On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.

No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)


You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:11:24 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:00:55 -0500, Ignoramus20944
wrote:

On 2012-08-23, Gunner Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:24:30 -0500, Ignoramus17021
wrote:


I bought about 20% of assets of a bankrupt Hyster forklift
dealer. This brought along a library of 600+ forklift service manuals,
it took one guy 1.5 weeks to list them all for sale.

So, I am saying, we are staying busy, but small.

Still looking for a manual for Baker/Linde B30-PL 3000 lb forklift if
you run across one.

And some parts for one.

I do not have any.

i

Keep it in mind if you ever see a carcass


Has anyone considered a forum for posting wants & for sale for the
group? maybe something where the individual who posts an item can remove
it when it's no longer needed? Add a search function, and it would save
people a lot of searching. Yahoo groups are a pain, and only
moderators can delete a post. There is one for electronics parts, but
it was such a mess that I unsubscribed. Call it something like, 'The
old tool boneyard' or 'Where old tools refuse to die!!!'

Seems a hell of an idea. LIke a Craigslist for machinery stuff.

Gunner

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:57:52 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20944 wrote:
On 2012-08-23, Gunner Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:52:25 -0500, Ignoramus17021
wrote:

On 2012-08-22, Gunner Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:02:28 -0500, Ignoramus5048
wrote:

I know one scrapper, he often stops by my warehouse on his way to
scrap yards, and sells me something or other.

Last week he sold me a 15HP food processing machine for $X.

I am guessing that he paid $X/3 to $X/2.

I promptly turned around and sold it to a process industry dealer for
$7X.

I am pretty sure that this dealer will turn around and sell this same
machine to his contacts for $20-30X.

What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell
this to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

And I do have some answers. The scrapper had no idea what he was
selling. The company who sold it to the scrapper probably did not care
about the money and its manager probably pocketed some cash. I cannot
get the price that the "process industry dealer" will get, because I
do not have the buyers lined up and because I do not have the capital
or room to sit on this item for a long time.

Still, it is fascinating how much is this "value chain" stretching.

i
Finally waking up to the realities of the "deal" eh Comrade?

Isnt capitalism a wonderful thing?!

Yes, it is awesome fo be on he beter side of it.

i
So why do you remain a semi Socialist politically?
Well, I do not think of myself as semi-socialist. I am an old
fashioned capitalist, making money using my own capital. I do not
borrow and I do not seek "investors", every business asset I have is
100% paid for.

Neither do I think that, say, Democratic party is socialist. It is
dishonest and misleading to discuss these matters in these terms.

Also, a lot of people who would have liked to start their own
business, are held back due to unavailability of health insurance.

i
Health insurance is readily available, you just have to pay for it as a
cost of running a business, and like everything else the higher quantity
of numbers covered reduces the price. I paid for my own BC/BS when I was
driving OTR.
And "affinity group" insurance is MUCH cheaper than buying it
personally. An OTR trucker? there will be a "program" put together
for any one of a number of trucking associations. A retailer? a trade
association will have an insurance "program".

I ran independent. Paid BC/BS with a check every month.


As a retired teacher (I only taught for a few years - but I'm on
record with the local school board, and paid into the pension plan) I
get my extended health coverage for HALF what it would cost to buy the
coverage directly from the carrier on my own - and I get some coverage
that I could not buy on my own for ANY price. I bought into this
coverage when my wife retired from her medical secretary job - without
having to pass any medicals because she was currently under coverage
with another plan. If we had let her coverage lapse, getting ANY
coverage would have been virtually impossible as she has been diabetic
for olmost 30 years. It's been about 40 years since I taught.


--
Steve W.

Gunner wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone considered a forum for posting wants & for sale for the
group? maybe something where the individual who posts an item can remove
it when it's no longer needed? Add a search function, and it would save
people a lot of searching. Yahoo groups are a pain, and only
moderators can delete a post. There is one for electronics parts, but
it was such a mess that I unsubscribed. Call it something like, 'The
old tool boneyard' or 'Where old tools refuse to die!!!'

