Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a discussion
about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on sale for 35 bucks . I
F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet wind blew it from where I put
it during a bad thunderstorm , and it's been unreliacle ever since .
I'll post an opinion of this unit after I've had a chance to use it .

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

"Snag" wrote in message
news
Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a discussion
about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on sale for 35 bucks .
I F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet wind blew it from where I
put it during a bad thunderstorm , and it's been unreliacle ever since .
I'll post an opinion of this unit after I've had a chance to use it .

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

My personal experience is only with NexGen. I have heard up and down on HF.
And now, I'm even hearing that there's enough accumulated lag time over the
course of a day to affect everyone, so people who weld professionally are
going back to solid lenses.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message
news
Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a
discussion about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on
sale for 35 bucks . I F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet
wind blew it from where I put it during a bad thunderstorm , and
it's been unreliacle ever since . I'll post an opinion of this unit
after I've had a chance to use it . --
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

My personal experience is only with NexGen. I have heard up and down
on HF. And now, I'm even hearing that there's enough accumulated lag
time over the course of a day to affect everyone, so people who weld
professionally are going back to solid lenses.

Steve

I tried it , just a couple of short beads with the WeldPak and it seems to
work OK . This is 4 helmets in my collection now ... 1st was a small-lens
solid , then a big lens solid , the 1st auto was a gift from the wife the
one that got wet and now this one .
I suspect if I'm going to be doing a lot of welding the big lens solid
will be my choice - BUT I did notice a big improvement in my beads when I
got that first auto unit . Might be different if I did weld a lot , but for
the little I do I like the auto helmets .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

Snag wrote:

Steve B wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message
news
Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a
discussion about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on
sale for 35 bucks . I F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet
wind blew it from where I put it during a bad thunderstorm , and
it's been unreliacle ever since . I'll post an opinion of this unit
after I've had a chance to use it . --
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

My personal experience is only with NexGen. I have heard up and down
on HF. And now, I'm even hearing that there's enough accumulated lag
time over the course of a day to affect everyone, so people who weld
professionally are going back to solid lenses.

Steve

I tried it , just a couple of short beads with the WeldPak and it seems to
work OK . This is 4 helmets in my collection now ... 1st was a small-lens
solid , then a big lens solid , the 1st auto was a gift from the wife the
one that got wet and now this one .
I suspect if I'm going to be doing a lot of welding the big lens solid
will be my choice - BUT I did notice a big improvement in my beads when I
got that first auto unit . Might be different if I did weld a lot , but for
the little I do I like the auto helmets .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

I've got a Nexgen EQC HTLS and a HF (and a couple fixed too), both work
fine. The HF with the smaller window and darker "light" shade is ok for
moving between weld positions, but not for moving clamps and whatnot.
The Nexgen with HTLS and larger window allows for moving clamps and
whatnot without lifting the helmet. I'm not a pro welder, but I've done
some moderately involved projects and not had any eye issues, though I
have had the occasional under-chin tan.

On 8/25/2012 1:22 PM, Snag wrote:
....
I tried it , just a couple of short beads with the WeldPak and it seems to
work OK ....

I was the one that had/has the difficulty in bringing self to trust HF
when it comes to safety-related stuff as alluded to in opening thread...

Just out of curiosity, did the helmet come w/ an indication that the
ANSI Standard really does apply or was it weasel-worded to imply
something that might just be or not be so????

I've a fair amount of past experience where overseas vendors from a
large and populous country were both outright faking and in lesser cases
implying product passed N-stamp (nuclear safety-grade use)
certifications when, in fact, they weren't even close. Other examples
in the news in the relatively recent past include aircraft repair parts,
medical-certifications, etc., etc., amongst other things...

It's a fair leap of faith the vendor really does what he says he does
and I still don't have that comfort-feeling w/ HF whether or not that
distrust is warranted...again, that's me.

I'll go away again, now...

--

dpb wrote:
On 8/25/2012 1:22 PM, Snag wrote:
...
I tried it , just a couple of short beads with the WeldPak and it
seems to work OK ....

I was the one that had/has the difficulty in bringing self to trust HF
when it comes to safety-related stuff as alluded to in opening
thread...
Just out of curiosity, did the helmet come w/ an indication that the
ANSI Standard really does apply or was it weasel-worded to imply
something that might just be or not be so????

I've a fair amount of past experience where overseas vendors from a
large and populous country were both outright faking and in lesser
cases implying product passed N-stamp (nuclear safety-grade use)
certifications when, in fact, they weren't even close. Other examples
in the news in the relatively recent past include aircraft repair
parts, medical-certifications, etc., etc., amongst other things...

It's a fair leap of faith the vendor really does what he says he does
and I still don't have that comfort-feeling w/ HF whether or not that
distrust is warranted...again, that's me.

I'll go away again, now...

There's a sticker on the lens unit that says "ANSI Z87.1-2003 , and
another on the helmet body that says "Welding Helmet with ANSI-Approved
Lens" . Also says it's not approved for TIG , plasma curring , laser welding
, nor OA welding/cutting operations . UV / IR protection up to 16 at all
times .
Doesn't sound like weasel-words to me ... BTW , I bought a rotating laser
level today too , and it works exactly as the advertising blurb says . Plus
it's got a lifetime warranty ! I made sure I taped the receipt to the inside
of the molded case so I won't lose it .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

In article ,
"Snag" wrote:

dpb wrote:
On 8/25/2012 1:22 PM, Snag wrote:
...
I tried it , just a couple of short beads with the WeldPak and it
seems to work OK ....

