connectors
on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are wired to a standard. The
Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they show 4 different pin-out
diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage them by miswiring them? Are
both scales defective? How do I test them without an oscilloscope? Or,
even with one? My BP is cursed lately and it's getting a LOT of hours.

You need to figure out what wires the power goes to. Newall used to have
info on their website for using their scales on other readouts, that might
help in seeing what the DB-9 connector fits. So you should have a ground,
+5V, A, B, & Z (index). A and B should be quadrature square waves, that
means, going in one direction, A goes ON, then B goes ON, then A goes OFF,
then B goes OFF, and reverses that sequence in the other direction. The Z
Index pulse comes on 1 pulse per revolution on rotary encoders and it's up
to the manufacturer on linear scales, I don't know if they have a standard.

I figured out an encoder once without a pinout. Internally there will be a
LED or two powered from the 5V, they will have current limiting resistors.
So it ohms out like a diode with around 2V drop in series with current
limiting resistors. If you use a 5V power supply in series with a 4.7k ohm
resistor, it will limit the current to a little over 1 milliamp. So when
you hit the negative and positive lead on the right pins it should drop 2-3V
across the resistor and you'll have 2-3V across the scale pins. That's
because with 1ma, the LED's will start conducting around 2V and the rest of
the voltage will drop between your 4.7K Ohm resistor and the internal
current limiting resistor. The 1ma limit should prevent burning up anything
if you hit the wrong pins. To be safe, you could try a higher ohm resistor,
just remember the right connection for the power should start drawing power
around 2V. There could be electronics inside that also draws some power
like the TTL drivers but most of the power should be to the LED's, probably
40-50 ma for the LED's and maybe 2 ma for the other electronics.

RogerN

On 5/24/2013 10:11 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had replaced
the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no avail. The DRO
is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There are DB-9 connectors
on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are wired to a standard. The
Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they show 4 different pin-out
diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage them by miswiring them? Are
both scales defective? How do I test them without an oscilloscope? Or,
even with one? My BP is cursed lately and it's getting a LOT of hours.

You need to figure out what wires the power goes to. Newall used to have
info on their website for using their scales on other readouts, that might
help in seeing what the DB-9 connector fits. So you should have a ground,
+5V, A, B, & Z (index). A and B should be quadrature square waves, that
means, going in one direction, A goes ON, then B goes ON, then A goes OFF,
then B goes OFF, and reverses that sequence in the other direction. The Z
Index pulse comes on 1 pulse per revolution on rotary encoders and it's up
to the manufacturer on linear scales, I don't know if they have a standard.

I figured out an encoder once without a pinout. Internally there will be a
LED or two powered from the 5V, they will have current limiting resistors.
So it ohms out like a diode with around 2V drop in series with current
limiting resistors. If you use a 5V power supply in series with a 4.7k ohm
resistor, it will limit the current to a little over 1 milliamp. So when
you hit the negative and positive lead on the right pins it should drop 2-3V
across the resistor and you'll have 2-3V across the scale pins. That's
because with 1ma, the LED's will start conducting around 2V and the rest of
the voltage will drop between your 4.7K Ohm resistor and the internal
current limiting resistor. The 1ma limit should prevent burning up anything
if you hit the wrong pins. To be safe, you could try a higher ohm resistor,
just remember the right connection for the power should start drawing power
around 2V. There could be electronics inside that also draws some power
like the TTL drivers but most of the power should be to the LED's, probably
40-50 ma for the LED's and maybe 2 ma for the other electronics.

RogerN



I DO know the scales' wiring. 1-NC, 2-BLK(0 VOLTS), 3-NUL, 4-NUL,
5-NUL, 6-A, 7-+5VOLTS,8-B, 9-Z (Zero), and that matches the old Uniq
DRO/Scales book TTL output DB-9. And, it matches one diagram in the
new DRO book labeled: Nine core bnc connector jack and sense organ
connect table". BUT...there are two more diagrams. One labeled
"Optical linear scale signal connector" and "The connector". Each
diagram has different placements of the wires. So, I don't really know
what the box is wired for and I think I'm pretty good in Chinglish. I
also don't know if the scales were damaged when the read-out box died.

So, knowing the wiring on the scales, I do I test them?

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 10:11 PM, RogerN wrote:
snip power
around 2V. There could be electronics inside that also draws some power
like the TTL drivers but most of the power should be to the LED's,
probably
40-50 ma for the LED's and maybe 2 ma for the other electronics.

