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Ceramic quarter round:
http://tiny.cc/8cwhjw About one dollarette each. Hold blade at angle and stroke from tip to hilt. Flip and grind other side. Rinse and you are good to go. Works fine for my hobby and cooking knives. Probably not so well for serrated, though. --Winston |
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That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the
product, for sale? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Winston" wrote in message ... Ceramic quarter round: http://tiny.cc/8cwhjw About one dollarette each. Hold blade at angle and stroke from tip to hilt. Flip and grind other side. Rinse and you are good to go. Works fine for my hobby and cooking knives. Probably not so well for serrated, though. --Winston |
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"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley in
: Probably not so well for serrated, though. Serrated blades are really only for the "roughness" provided; good for fibrous stuff, because they both slice and tear. But until the depth of the serration is ground off, sharpening only the edge is good enough. Scalloped blades (bread knives) seldom get dull in the depth of the scallops. Sharpening only the tips is enough there, too. When the scallops are ground away, it's either time for a shaped wheel re-grind, or replacement. Both types sharpen just fine on a flat stone, but in either case, sharpen only the flat side, not the serrated or scalloped side. A normal angle of grind - as if the blade were not grooved - works fine. Lloyd |
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On 8/23/2012 2:47 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In , Stormin wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Works wondewrs - with a piece of 600/1200 sandpaper on it. |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:55:36 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
(Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Both types sharpen just fine on a flat stone, but in either case, sharpen only the flat side, not the serrated or scalloped side. A normal angle of grind - as if the blade were not grooved - works fine. I did not know that. Thanks! --Winston |
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Winston fired this volley in
: (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) LLoyd |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...ramic-accents- borders-trims/u-s-ceramic-tile-bright-snow-white-3-4-in-x-6-in-quarter- round-ceramic-wall-tile-184131.html Yes. DAGS "ceramic quarter round" About a buck: [http://www.homedepot.com/buy/dal-til...-34-in-x-6-in- ceramic-quarter-round-50481.html] I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Yes for the last few weeks, I've discovered: (...) "Works fine for my hobby and cooking knives." It's particularly gratifying to sharpen a hobby knife this way. I'm using one for trimming the ends of very fine gauge copper wire, under a microscope. After a few seconds sharpening, the knife goes through that wire very quickly and cleanly with very little effort. --Winston |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:28:33 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A.
Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. Gunner One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy. - Jeff Cooper |
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Winston wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:28:33 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| Some people use the top of an old ceramic microprocessor, like the 386, 486 or 586. They say they are great for exacto knife blades, too. |
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On 8/23/2012 4:51 PM, Winston wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:28:33 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice.G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston I do it for stress relief. That way anybody in the kitchen knows when to chill. |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:28:01 -0500, Richard wrote:
On 8/23/2012 4:51 PM, Winston wrote: (...) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston I do it for stress relief. That way anybody in the kitchen knows when to chill. [http://www.jack-nicholson.info/image...nicholson-the- shining_thumb.jpg] "Hand over all the knives, darling..." --Winston |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:28:33 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) LLoyd I sharpened my mom's knives once. Next time I came home, she was sporting bandaids all over her hands, forbade me to ever touch her knives again. She told me she took them out on the patio and rubbed them on the concrete before she could use them again. Never could convince her that a palm is not a cutting board. Needless to say, I never offered to sharpen them again as long as she lived. The rest of the family pretty well leaves my knives alone. Pete Keillor |
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On 24 Aug 2012 00:48:03 GMT, Winston wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:28:01 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/23/2012 4:51 PM, Winston wrote: (...) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston I do it for stress relief. That way anybody in the kitchen knows when to chill. [http://www.jack-nicholson.info/image...nicholson-the- shining_thumb.jpg] "Hand over all the knives, darling..." Please pass the redrum. -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington |
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On 8/23/2012 8:05 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Winston wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:28:33 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| Some people use the top of an old ceramic microprocessor, like the 386, 486 or 586. They say they are great for exacto knife blades, too. COOL! I just might have a few of those. |
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On 8/23/2012 6:19 PM, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. Gunner If you have to use your own knife on a steak---it's NOT a steak, it's leather! If you don't cook steaks to rare/med-rare you're a heathen! |
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On 8/23/2012 6:19 AM, Winston wrote:
Ceramic quarter round: http://tiny.cc/8cwhjw About one dollarette each. Hold blade at angle and stroke from tip to hilt. Flip and grind other side. Rinse and you are good to go. Works fine for my hobby and cooking knives. Probably not so well for serrated, though. Isn't it an axiom of engineering that you can have *only* two of "good", "cheap" and "fast"? Computer systems development, too. |
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On 8/23/2012 2:28 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. I think a lot depends on what you're trying to cut, and it also depends on your general adeptness with tools. It *may* be true that you're more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife if you're not really skilled at using a knife in the first place *and* you're perhaps using the wrong knife on the wrong material, but I have always believed and still believe that *if* you cut yourself with a sharp knife, the injury is likely to be worse. As with a lot of things, it comes down to conditional probability, which explains the fear of flying. Air travel is statistically safer than automobile travel, in terms of deaths per passenger mile, but that's because the probability of a catastrophic plane crash is so low, thus the joint probability of a catastrophic crash *and* dying is low. However, the probability of dying *given* that the crash occurs is almost 1. Similarly, but less certainly, the probability of being injured by a sharp knife may be low, assuming skill in handling the knife, using the correct knife and cutting an appropriate material; but *given* that an injury occurs, the probability of it being serious is higher for a sharp knife than for a dull knife. |
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On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. That's because you're a dole scrounger who can only afford to eat in inferior restaurants that serve you something that's mostly hide and gristle mislabeled as "steak." |
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On 8/24/2012 10:37 AM, Homer Stille Cummings wrote:
I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. I think a lot depends on what you're trying to cut, and it also depends on your general adeptness with tools. It *may* be true that you're more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife if you're not really skilled at using a knife in the first place *and* you're perhaps using the wrong knife on the wrong material, but I have always believed and still believe that *if* you cut yourself with a sharp knife, the injury is likely to be worse. As with a lot of things, it comes down to conditional probability, which explains the fear of flying. Air travel is statistically safer than automobile travel, in terms of deaths per passenger mile, but that's because the probability of a catastrophic plane crash is so low, thus the joint probability of a catastrophic crash *and* dying is low. However, the probability of dying *given* that the crash occurs is almost 1. Similarly, but less certainly, the probability of being injured by a sharp knife may be low, assuming skill in handling the knife, using the correct knife and cutting an appropriate material; but *given* that an injury occurs, the probability of it being serious is higher for a sharp knife than for a dull knife. It all depends on the person. Some people will hurt themselves with a sharp knife. Some won't. The old saying, the most dangerous think in a man's pocket is a sharp knife may be true. Second only to a dull knife... |
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On Aug 23, 11:55*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: "Stormin Mormon" fired this volley : Probably not so well for serrated, though. Serrated blades are really only for the "roughness" provided; good for fibrous stuff, because they both slice and tear. *But until the depth of the serration is ground off, sharpening only the edge is good enough. Scalloped blades (bread knives) seldom get dull in the depth of the scallops. *Sharpening only the tips is enough there, too. *When the scallops are ground away, it's either time for a shaped wheel re-grind, or replacement. Both types sharpen just fine on a flat stone, but in either case, sharpen only the flat side, not the serrated or scalloped side. *A normal angle of grind - as if the blade were not grooved - works fine. Lloyd This rides around in my pocket, does serrated well: http://www.amazon.com/Smiths-PP1-Poc.../dp/B000O8OTNC Big 5 and wally world carry them on the peg and in the bin. Works wonders during the annual deer disassembly season. I think the carbide inserts are just standard triangular machine tool inserts. Only takes a couple of swipes to fix a dull knife. In-laws complain about the knives being too sharp, are cutlery impaired and can't sharpen a knife on a stone with me standing over them guiding every stroke. Diamond spike on this works great for serrations. For fast sharpening, it's hard to beat. Stan |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:14:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