Seems a hell of an idea. Like a Craigslist for machinery stuff.


Yes. People could read it but they would have to register to post to
it, to keep out trolls and troublemakers. Nothing but lists of tools,
parts & machines. A firm, one strike policy to keep the place free of
two legged swarf.

I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.

wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.

No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)


You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.


How many locations do they have?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.
No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)

You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.


How many locations do they have?

If their numbers are correct they have about 200. They are part of Best Buy.

Just about 2000 sites less than Home Depot.

--
Steve W.

"Steve W." wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.
No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)

You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.


How many locations do they have?

If their numbers are correct they have about 200. They are part of Best Buy.

Just about 2000 sites less than Home Depot.


That's still not an honest comparison with 50 cent OEM, is it? What
markup do they have on 8P8C connectors, cables and such?

I stopped dealing with Best Buy several years ago. I bought a sealed
box with a 1 TB Seagate hard drive from them. I couldn't register it
with Seagate because they said the serial number was an OEM product sold
in bulk to builders. It failed in under a year, and I was screwed.

In article ,
says...

Pete S wrote:
Just one more thought on scrapping-
The person or company that is getting rid of the thing may need to get
it out of their hands from a liability standpoint these days. ----As
quickly and as quietly as possible.
Example from personal experience:
I grew up in Rockford, Ill, once the "machine tool capital of the world", it
was said.
I went back there a few years ago, looking for air, steam and hydraulic
forging hammers. Went to the largest scrapper in the area to ask about
them.
Here's the answer I got (more or less):
Those old, dangerous, pre-OSHA machines must never be put to work again, so
this scrapper only accepts them to "prepare for foundry", and is bound not
to resell any parts of them.

they're just being lame.

Nobody seems to have problems selling dubious chinese stuff that will hurt
you.

OSHA-compliant != safe. Never forget that.

"Michael A. Terrell" writes:



They owned millions of dollars worth of commercial property,
and their retail operation was two city blocks in downtown
Dayton, Ohio. One was a parking lot, the other a six story
building that covered the entire block.

And was originally owned by Kettering, where he made the first
electric starters. It's a BIG building!

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" writes:

They owned millions of dollars worth of commercial property,
and their retail operation was two city blocks in downtown
Dayton, Ohio. One was a parking lot, the other a six story
building that covered the entire block.

And was originally owned by Kettering, where he made the first
electric starters. It's a BIG building!


It was a major plumbing supplier when they bought that building. I
remember them on Linden Avenue in a building that looked like an old
railroad terminal with really bad wood floors.

Gunner Gunner Asch writes:


Seems a hell of an idea. LIke a Craigslist for machinery stuff.


Like the "Surplus Record"?


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 8/23/2012 10:59 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone considered a forum for posting wants & for sale for the
group? maybe something where the individual who posts an item can remove
it when it's no longer needed? Add a search function, and it would save
people a lot of searching. Yahoo groups are a pain, and only
moderators can delete a post. There is one for electronics parts, but
it was such a mess that I unsubscribed. Call it something like, 'The
old tool boneyard' or 'Where old tools refuse to die!!!'

Seems a hell of an idea. Like a Craigslist for machinery stuff.


Yes. People could read it but they would have to register to post to
it, to keep out trolls and troublemakers. Nothing but lists of tools,
parts & machines. A firm, one strike policy to keep the place free of
two legged swarf.

I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.


phpbb.com

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:59:52 -0400
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

snip
I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.

I saw this recently in a Source Forge newsletter:

http://osclass.org/

===
Features:

-General ads or specialized through modules
-Easy classifieds installation compatible with private/dedicated or
shared hosting
-Lots of customization options (languages, themes,
plugins)
-Search engine friendly: sitemap.xml generation, robots.txt,
nice urls
-Integrated search engine with full text support
-Unlimited number of categories and sub-categories
TYPO3, Drupal, Symfony, free site creator
===

Only gave it a cursory glance, but thought it might be worth a look...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

On 2012-08-24, David Lesher wrote:
Gunner Gunner Asch writes:


Seems a hell of an idea. LIke a Craigslist for machinery stuff.