RogerN



I DO know the scales' wiring. 1-NC, 2-BLK(0 VOLTS), 3-NUL, 4-NUL, 5-NUL,
6-A, 7-+5VOLTS,8-B, 9-Z (Zero), and that matches the old Uniq DRO/Scales
book TTL output DB-9. And, it matches one diagram in the new DRO book
labeled: Nine core bnc connector jack and sense organ connect table".
BUT...there are two more diagrams. One labeled "Optical linear scale
signal connector" and "The connector". Each diagram has different
placements of the wires. So, I don't really know what the box is wired for
and I think I'm pretty good in Chinglish. I also don't know if the scales
were damaged when the read-out box died.

So, knowing the wiring on the scales, I do I test them?

You need to look at pins A and B with either voltmeters, oscilloscope, logic
probe, LED's, or what do you have?

If it were me I'd probably wire them to a microcontroller or my CNC
interface board. I have 2 encoders connected to the new CNC controller I've
been working on.

RogerN

On 5/24/2013 11:50 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 10:11 PM, RogerN wrote:
snip power
around 2V. There could be electronics inside that also draws some power
like the TTL drivers but most of the power should be to the LED's,
probably
40-50 ma for the LED's and maybe 2 ma for the other electronics.

RogerN



I DO know the scales' wiring. 1-NC, 2-BLK(0 VOLTS), 3-NUL, 4-NUL, 5-NUL,
6-A, 7-+5VOLTS,8-B, 9-Z (Zero), and that matches the old Uniq DRO/Scales
book TTL output DB-9. And, it matches one diagram in the new DRO book
labeled: Nine core bnc connector jack and sense organ connect table".
BUT...there are two more diagrams. One labeled "Optical linear scale
signal connector" and "The connector". Each diagram has different
placements of the wires. So, I don't really know what the box is wired for
and I think I'm pretty good in Chinglish. I also don't know if the scales
were damaged when the read-out box died.

So, knowing the wiring on the scales, I do I test them?

You need to look at pins A and B with either voltmeters, oscilloscope, logic
probe, LED's, or what do you have?

If it were me I'd probably wire them to a microcontroller or my CNC
interface board. I have 2 encoders connected to the new CNC controller I've
been working on.

RogerN



If I apply +5 and ground what should I see on the signal lines (A, B)?
Would it be while moving the scale? I only have a good DVM but should
be able to get my hands on a scope.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

snip

If it were me I'd probably wire them to a microcontroller or my CNC
interface board. I have 2 encoders connected to the new CNC controller
I've
been working on.

RogerN



If I apply +5 and ground what should I see on the signal lines (A, B)?
Would it be while moving the scale? I only have a good DVM but should be
able to get my hands on a scope.


On A and B you'll see either an OFF voltage, (2V) or an ON (around 5V).
When you move the scale, A will go ON and OFF, B does the same thing but
it's 90 degrees out of phase. When A first goes ON, B will be ON if it's
going one way, B will be OFF if it's going the other way. So on typical 10
micron scales starting when A first comes ON, move 10um (Micro Meter), B ON,
move 10um, A OFF, move 10um, B OFF.

RogerN

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 11:50 PM, RogerN wrote:
snip
If it were me I'd probably wire them to a microcontroller or my CNC
interface board. I have 2 encoders connected to the new CNC controller
I've
been working on.

RogerN



If I apply +5 and ground what should I see on the signal lines (A, B)?
Would it be while moving the scale? I only have a good DVM but should be
able to get my hands on a scope.


Not knowing what you have available it's hard for me to suggest an easy way
to test it, the voltmeter is fine. If you can put one lead on A and the
other lead on B, it will read close to 0V when both A and B are the same,
~-5V when one is high and the other low and ~+5V the + lead is high and
the - lead is low. Other way is if you had a couple of TTL inputs on a PLC
card. Radio Shack sells the Arduino microcontrollers for around $35, you
can connect to your scales, run a program and read the state of A & B on the
PC screen.

RogerN

For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap, it's
often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some scales
manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct replacement for a
popular connector used among various DRO scale manufacturers.. but many
scale makers offer adapter cables and/or modules to rearrange signals or
modify signals to match those of a specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be performed
with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a known good DRO
readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface mount
technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the signal
lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no documentation
junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.

--
WB
..........


"Tom Gardner" Mars@Tacks wrote in message
...
I got a replacement readout for the defective one I have. I had replaced
the power supply in that Uniq (Sino) 2-axis display to no avail. The DRO
is not counting and I wonder about the wiring. There are DB-9 connectors
on these TTL scales and I don't know if they are wired to a standard. The
Chinglish manuals are just no help at all they show 4 different pin-out
diagrams with no explanation. Will I damage them by miswiring them? Are
both scales defective? How do I test them without an oscilloscope? Or,
even with one? My BP is cursed lately and it's getting a LOT of hours.

On 5/25/2013 7:48 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap,
it's often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some
scales manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct
replacement for a popular connector used among various DRO scale
manufacturers.. but many scale makers offer adapter cables and/or
modules to rearrange signals or modify signals to match those of a
specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be
performed with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a
known good DRO readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface
mount technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the
signal lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no
documentation junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.


I usually agree on buying quality. Had we known that this mill would
get the amount of use it does and how valuable a DRO would be, and what
brands and vendors to use...

What brands would YOU recommend?

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:01:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/25/2013 7:48 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap,
it's often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some
scales manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct
replacement for a popular connector used among various DRO scale
manufacturers.. but many scale makers offer adapter cables and/or
modules to rearrange signals or modify signals to match those of a
specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be
performed with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a
known good DRO readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface
mount technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the
signal lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no
documentation junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.


I usually agree on buying quality. Had we known that this mill would
get the amount of use it does and how valuable a DRO would be, and what
brands and vendors to use...

What brands would YOU recommend?

Sony, Mits, Newall or Heiderlein, AcuRite

No particular order.

Gunner





--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

On 5/25/2013 9:57 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:01:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/25/2013 7:48 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap,
it's often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some
scales manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct
replacement for a popular connector used among various DRO scale
manufacturers.. but many scale makers offer adapter cables and/or
modules to rearrange signals or modify signals to match those of a
specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be
performed with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a
known good DRO readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface
mount technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the
signal lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no
documentation junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.


I usually agree on buying quality. Had we known that this mill would
get the amount of use it does and how valuable a DRO would be, and what
brands and vendors to use...

What brands would YOU recommend?

Sony, Mits, Newall or Heiderlein, AcuRite

No particular order.

Gunner





--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."



If I can't get this up and running---I can't live without one.

On Sun, 26 May 2013 01:48:44 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/25/2013 9:57 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:01:52 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 5/25/2013 7:48 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap,
it's often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some
scales manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct
replacement for a popular connector used among various DRO scale
manufacturers.. but many scale makers offer adapter cables and/or
modules to rearrange signals or modify signals to match those of a
specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be
performed with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a
known good DRO readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface
mount technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the
signal lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no
documentation junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.


I usually agree on buying quality. Had we known that this mill would
get the amount of use it does and how valuable a DRO would be, and what
brands and vendors to use...

What brands would YOU recommend?

Sony, Mits, Newall or Heiderlein, AcuRite

No particular order.

Gunner

If I can't get this up and running---I can't live without one.

How about this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FAGOR-INNOVA...-/120799249910

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-Milli...-/300908124372

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Newall-D...-/330443526335

You do know you can buy readers, scales and cables as seperate devices
often times cheaper than you can buy a complete package..right? A
buddy of mine has BIG machines..bought a new 10 FOOT scale for $500
for his horizontal machining center with Heidenhain DRO 3 axis.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...oyo+dro&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...= 0&_from=R40

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...heidenhain+dro

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...oyo+dro&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...m+dro&_sacat=0


Now I know a couple shops that have purchased Jenix and have gotten
good service out of them so far with no issues noted

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...x+dro&_sacat=0



BTW......Found this...how much do yall think it is going to sell for?
Cute little *******!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINT-1980-ST...E/310344258009


--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

Check in catalogs/websites for MSC, Enco, etc.. not Harbor Freight, Grizzly
or mini-mill/hobbiest sites (not for a machine used for production/income).
Brand names that have product support, repair facilities and documentation.

Compare the brand name unit new prices to pieces which can be found on eBag
or surplus sellers.
A number of years ago, maybe 8, there were numerous DRO manufacturers'
websites showing a lot of technical info and brand name cross-reference
compatibility, but I dunno about now.

Or, just buy more Chinese units. Put the defective stuff on eBag and see
what it will bring, maybe a good portion of the new Chinese unit.
Then in let's say, 2 to 18 months, repeat.

Maybe your priority is spending any spare time demeaning others on usenet,
instead of doing some research for your company's production.

--
WB
..........


"Tom Gardner" Mars@Tacks wrote in message
...
On 5/25/2013 7:48 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
For the price, ya got your money's worth. When buying something cheap,
it's often worthwhile to buy more than one.

There isn't a single standard for scale connectors, there are some
scales manufactured which are intended to be a plug-in direct
replacement for a popular connector used among various DRO scale
manufacturers.. but many scale makers offer adapter cables and/or
modules to rearrange signals or modify signals to match those of a
specific DRO readout unit.

Examining some online info regarding the operation of TTL encoders will
explain the simplicity of their function. Troubleshooting can be
performed with basic instruments, but actual testing will require a
known good DRO readout unit.