On 8/23/2012 6:19 PM, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. Gunner If you have to use your own knife on a steak---it's NOT a steak, it's leather! If you don't cook steaks to rare/med-rare you're a heathen! It's obvious you didn't grow up on steaks from the cattle in the pasture across the road. I had to feed and help work the damn things, too. It kept us in meat, and I ate a lot of it, but you needed a knife, rare or not. Pete Keillor |
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Homer Stille Cummings wrote:
On 8/23/2012 2:28 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. I think a lot depends on what you're trying to cut, and it also depends on your general adeptness with tools. It *may* be true that you're more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife if you're not really skilled at using a knife in the first place *and* you're perhaps using the wrong knife on the wrong material, but I have always believed and still believe that *if* you cut yourself with a sharp knife, the injury is likely to be worse. As with a lot of things, it comes down to conditional probability, which explains the fear of flying. Air travel is statistically safer than automobile travel, in terms of deaths per passenger mile, but that's because the probability of a catastrophic plane crash is so low, thus the joint probability of a catastrophic crash *and* dying is low. However, the probability of dying *given* that the crash occurs is almost 1. Similarly, but less certainly, the probability of being injured by a sharp knife may be low, assuming skill in handling the knife, using the correct knife and cutting an appropriate material; but *given* that an injury occurs, the probability of it being serious is higher for a sharp knife than for a dull knife. There are two reasons why the truism is correct. First : A sharp knife cuts better and faster with less "work" on the part of the user. That means less pressure, fewer strokes to slice/cut/dice a given item. All of that means much less likelihood of an injury due to simple odds based on how long and hard you need to handle the knife. Second : A sharp knife leaves a much cleaner and straighter cut in you IF you do manage to slip. While the cut could be deeper than with a dull knife the cleaner edges and less debris carried into the cut by the sharper edges of the knife means you generally will heal much better and with less scarring than with a dull knife. Both of these are very easy to demonstrate and because of actual injuries it has been shown to be true. For an easy example look at a surgeons scalpel or even a simple IV needle. Either one being dull will ruin your day. -- Steve W. |
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Stanley Schaefer wrote:
On Aug 23, 11:55 am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: "Stormin Mormon" fired this volley : Probably not so well for serrated, though. Serrated blades are really only for the "roughness" provided; good for fibrous stuff, because they both slice and tear. But until the depth of the serration is ground off, sharpening only the edge is good enough. Scalloped blades (bread knives) seldom get dull in the depth of the scallops. Sharpening only the tips is enough there, too. When the scallops are ground away, it's either time for a shaped wheel re-grind, or replacement. Both types sharpen just fine on a flat stone, but in either case, sharpen only the flat side, not the serrated or scalloped side. A normal angle of grind - as if the blade were not grooved - works fine. Lloyd This rides around in my pocket, does serrated well: http://www.amazon.com/Smiths-PP1-Poc.../dp/B000O8OTNC Big 5 and wally world carry them on the peg and in the bin. Works wonders during the annual deer disassembly season. I think the carbide inserts are just standard triangular machine tool inserts. Only takes a couple of swipes to fix a dull knife. In-laws complain about the knives being too sharp, are cutlery impaired and can't sharpen a knife on a stone with me standing over them guiding every stroke. Diamond spike on this works great for serrations. For fast sharpening, it's hard to beat. Stan I have that one, a good steel and a set of crock sticks for "field sharpening" When I want to re-sharpen a good knife I grab the wet stone rotary machine I have and an OLD strop. Most of the good steel in this house could easily be used to shave with. Even the Victorinox I carry has a very sharp edge, although it gets abused.. Just last might I cut a sandwich and then cut through two 1.75" fire hoses! (Those are double cotton jacket, kevlar reinforced with a rubber inner liner) -- Steve W. |
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On Friday, August 24, 2012 8:37:12 AM UTC-7, Homer Stille Cummings wrote:
I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. ... *given* that an injury occurs, the probability of it being serious is higher for a sharp knife than for a dull knife. The use of tools, and the design and manufacture of tools, is a hallmark of technologic species, like us humans. Be the best person you can be, and use the most effective tools. Sharp knives, for instance. If you're an adult, use a heavy hammer, and don't strike your thumb. If you cannot or will not use sharp knives, or heavy hammers, there are technological tasks you will have to forego. Grownups don't need dull knives, fleaweight hammers, blunt scissors, and the like. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:14:58 -0400, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
On 8/23/2012 6:19 PM, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. Gunner If you have to use your own knife on a steak---it's NOT a steak, it's leather! If you don't cook steaks to rare/med-rare you're a heathen! Indeed. I ALWAYS order rare/very rare. "Heat it up until it stops bleeding and then bring it to me" And Ive still had to use one of my pocket knives to whittle away at a few. And my pocket knives are...sharp. I had a regular eating spot that had good food, except for the steaks...I got the cook ****ed at me when I carried in a 16oz ball pien and a wood chisel and set it next to my plate and the waitress told him. After that..I got much better steaks. Probably a bit of spit and floor dirt too..but that doesnt bother me much. Gunner One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy. - Jeff Cooper |
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On 8/23/2012 7:48 PM, Winston wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:28:01 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/23/2012 4:51 PM, Winston wrote: (...) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston I do it for stress relief. That way anybody in the kitchen knows when to chill. [http://www.jack-nicholson.info/image...nicholson-the- shining_thumb.jpg] "Hand over all the knives, darling..." --Winston I scored a Wasabi chef's blade at a garage sale - for a buck. The guy didn't know that it was! and it doesn't have a pointy end. Brought it home, scary sharpened it a little, and shaved my arm bare! All my kitchen knives live in the knife drawer with a slot for each. |
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On 8/24/2012 1:23 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 24, 2012 8:37:12 AM UTC-7, Homer Stille Cummings wrote: I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. ... *given* that an injury occurs, the probability of it being serious is higher for a sharp knife than for a dull knife. The use of tools, and the design and manufacture of tools, is a hallmark of technologic species, like us humans. Be the best person you can be, and use the most effective tools. Sharp knives, for instance. If you're an adult, use a heavy hammer, and don't strike your thumb. If you cannot or will not use sharp knives, or heavy hammers, there are technological tasks you will have to forego. Grownups don't need dull knives, fleaweight hammers, blunt scissors, and the like. I always try to use the appropriate tool, and strive to keep my knives razor sharp. My wife makes keeping the knives sharp more difficult. |
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On 8/23/2012 5:48 PM, Winston wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:28:01 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/23/2012 4:51 PM, Winston wrote: (...) SWMBO allows me to sharpen knives all I want.... :] :| --Winston I do it for stress relief. That way anybody in the kitchen knows when to chill. [http://www.jack-nicholson.info/image...ing_thumb.jpg] "Hand over all the knives, darling..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nUbCgQEiHo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WupFuB1YtNM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:37:12 -0700, Homer Stille Cummings
öv wrote: On 8/23/2012 2:28 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: Winston fired this volley in : (Of sharpening serrated and scalloped blades) Mamma and I both cook. I have my knives, and she has hers. She curses a lot and smashes tomatoes with hers. Mine slice. G I even offer to sharpen hers, but cannot convince her that a dull knife is not safer than a sharp one. (All marriages have their challenges!) I've often wondered about that truism regarding dull vs sharp knives with respect to the danger of injury. I think a lot depends on what you're trying to cut, and it also depends on your general adeptness with tools. It *may* be true that you're more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife if you're not really skilled at using a knife in the first place *and* you're perhaps using the wrong knife on the wrong material, but I have always believed and still believe that *if* you cut yourself with a sharp knife, the injury is likely to be worse. It may..may be deeper..but it will heal quicker and cleaner if cut with a sharp knife. Which is why doctors use specially ground scalpels and glass cutting tools, rather than a box cutter. Gunner One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy. - Jeff Cooper |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Stanley Schaefer