I was the one that had/has the difficulty in bringing self to trust HF
when it comes to safety-related stuff as alluded to in opening
thread...
Just out of curiosity, did the helmet come w/ an indication that the
ANSI Standard really does apply or was it weasel-worded to imply
something that might just be or not be so????

I've a fair amount of past experience where overseas vendors from a
large and populous country were both outright faking and in lesser
cases implying product passed N-stamp (nuclear safety-grade use)
certifications when, in fact, they weren't even close. Other examples
in the news in the relatively recent past include aircraft repair
parts, medical-certifications, etc., etc., amongst other things...

It's a fair leap of faith the vendor really does what he says he does
and I still don't have that comfort-feeling w/ HF whether or not that
distrust is warranted...again, that's me.

I'll go away again, now...

There's a sticker on the lens unit that says "ANSI Z87.1-2003 , and
another on the helmet body that says "Welding Helmet with ANSI-Approved
Lens" . Also says it's not approved for TIG , plasma curring , laser welding
, nor OA welding/cutting operations . UV / IR protection up to 16 at all
times .
Doesn't sound like weasel-words to me ... BTW , I bought a rotating laser
level today too , and it works exactly as the advertising blurb says . Plus
it's got a lifetime warranty ! I made sure I taped the receipt to the inside
of the molded case so I won't lose it .

The receipts from many cash registers will fade out before the warrantee
is over. I always make a xerox copy while the receipt is fresh.

Joe Gwinn

On 8/25/2012 3:41 PM, Snag wrote:
dpb wrote:
....

Just out of curiosity, did the helmet come w/ an indication that the
ANSI Standard really does apply or was it weasel-worded to imply
something that might just be or not be so????

I've a fair amount of past experience where overseas vendors from a
large and populous country were both outright faking and in lesser
cases implying product passed N-stamp (nuclear safety-grade use)
certifications when, in fact, they weren't even close. ...

It's a fair leap of faith the vendor really does what he says he does
....

There's a sticker on the lens unit that says "ANSI Z87.1-2003 , and
another on the helmet body that says "Welding Helmet with ANSI-Approved
Lens" . Also says it's not approved for TIG , plasma curring , laser welding
, nor OA welding/cutting operations . UV / IR protection up to 16 at all
times .
Doesn't sound like weasel-words to me ...

Well, that does indicate they are buying qualified stuff--power to 'em.

TIG I know about; plasma/laser, too. What's the problem about OA? Is
it infrared wrong wavelength maybe?

--

"Snag" fired this volley in
:

There's a sticker on the lens unit that says "ANSI Z87.1-2003 , and
another on the helmet body that says "Welding Helmet with
ANSI-Approved Lens" . Also says it's not approved for TIG , plasma
curring , laser welding , nor OA welding/cutting operations

After reading all this thread, I was at HF picking up a few fatigue pads
yesterday, and remembered to look at the helmets.

The one for $54.99 is also approved for TIG. Otherwise, it has all the
approvals you say. And it's a nice helmet -- larger lens and smoother
response than my 15-year-old "professional" one. After trying the demo
model on sunlight and fluorescents, I bought one.

Lloyd

So, you've written a post to tell us that you're going to post?

Well, I'm going to comment on it, when you write it.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Snag" wrote in message
news Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a discussion
about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on sale for 35 bucks . I
F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet wind blew it from where I put
it during a bad thunderstorm , and it's been unreliacle ever since .
I'll post an opinion of this unit after I've had a chance to use it .

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

Stormin Mormon wrote:
So, you've written a post to tell us that you're going to post?

Well, I'm going to comment on it, when you write it.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Snag" wrote in message
news Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a
discussion about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on sale
for 35 bucks . I F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet wind
blew it from where I put it during a bad thunderstorm , and it's
been unreliacle ever since . I'll post an opinion of this unit after
I've had a chance to use it .

Don't bother , I won't see it . Back into the bit bucket with you Stormy .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

And I shall follow it with baited breath ......

Steve

www.exmormon.org

"Snag" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
So, you've written a post to tell us that you're going to post?

Well, I'm going to comment on it, when you write it.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Snag" wrote in message
news Don't recall if it was here or over at sejw that there was a
discussion about HF auto-dark helmets , but I just bought one on sale
for 35 bucks . I F'ed up and let my Northern Tool one get wet wind
blew it from where I put it during a bad thunderstorm , and it's
been unreliacle ever since . I'll post an opinion of this unit after
I've had a chance to use it .

Don't bother , I won't see it . Back into the bit bucket with you Stormy
.
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 8/25/2012 5:14 PM, Steve B wrote:
And I shall follow it with baited breath ......
....

I think that's bait on the breath...

--

dpb wrote:
On 8/25/2012 5:14 PM, Steve B wrote:
And I shall follow it with baited breath ...... ...

I think that's bait on the breath...

I thought he meant he's going to eat some worms ... "Nobody loves me
everybody hates me I'm going to go eat worms . Yesterday I had two slick
ones and three fuzzy ones . I like the fuzzy ones best because they tickle
when you swallow ..."
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !