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Waterjet cutting... Is it a good investment?
Water Jet cutting has quickly become the most popular method of cutting due to its diverse applications. I know of a local sign company that has all of their "die-cut" signs cut by a waterjet cutter. I, also, know of a machine shop that has parts cut using waterjets. However, the machines do come at a cost. I would suggest contacting a water jet manufacturer and getting a quote for your application so you can judge for yourself if you would be able to make a healthy living using one of the machines. Of course, it will also depend on how much competition there is in your area.
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On 9/6/2012 17:07, Doug White wrote:
wrote in : Water Jet cutting has quickly become the most popular method of cutting due to its diverse applications. I know of a local sign company that has all of their "die-cut" signs cut by a waterjet cutter. I, also, know of a machine shop that has parts cut using waterjets. However, the machines do come at a cost. I would suggest contacting a water jet manufacturer and getting a quote for your application so you can judge for yourself if you would be able to make a healthy living using one of the machines. Of course, it will also depend on how much competition there is in your area. WaterJet manufacturer: http://semyx.com/ Omax is one of the other big vendors. The MIT shop that alums can use has an Omax machine, and I finally had a project that I really didn't want to do any other way. I needed to cut a whole bunch of fairly intricate little pieces out of 3/32" thick UHMW polyethylene sheet. http://www.targettalk.org/download.php?id=5711 It took a little bit to dial in the right settings, and even then, it cut a slightly rough edge with a definite slope to it. It was fine for my needs, but the parts took some manual labor to deburr & clean up. I only got charged for the waterjet materials (lots of garnet abrasive & some wear on the sapphire nozzle), at a cost of $3 a minute. It could only do several pieces a minute, so the cost per part wasn't insignificant. If I'd had to pay rental on the machine, it would have been prohibitively expensive. I'm happy with the results, but I think cutting UHMW PE isn't its strong suit. Doug White Holy ****!! $180 bucks an hour, material cost only. You were waaaaaaay overcharged. You can buy a lot of .062 2 flute end mills for that amount, and they are reusable after cutting UHMW. -- Steve Walker (remove brain when replying) |
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Waterjet cutting... Is it a good investment?
Steve Walker wrote in
: On 9/6/2012 17:07, Doug White wrote: wrote in : Water Jet cutting has quickly become the most popular method of cutting due to its diverse applications. I know of a local sign company that has all of their "die-cut" signs cut by a waterjet cutter. I, also, know of a machine shop that has parts cut using waterjets. However, the machines do come at a cost. I would suggest contacting a water jet manufacturer and getting a quote for your application so you can judge for yourself if you would be able to make a healthy living using one of the machines. Of course, it will also depend on how much competition there is in your area. WaterJet manufacturer: http://semyx.com/ Omax is one of the other big vendors. The MIT shop that alums can use has an Omax machine, and I finally had a project that I really didn't want to do any other way. I needed to cut a whole bunch of fairly intricate little pieces out of 3/32" thick UHMW polyethylene sheet. http://www.targettalk.org/download.php?id=5711 It took a little bit to dial in the right settings, and even then, it cut a slightly rough edge with a definite slope to it. It was fine for my needs, but the parts took some manual labor to deburr & clean up. I only got charged for the waterjet materials (lots of garnet abrasive & some wear on the sapphire nozzle), at a cost of $3 a minute. It could only do several pieces a minute, so the cost per part wasn't insignificant. If I'd had to pay rental on the machine, it would have been prohibitively expensive. I'm happy with the results, but I think cutting UHMW PE isn't its strong suit. Doug White Holy ****!! $180 bucks an hour, material cost only. You were waaaaaaay overcharged. You can buy a lot of .062 2 flute end mills for that amount, and they are reusable after cutting UHMW. Only if you have a CNC mill. Next time, I will have to investigate that option. It was certainly more expensive than I expected, and the shop isn't trying to make a profit, just cover costs. Fortunately, this was a relatively small production run, and a valuable learning experience for me. As a side note, an acquaintance of mine got a Chinese laser engraver that he has modified, and he's now cutting 1/4" plexiglass with it. Said it cost him about $600. I need to pester him for more details. He said it works great, but the stink is awful. I found this on-line, and I expect his setup is similar: http://tinyurl.com/35jcztu http://preview.tinyurl.com/35jcztu Doug White |
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Waterjet cutting... Is it a good investment?
Doug White wrote:
Steve wrote in : On 9/6/2012 17:07, Doug White wrote: wrote in : Water Jet cutting has quickly become the most popular method of cutting due to its diverse applications. I know of a local sign company that has all of their "die-cut" signs cut by a waterjet cutter. I, also, know of a machine shop that has parts cut using waterjets. However, the machines do come at a cost. I would suggest contacting a water jet manufacturer and getting a quote for your application so you can judge for yourself if you would be able to make a healthy living using one of the machines. Of course, it will also depend on how much competition there is in your area. WaterJet manufacturer: http://semyx.com/ Omax is one of the other big vendors. The MIT shop that alums can use has an Omax machine, and I finally had a project that I really didn't want to do any other way. I needed to cut a whole bunch of fairly intricate little pieces out of 3/32" thick UHMW polyethylene sheet. http://www.targettalk.org/download.php?id=5711 It took a little bit to dial in the right settings, and even then, it cut a slightly rough edge with a definite slope to it. It was fine for my needs, but the parts took some manual labor to deburr& clean up. I only got charged for the waterjet materials (lots of garnet abrasive& some wear on the sapphire nozzle), at a cost of $3 a minute. It could only do several pieces a minute, so the cost per part wasn't insignificant. If I'd had to pay rental on the machine, it would have been prohibitively expensive. I'm happy with the results, but I think cutting UHMW PE isn't its strong suit. Doug White Holy ****!! $180 bucks an hour, material cost only. You were waaaaaaay overcharged. You can buy a lot of .062 2 flute end mills for that amount, and they are reusable after cutting UHMW. Only if you have a CNC mill. Next time, I will have to investigate that option. It was certainly more expensive than I expected, and the shop isn't trying to make a profit, just cover costs. Fortunately, this was a relatively small production run, and a valuable learning experience for me. As a side note, an acquaintance of mine got a Chinese laser engraver that he has modified, and he's now cutting 1/4" plexiglass with it. Said it cost him about $600. I need to pester him for more details. He said it works great, but the stink is awful. I found this on-line, and I expect his setup is similar: http://tinyurl.com/35jcztu http://preview.tinyurl.com/35jcztu Doug White I built a 40 watt CO2 laser engraver to etch logo and serial number into cylindrical part. Laser components were from lightobject.com and cost about $600. The transport was built from surplus parts from document scanners and security camera pan-and- tilt mechanisms. Controller was ebay microstepper drives and EMC2. It works beautifully and saved me about $9000. As far as I can tell, I'm using about 15-20 watts to burn through black or red anodizing. That much power would make short work of your parts. |
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Waterjet cutting... Is it a good investment?
"Doug White" wrote in message . .. Steve Walker wrote in : On 9/6/2012 17:07, Doug White wrote: wrote in : Water Jet cutting has quickly become the most popular method of cutting due to its diverse applications. I know of a local sign company that has all of their "die-cut" signs cut by a waterjet cutter. I, also, know of a machine shop that has parts cut using waterjets. However, the machines do come at a cost. I would suggest contacting a water jet manufacturer and getting a quote for your application so you can judge for yourself if you would be able to make a healthy living using one of the machines. Of course, it will also depend on how much competition there is in your area. WaterJet manufacturer: http://semyx.com/ Omax is one of the other big vendors. The MIT shop that alums can use has an Omax machine, and I finally had a project that I really didn't want to do any other way. I needed to cut a whole bunch of fairly intricate little pieces out of 3/32" thick UHMW polyethylene sheet. http://www.targettalk.org/download.php?id=5711 It took a little bit to dial in the right settings, and even then, it cut a slightly rough edge with a definite slope to it. It was fine for my needs, but the parts took some manual labor to deburr & clean up. I only got charged for the waterjet materials (lots of garnet abrasive & some wear on the sapphire nozzle), at a cost of $3 a minute. It could only do several pieces a minute, so the cost per part wasn't insignificant. If I'd had to pay rental on the machine, it would have been prohibitively expensive. I'm happy with the results, but I think cutting UHMW PE isn't its strong suit. Doug White Holy ****!! $180 bucks an hour, material cost only. You were waaaaaaay overcharged. You can buy a lot of .062 2 flute end mills for that amount, and they are reusable after cutting UHMW. Only if you have a CNC mill. Next time, I will have to investigate that option. It was certainly more expensive than I expected, and the shop isn't trying to make a profit, just cover costs. Fortunately, this was a relatively small production run, and a valuable learning experience for me. As a side note, an acquaintance of mine got a Chinese laser engraver that he has modified, and he's now cutting 1/4" plexiglass with it. Said it cost him about $600. I need to pester him for more details. He said it works great, but the stink is awful. I found this on-line, and I expect his setup is similar: http://tinyurl.com/35jcztu http://preview.tinyurl.com/35jcztu Doug White I was going to ask if you had looked into laser cutters. I think there are more expensive pulsed laser machines that are better for plastic. They ablate the material more than they burn it and leave a cleaner edge. UV excimer and copper vapor lasers are good for really, really fine work in plastics if you are interested in that. The stink from your friend's modified cutter could be more than just a nuisance or health problem. If the smoke condenses on the last optical element it can cause catastrophic failure pretty quickly as the smoke causes more of the laser energy to be absorbed at the surface of the optic which might cause it to crack. The laser heads on industrial machines have air jets and vacuum nozzles to remove the smoke from the area and cool the cut. They also usually have a cheap, replaceable IR window to protect the expensive IR lens (although even the windows are not very cheap). Discalimer: I am an optical engineer who has designed equipment using CO2 lasers for thermal processing but not actual cutting. |
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