wrote: On Aug 23, 11:55*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: "Stormin Mormon" fired this volley : Probably not so well for serrated, though. Serrated blades are really only for the "roughness" provided; good for fibrous stuff, because they both slice and tear. *But until the depth of the serration is ground off, sharpening only the edge is good enough. Scalloped blades (bread knives) seldom get dull in the depth of the scallops. *Sharpening only the tips is enough there, too. *When the scallops are ground away, it's either time for a shaped wheel re-grind, or replacement. Both types sharpen just fine on a flat stone, but in either case, sharpen only the flat side, not the serrated or scalloped side. *A normal angle of grind - as if the blade were not grooved - works fine. Lloyd This rides around in my pocket, does serrated well: http://www.amazon.com/Smiths-PP1-Poc.../dp/B000O8OTNC Big 5 and wally world carry them on the peg and in the bin. Works Looks like a nice little deal. Especially the diamond spike hone. It just went on my Amazon wishlist. One can never have too many -decent- knife sharpeners. I picked up a SteelEX spike for my serrated knives. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Diam...ket-file/H1423 wonders during the annual deer disassembly season. I think the carbide inserts are just standard triangular machine tool inserts. Only takes a couple of swipes to fix a dull knife. In-laws complain about the knives being too sharp, are cutlery impaired and can't sharpen a knife on a stone with me standing over them guiding every stroke. People who can't or won't sharpen knives are sick and need help. People who spend 4+ hours sharpening anything need more help. Diamond spike on this works great for serrations. For fast sharpening, it's hard to beat. I have the 1x2" DMT paddles and love 'em for most knives. http://www.amazon.com/DMT-D2K-Dia-Sh...ref=pd_cp_hi_0 I use the larger DMT and EZE-Lap 600 and 1200 grit hones in 2x6" flavor for woodworking plane irons and gouges/chisels. I prefer the DMT brand for longevity and more precise diamond mesh. -- "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:36:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
(...) I picked up a SteelEX spike for my serrated knives. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Diam...ket-file/H1423 Cool! --Winston |
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On 25 Aug 2012 03:13:44 GMT, Winston wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:36:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: (...) I picked up a SteelEX spike for my serrated knives. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Diam...ket-file/H1423 Cool! Yeah, 'tis. I haven't used it much, so I don't know how long it will last, but the price is good if you're already ordering from Griz. Now, if I could only -find- the damned thing... -- "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:26:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
(...) Now, if I could only -find- the damned thing... Ya. I know the feeling. I was fantasizing about a UHF RFID reader I could stick on my belt. It'd detect my movement and turn on for a minute or so, scanning for tagged items. It'd update a database when in range of my computer, providing a list of all my worldly possessions, with location and time stamp. It would make my walks through the local flea market highly educational. --Winston |
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On 25 Aug 2012 04:41:29 GMT, Winston wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:26:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: (...) Now, if I could only -find- the damned thing... Ya. I know the feeling. I was fantasizing about a UHF RFID reader I could stick on my belt. It'd detect my movement and turn on for a minute or so, scanning for tagged items. It'd update a database when in range of my computer, providing a list of all my worldly possessions, with location and time stamp. Hah, cool. It would make my walks through the local flea market highly educational. They'dtossyerassouttathereinahurry,theywould. -- "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... |
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"Randal Scripter" wrote in message ... On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. That's because you're a dole scrounger who can only afford to eat in inferior restaurants that serve you something that's mostly hide and gristle mislabeled as "steak." I'd wager you only go to restaurants that you are TOLD to go...just like every other part of your life. |
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Tom Gardner wrote: "Randal Scripter" wrote in message ... On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk) wrote: In article , Stormin Mormon wrote: That takes us to a Home Depot image. Perhaps you have the URL for the product, for sale? Google Image Search FTW http://www.homedepot.com/buy/floorin...le-184131.html I really couldn't say how well a piece of ceramic tile would serve as a knife sharpener; has anyone actually tried it? Nearly anything ceramic works as a knife sharpener. The unglazed bottom of a coffee cup is one of my favorites. I can sharpen a knife very quickly in just about any coffee shop/restaraunt in America while having a meal. And often have to use my own knife on the steak served. That's because you're a dole scrounger who can only afford to eat in inferior restaurants that serve you something that's mostly hide and gristle mislabeled as "steak." I'd wager you only go to restaurants that you are TOLD to go...just like every other part of your life. It sounds like Randal eats at places that serve undercooked, dead liberals... |
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