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Bandsawing problem
The saw is a horizontal band saw using a 3/4 blade. The problem is new
and is not related to blade pitch or to a particular blade. When sawing 5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric |
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:49:51 -0700, etpm wrote:
5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric I've seen it a few times. The chip load and friction is quite a bit higher in the middle of a big round cut. I've found it's alway been blade tension in my case. A squirt of kerosene now and then seems to help a little. My opinion only. |
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wrote in message ... The saw is a horizontal band saw using a 3/4 blade. The problem is new and is not related to blade pitch or to a particular blade. When sawing 5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art |
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:20:57 -0700, Artemus wrote:
I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art A good point on the teeth per inch. I hadn't considered that. |
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On Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:49:51 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
The saw is a horizontal band saw using a 3/4 blade. The problem is new and is not related to blade pitch or to a particular blade. When sawing 5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric It sounds as if the blade gets hot , expands , and loses tension. I wonder if a belleville washer could keep the tension more constant. Coolant might help. Have you tried stopping the cut and rotating the part so the saw is not cutting a full 5 inches? Dan |
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On Jun 24, 3:20*pm, "Artemus" wrote:
wrote in message ... The saw is a horizontal band saw using a 3/4 blade. The problem is new and is not related to blade pitch or to a particular blade. When sawing 5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. *As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. *A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art Chip load calculation and recommended chip load for various materials on page 18: http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.co...%20Catalog.pdf |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:52:32 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote: On Jun 24, 3:20*pm, "Artemus" wrote: wrote in message ... The saw is a horizontal band saw using a 3/4 blade. The problem is new and is not related to blade pitch or to a particular blade. When sawing 5" diameter aluminum the cut is square for about a third of the cut and then the cut becomes concave for a little more than a third, and finally the cut straightens out. The roller saw guides are adjusted properly and the saw cuts square otherwise. The concavity is about 1/16 inch. Anybody seen this before? Thanks, Eric I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. *As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. *A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art Chip load calculation and recommended chip load for various materials on page 18: http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.co...%20Catalog.pdf Thanks to everyone who replied so far. It looks like it might be tension related. I thought I had the blade tight enough but maybe I've gotten weak. And thanks Dennis for the above link. Eric |
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On Jun 24, 2:41*pm, Yooper wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:20:57 -0700, Artemus wrote: I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. *As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. *A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art * A good point on the teeth per inch. I hadn't considered that. You can get blades with varying TPI that are just for rounds and oddball shapes where a fixed TPI blade doesn't work that well. I think Starrett was one of the first with them, but most of the other makers have them now. That's if you're going to be doing a lot of that kind of cutting. Otherwise, get some Castrol stick lube and carry on. Stan |
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"Stanley Schaefer" wrote in message
... On Jun 24, 2:41 pm, Yooper wrote: ... You can get blades with varying TPI that are just for rounds and oddball shapes where a fixed TPI blade doesn't work that well. ... Stan I've had acceptable results with a 10/14 TPI, 1/2" blade on a 4x6 bandsaw cutting 6" wide CRS plate the hard (but straight) way. A 6 TPI blade does work better. jsw |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:35:26 -0700 (PDT), Stanley Schaefer
wrote: On Jun 24, 2:41*pm, Yooper wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:20:57 -0700, Artemus wrote: I've seen this too, even with proper blade tension. *As Yooper says it's the chip load filling up the gullets on a wide piece. *A blade with bigger gullets (fewer TPI) or reduced feed rate/pressure usually fixes the problem. Art * A good point on the teeth per inch. I hadn't considered that. You can get blades with varying TPI that are just for rounds and oddball shapes where a fixed TPI blade doesn't work that well. I think Starrett was one of the first with them, but most of the other makers have them now. That's if you're going to be doing a lot of that kind of cutting. Otherwise, get some Castrol stick lube and carry on. Stan I do use variable pitch blades. And flood coolant. What has me flummoxed is that this problem is new, occurs with different, new blades, and with blades of different pitches. So I think the problem is not related to the blades themselves. I'm thinking it may well be blade tension. The next saw job I'll try more tension and if that doesn't work I'll investigate the pivot points. Eric |
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