Like the "Surplus Record"?



It will not work well, will be spammed.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:00:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.

No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)


You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.


How many locations do they have?
A few more than HD I'd recon.

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:00:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.
No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)

You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.

How many locations do they have?
A few more than HD I'd recon.


Future Shop is part of Best Buy, a company that is currently circling
the drain. If they don't have a REALLY good run up to Christmas this
year I would expect them to be gone by Feb./Mar. They just posted a 90%
drop in income for the 2nd quarter. Cut over 2,500 jobs and have swapped
the CEO 3 times in the last year.

In total they run just over 1500 stores, That is CinemaNow,Geek Squad,
Magnolia Audio Video, Pacific, Best Buy and Future Shops combined.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1818649.html


Home Depot on the other hand currently has 2,252 stores open across the
world.
They just posted another gain in sales (almost 2% over first 1/4) and
they keep adding stores and staff.


--
Steve W.

David Lesher wrote:

Gunner Gunner Asch writes:

Seems a hell of an idea. LIke a Craigslist for machinery stuff.

Like the "Surplus Record"?


What a slow site! Ten seconds or longer, on a broad band connection.
I searched for a half dozen things and only got one hit, and that was a
RFQ.

What I'm talking about is small scale, free and easy to maintain.

Leon Fisk wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:59:52 -0400
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

snip
I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.

I saw this recently in a Source Forge newsletter:

http://osclass.org/

===
Features:

-General ads or specialized through modules
-Easy classifieds installation compatible with private/dedicated or
shared hosting
-Lots of customization options (languages, themes,
plugins)
-Search engine friendly: sitemap.xml generation, robots.txt,
nice urls
-Integrated search engine with full text support
-Unlimited number of categories and sub-categories
TYPO3, Drupal, Symfony, free site creator
===

Only gave it a cursory glance, but thought it might be worth a look...


Thanks. I'll take a look.

chaniarts wrote:

On 8/23/2012 10:59 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone considered a forum for posting wants & for sale for the
group? maybe something where the individual who posts an item can remove
it when it's no longer needed? Add a search function, and it would save
people a lot of searching. Yahoo groups are a pain, and only
moderators can delete a post. There is one for electronics parts, but
it was such a mess that I unsubscribed. Call it something like, 'The
old tool boneyard' or 'Where old tools refuse to die!!!'

Seems a hell of an idea. Like a Craigslist for machinery stuff.


Yes. People could read it but they would have to register to post to
it, to keep out trolls and troublemakers. Nothing but lists of tools,
parts & machines. A firm, one strike policy to keep the place free of
two legged swarf.

I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.


phpbb.com

Thanks. I know a little about that one, and will take a better look.
So far I'm just looking ar reviews of various software, and eliminating
the obvious duds.

"Steve W." wrote:

Home Depot on the other hand currently has 2,252 stores open across the
world.
They just posted another gain in sales (almost 2% over first 1/4) and
they keep adding stores and staff.


I prefer to shop at Lowes. The prices are a few percent higher, but
the local store give Veterans a 10% discount, year round. That wipes out
the higher cost, and the sales tax. It's the same discount they give
contractors. I have only bought one thing at HD in the last three
years. I needed a flush mount 100 A breaker box, and Lowes was out of
stock, and backordered. I went across the street, and paid a couple
dollars more for it.,

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:17:15 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:00:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:53:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
What about shipping costs & customs? The cost to do business? You
can't make a living buying FOB China and selling it for the same price
in the US.
No, but I buy LED MR10 lamps for $3.00 each, landed price, that Home
Despot sells for $39. And I sell them for $8 in quantities of 10 or
more. ($130 to one customer)

You couldn't do that, with HD's overhead.
Why not, Future shop sells computers for about 7% over cost when
they are not on sale. There overhead is higher than HD.