Aside from the replace-more-assemblies-roulette-game, repair isn't
likely.
If you're not experienced at repairing electronic gear with surface
mount technology, you're essentially limited to checking cable conductor
continuity and seeing if any signal activity can be detected on the
signal lines.. the rest is basically throw-away low quality crap, no
documentation junk, intended to create more landfills on a global scale.
But I'm sure the marketing pictures were impressive.

If the internal connections are marked, connecting a known good encoder,
even a rotary, will show if the DRO readout unit can count up/down.


I usually agree on buying quality. Had we known that this mill would get
the amount of use it does and how valuable a DRO would be, and what brands
and vendors to use...

What brands would YOU recommend?

On 5/26/2013 7:51 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
Check in catalogs/websites for MSC, Enco, etc.. not Harbor Freight,
Grizzly or mini-mill/hobbiest sites (not for a machine used for
production/income).
Brand names that have product support, repair facilities and documentation.

Compare the brand name unit new prices to pieces which can be found on
eBag or surplus sellers.
A number of years ago, maybe 8, there were numerous DRO manufacturers'
websites showing a lot of technical info and brand name cross-reference
compatibility, but I dunno about now.

Or, just buy more Chinese units. Put the defective stuff on eBag and see
what it will bring, maybe a good portion of the new Chinese unit.
Then in let's say, 2 to 18 months, repeat.

Maybe your priority is spending any spare time demeaning others on
usenet, instead of doing some research for your company's production.


This was the first DRO I ever had and the mill wasn't used a lot. But
with a brand new BP and a DRO our capabilities grew and more complex
design were possible and done a LOT faster. It was just getting our
feet wet on the cheap. Just like a guy just starting to get interested
photography doesn't buy a Leica or he's a fool. Now, I would buy a top
brand at the local supplier if the scales are bad as well as the
readout. I can't complain about the Uniq, it worked perfect for 5 years
up until there was a power outage that took out electronics all over the
complex we are in. I had three computers, two light fixtures and a
refrigerator crap out in the building, as well as the DRO.

I don't demean people on usenet, I never originate OT posts, I only
respond to and make fun of outrageous statements and respond in kind to
how I'm written to. Sorry if you feel offended.

Not to worry about me being offended, I don't give a FRA about it.. but you
do participate regularly in the pathetic ****ing contest, name calling and
demeaning habits of gummer and others (apparently just for the fun? of it),
so don't bother to attempt to suggest you don't.

Were readers of your post suppose to imagine that the DRO was damaged by a
destructive power line surge?
That's essentially the same type of damage incurred with lightning damage
and likely not going to be restored to dependable/reliable operation.
So use the insurance money for a better quality DRO.

Or maybe you were anticipating an insurance payment plus a simple fix..
which kinda smells like fraud.

You never originate OT posts.. well, not lately anyway.
So many dumbasses seem to forget that I've been reading RCM attentively for
over a decade.

--
WB
..........


"Tom Gardner" Mars@Tacks wrote in message
news
On 5/26/2013 7:51 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
Check in catalogs/websites for MSC, Enco, etc.. not Harbor Freight,
Grizzly or mini-mill/hobbiest sites (not for a machine used for
production/income).
Brand names that have product support, repair facilities and
documentation.

Compare the brand name unit new prices to pieces which can be found on
eBag or surplus sellers.
A number of years ago, maybe 8, there were numerous DRO manufacturers'
websites showing a lot of technical info and brand name cross-reference
compatibility, but I dunno about now.

Or, just buy more Chinese units. Put the defective stuff on eBag and see
what it will bring, maybe a good portion of the new Chinese unit.
Then in let's say, 2 to 18 months, repeat.

Maybe your priority is spending any spare time demeaning others on
usenet, instead of doing some research for your company's production.


This was the first DRO I ever had and the mill wasn't used a lot. But
with a brand new BP and a DRO our capabilities grew and more complex
design were possible and done a LOT faster. It was just getting our feet
wet on the cheap. Just like a guy just starting to get interested
photography doesn't buy a Leica or he's a fool. Now, I would buy a top
brand at the local supplier if the scales are bad as well as the readout.
I can't complain about the Uniq, it worked perfect for 5 years up until
there was a power outage that took out electronics all over the complex we
are in. I had three computers, two light fixtures and a refrigerator crap
out in the building, as well as the DRO.

I don't demean people on usenet, I never originate OT posts, I only
respond to and make fun of outrageous statements and respond in kind to
how I'm written to. Sorry if you feel offended.

Interesting do it yourself DRO reader using arduino.

http://www.yuriystoys.com/2012/09/do...duino-and.html

RogerN