How many locations do they have?
A few more than HD I'd recon.


Future Shop is part of Best Buy, a company that is currently circling
the drain. If they don't have a REALLY good run up to Christmas this
year I would expect them to be gone by Feb./Mar. They just posted a 90%
drop in income for the 2nd quarter. Cut over 2,500 jobs and have swapped
the CEO 3 times in the last year.

In total they run just over 1500 stores, That is CinemaNow,Geek Squad,
Magnolia Audio Video, Pacific, Best Buy and Future Shops combined.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1818649.html


Home Depot on the other hand currently has 2,252 stores open across the
world.
They just posted another gain in sales (almost 2% over first 1/4) and
they keep adding stores and staff.
As far as future shop and Best Buy are concerned they can keep
circling.Selling big ticket items at cost hoping to make up the profit
by overcharging for the little crap is a lousy buisiness plan. They
mak mabee 20 bucks on a mid-range laptop, and about the same on the
cable they sell you to connect it to your HTMI TV that they made
another 20 bucks on.. So the smart buyer buys the laptop and the TV
from Future Shop or Best Buy and orders the cable off Ebay for $6
including shipping from China.

wrote:

As far as future shop and Best Buy are concerned they can keep
circling.Selling big ticket items at cost hoping to make up the profit
by overcharging for the little crap is a lousy buisiness plan. They
mak mabee 20 bucks on a mid-range laptop, and about the same on the
cable they sell you to connect it to your HTMI TV that they made
another 20 bucks on.. So the smart buyer buys the laptop and the TV
from Future Shop or Best Buy and orders the cable off Ebay for $6
including shipping from China.


Or someone in Miami who buys by the container load and sells them for
$5, including shipping.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

As far as future shop and Best Buy are concerned they can keep
circling.Selling big ticket items at cost hoping to make up the profit
by overcharging for the little crap is a lousy buisiness plan. They
mak mabee 20 bucks on a mid-range laptop, and about the same on the
cable they sell you to connect it to your HTMI TV that they made
another 20 bucks on.. So the smart buyer buys the laptop and the TV
from Future Shop or Best Buy and orders the cable off Ebay for $6
including shipping from China.


Or someone in Miami who buys by the container load and sells them for
$5, including shipping.
Years ago there was a well known "computer importer" who brought in
container loads of computers and components from mainland China on 180
day terms. He sold the first half of the load for 5% over cost, and
the rest at 5% under cost, on average - emptying the container within
a week. He put the money on the "short term market" on the streets of
New York and Toronto (loanshark) and aften doubled his money before
the invoice came due. Pretty well killed the computer component market
for a while untill he dissapeared into the night..

wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

As far as future shop and Best Buy are concerned they can keep
circling.Selling big ticket items at cost hoping to make up the profit
by overcharging for the little crap is a lousy buisiness plan. They
mak mabee 20 bucks on a mid-range laptop, and about the same on the
cable they sell you to connect it to your HTMI TV that they made
another 20 bucks on.. So the smart buyer buys the laptop and the TV
from Future Shop or Best Buy and orders the cable off Ebay for $6
including shipping from China.


Or someone in Miami who buys by the container load and sells
them for $5, including shipping.

Years ago there was a well known "computer importer" who brought in
container loads of computers and components from mainland China on 180
day terms. He sold the first half of the load for 5% over cost, and
the rest at 5% under cost, on average - emptying the container within
a week. He put the money on the "short term market" on the streets of
New York and Toronto (loanshark) and aften doubled his money before
the invoice came due. Pretty well killed the computer component market
for a while until he disappeared into the night.

Sometimes that's a good thing. It takes the wind out of the sellers
who think they are selling sheet platinum, when it's used tinfoil.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:40:41 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:59:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


wrote:

As far as future shop and Best Buy are concerned they can keep
circling.Selling big ticket items at cost hoping to make up the profit
by overcharging for the little crap is a lousy buisiness plan. They
mak mabee 20 bucks on a mid-range laptop, and about the same on the
cable they sell you to connect it to your HTMI TV that they made
another 20 bucks on.. So the smart buyer buys the laptop and the TV
from Future Shop or Best Buy and orders the cable off Ebay for $6
including shipping from China.


Or someone in Miami who buys by the container load and sells
them for $5, including shipping.

Years ago there was a well known "computer importer" who brought in
container loads of computers and components from mainland China on 180
day terms. He sold the first half of the load for 5% over cost, and
the rest at 5% under cost, on average - emptying the container within
a week. He put the money on the "short term market" on the streets of
New York and Toronto (loanshark) and aften doubled his money before
the invoice came due. Pretty well killed the computer component market
for a while until he disappeared into the night.

Sometimes that's a good thing. It takes the wind out of the sellers
who think they are selling sheet platinum, when it's used tinfoil.

It was good for nobody but Mr K C. And not even for him in the end.
Never heard what became of him, but in the end everybody was after
him. The law on both sides of the 49th and the Triads in mainland
China, and suppliers in Taiwan.

If there isn't a minimum of 10% profit in a hands-on technology like
computers, nobody can afford to give any level of support or expect to
stay in business.

wrote:

It was good for nobody but Mr K C. And not even for him in the end.
Never heard what became of him, but in the end everybody was after
him. The law on both sides of the 49th and the Triads in mainland
China, and suppliers in Taiwan.

If there isn't a minimum of 10% profit in a hands-on technology like
computers, nobody can afford to give any level of support or expect to
stay in business.


He had to sell most of that to builders & computer stores. He
wouldn't have had time to sell it in ones & twos to end users. I'm sure
that they made over 10%.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:02:28 -0500, Ignoramus5048 wrote:


What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

I'd guess that it had no value to people who scrapped it: it probably was
fully amortized, so their main concern was to get rid of it quickly.
Nobody had vested interest in extracting value from it, and/or an idea
how to do it, so off it goes to the dump.

Such business ideas are sometimes tricky and may come about in convoluted
ways. I asked a guy working for 80-20 how it came about that they sell on
ebay. It turns out that they were equipping sales vans, and ended up with
a pile of bucket seats. Because it was a relatively small company at the
time, someone had an idea to sell them on ebay, and they got some cash
out if that---and liked the experience so much that they decided to use
ebay as a sales channel for their main product.

What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."

-Some old salesman I once knew.-

Steve

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:04:41 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."

while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.

Gunner


-Some old salesman I once knew.-

Steve


One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On 2012-08-26, Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:04:41 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."

while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.

It s true only if you can find unlimited business or are space
constrained.

i

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:14:20 -0500, Ignoramus11402
wrote:

On 2012-08-26, Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:04:41 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."

while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.

It s true only if you can find unlimited business or are space
constrained.

i

That too.

Gunner

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On 2012-08-27, Gunner wrote:
"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."
while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.
It s true only if you can find unlimited business or are space
constrained.
That too.

I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.

This business is reminiscent of elephant hunting.

i

Ignoramus11402 Inscribed thus:

On 2012-08-27, Gunner wrote:
"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."
while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.
It s true only if you can find unlimited business or are space
constrained.
That too.

I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.

This business is reminiscent of elephant hunting.

i

Yep. All fat or all famine... No happy medium !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

"Ignoramus11402" wrote in
message
This business is reminiscent of elephant hunting.
i

Beware the boomslang.

jsw

Gunner on Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:13:58 -0700 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:04:41 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:
What interests me is, what is the difference, why did someone sell this
to the scrapper for so little, why did he have to sell to me for
lessthan what he could get etc.

"A fast quarter is better than a slow dollar."

while that may be true...it makes my teeth itch.

If I need the cash "now" - I take what can get. I sold a dodge
truck for 200, because I did not have the time (or space) to part it
out.

Better sometimes to have a third of a two pound pie, than half a
one pound pie. Another thing most politicians don't understand.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

Ignoramus11402 wrote:


I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.
That may not be the most efficient way to run the business.
I have never noticed a pattern to my (very different) business,
but it is very irregular. There will be months with nearly zero
sales, and months where I am going crazy trying to get stuff made
and shipped out. I have come to accept that a small business HAS
to be irregular, it is a statistical process.

Some general, long-term patterns are detectable, when the US downturn hit,
I got a lot of European business, now that Europe has a problem, the
US sales are picking up. But, on a shorter time span, it is just very
irregular.

Jon

Jon Elson wrote:

Ignoramus11402 wrote:

I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.
That may not be the most efficient way to run the business.
I have never noticed a pattern to my (very different) business,
but it is very irregular. There will be months with nearly zero
sales, and months where I am going crazy trying to get stuff made
and shipped out. I have come to accept that a small business HAS
to be irregular, it is a statistical process.

Some general, long-term patterns are detectable, when the US downturn hit,
I got a lot of European business, now that Europe has a problem, the
US sales are picking up. But, on a shorter time span, it is just very
irregular.


Some friends of mine manufacture a couple aluminum framed products.
They use the slow periods to build up inventory, since it is used up
quickly when the next round of orders come in. It's also the time to
clean the shop, repair machines & update their computers & network.

On 2012-08-27, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jon Elson wrote:

Ignoramus11402 wrote:

I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.
That may not be the most efficient way to run the business.
I have never noticed a pattern to my (very different) business,
but it is very irregular. There will be months with nearly zero
sales, and months where I am going crazy trying to get stuff made
and shipped out. I have come to accept that a small business HAS
to be irregular, it is a statistical process.

Some general, long-term patterns are detectable, when the US downturn hit,
I got a lot of European business, now that Europe has a problem, the
US sales are picking up. But, on a shorter time span, it is just very
irregular.



It's also the time to
clean the shop, repair machines & update their computers & network.

This is what I do in slow tmes.

i

Ignoramus27014 wrote:

On 2012-08-27, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jon Elson wrote:

Ignoramus11402 wrote:

I have many things to worry about. But I noticed a pattern.

If I fill my warehouse to the brim (like it was 3 weeks ago), I start
worrying about becoming paralyzed by stuff, I feel that I will never
"sell it all".

So, I go in a panic mode, start selling as much as possible, and after
a while, stuff sells and I end up in an empty looking warehouse. Then
I begin worrying about "where am I going to find new stuff to sell",
go in a panic mode, run around looking for business, and fill my
warehuose to the brim again.
That may not be the most efficient way to run the business.
I have never noticed a pattern to my (very different) business,
but it is very irregular. There will be months with nearly zero
sales, and months where I am going crazy trying to get stuff made
and shipped out. I have come to accept that a small business HAS
to be irregular, it is a statistical process.

Some general, long-term patterns are detectable, when the US downturn hit,
I got a lot of European business, now that Europe has a problem, the
US sales are picking up. But, on a shorter time span, it is just very
irregular.



It's also the time to
clean the shop, repair machines & update their computers & network.

This is what I do in slow tmes.


They also shut down for two weeks for Christmas & New Years, and
every employee gets two weeks vacation except the owners, if there is
any major work to be done on the facilities.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:59:52 -0400
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

snip
I would need help creating the software, since I haven't written a
database program in over 25 years. It would have to be a server side
based system. I'll look around and see if I can find some existing
software that would work.

I saw this recently in a Source Forge newsletter:

http://osclass.org/

===
Features:

-General ads or specialized through modules
-Easy classifieds installation compatible with private/dedicated or
shared hosting
-Lots of customization options (languages, themes,
plugins)
-Search engine friendly: sitemap.xml generation, robots.txt,
nice urls
-Integrated search engine with full text support
-Unlimited number of categories and sub-categories
TYPO3, Drupal, Symfony, free site creator
===

Only gave it a cursory glance, but thought it might be worth a look...

Thanks. I'll take a look.


Looks interesting. I would need to find a host, but that's under $10
a month these days. I'll dig out an old server to try it out.