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I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Feb 26, 7:18*am, John B. wrote:
I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- -- Cheers, John B. Well, for starters, $1.16 per kWh? Where does this guy live? According to the Department of Energy: http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i...cting_price s The three States with the highest average price of electricity in 2010 we Hawaii (25.12¢ per kWh) Connecticut (17.39¢ per kWh) New York (16.31¢ per kWh) Those with the lowest average prices in 2010 we Wyoming (6.20¢ per kWh) Idaho (6.54¢ per kWh) Kentucky (6.75¢ per kWh) So, with a blatant fallacy like that, I would just line a birdcage with the rest of the "article." |
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On 2/26/2012 7:18 AM, John B. wrote:
I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No, there is not. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp |
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On 2012-02-26, John B wrote:
I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. I pay about 7 cents per KwH. i 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- John B. |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B.
wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. That's the big whopper in the piece, I even balked at that one before even seeing the Snopes link - they have their energy priced 10X too high, and probably on purpose to make it sound worse. Depending on the region and the transportation costs part of the power price of course, it's more like $0.10 to $0.12 a KWH range from a fossil-fuel fired plant, not $1.10 to $1.20. Even less if it's generated with Hydro. Once you recover the costs of building the dams the operation and maintenance is damned cheap, and the fuel is essentially 'free'. The only places you're going to find energy that expensive is on a small barrier island or other isolated Off Grid location where you're running and maintaining a local Diesel fired generator plant and having the fuel shipped in. Or you have to lay a new undersea transmission cable from the mainland every few years when it shorts out and fails, and they fold all those costs into the billing rates. But that's what the Rural Electrification Administration is for, to subsidize those costs. Otherwise great swaths of the Midwest and Rockies would still be lighting their houses with Kerosene lanterns. -- Bruce -- |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B.
wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No. He says he pays $1.16 kWh for electricity. He's visually challenged, or he can't read an electric bill. Another technically incompetant reporter. Sheesh. -- Ed Huntress ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- |
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message news:ce9e907c-6d1b-4531-9f5d- Well, for starters, $1.16 per kWh? Where does this guy live? After separating the fixed and proportional costs, I pay $0.159 per KWH. If I simply divide the bill by the consumption it looks like $0.25. I can run a gas generator for considerably less than $1.16 / KWH. http://www.p3international.com/products/p4460.html Much more significant is the cost of the battery divided by its capacity times cycle life, to give dollars per KWH. With lead-acids, solar power doesn't break even for me if the panels are free. jsw |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B.
wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner -- One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:29:47 -0500, Stuart Wheaton
wrote: On 2/26/2012 7:18 AM, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No, there is not. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp The Snopes rebuttle is fatally flawed. It takes the same amount of time to drive across the country???? Hardly. Its sadly more of a mish mash than the original article Gunner |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:38:16 -0600, Ignoramus1113
wrote: On 2012-02-26, John B wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. I pay about 7 cents per KwH. I pay 27 cents per kwh i 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- John B. Gunner -- One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... -- Ed Huntress |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
... "rangerssuck" wrote in message news:ce9e907c-6d1b-4531-9f5d- Well, for starters, $1.16 per kWh? Where does this guy live? After separating the fixed and proportional costs, I pay $0.159 per KWH. If I simply divide the bill by the consumption it looks like $0.25. I can run a gas generator for considerably less than $1.16 / KWH. If I do the same division in NY, it comes out to 36c.... an effing outtage.... I mean, outrage..... In CA, after the Enron ass****ing, I believe they do get up to over $1 /kwhr, as the "tier" structure of their billing rapidly escalates the charges. Basically, the first few hours of many utilities' pricing is just a HD low-price come-on..... after that, bend over. http://www.p3international.com/products/p4460.html Much more significant is the cost of the battery divided by its capacity times cycle life, to give dollars per KWH. With lead-acids, solar power doesn't break even for me if the panels are free. Altho the calcs in that article are kind of bizarre, the bottom line with electrics or hybrids is that over the life of the car -- or battery pack -- they are no bargain at all. I did some calcs which showed me that the electrics/hybrids I would like to buy will cost me, per mile, *at least* 50% more than my Honder ****.... I mean, Fit, will cost. Actually, the Honda Fit is a perty neat car, and Consumer Reports regularly lists it as the car that has THE lowest cost-to-own over 5 years -- 42-44c per mile to operate. Hybrids/electrics are waaaay over that, if you amortize the expected replacement of the battery. The price of the Volt is outrageous. When you think about it from a machining pov, electrics don't have 1/100th the mechanical complexity of an IC engine -- yet they cost more, for essentially a battery and an effing motor. -- EA jsw |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... Of course not. Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. -- EA -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:07:22 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. BINGO!!! ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. That's the big whopper in the piece, I even balked at that one before even seeing the Snopes link - they have their energy priced 10X too high, and probably on purpose to make it sound worse. Depending on the region and the transportation costs part of the power price of course, it's more like $0.10 to $0.12 a KWH range from a fossil-fuel fired plant, not $1.10 to $1.20. Even less if it's generated with Hydro. Once you recover the costs of building the dams the operation and maintenance is damned cheap, and the fuel is essentially 'free'. The only places you're going to find energy that expensive is on a small barrier island or other isolated Off Grid location where you're running and maintaining a local Diesel fired generator plant and having the fuel shipped in. Or you have to lay a new undersea transmission cable from the mainland every few years when it shorts out and fails, and they fold all those costs into the billing rates. But that's what the Rural Electrification Administration is for, to subsidize those costs. Otherwise great swaths of the Midwest and Rockies would still be lighting their houses with Kerosene lanterns. -- Bruce -- -- One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:39:10 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... Of course not. Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. g Are you suggesting that he's tethered to the cables to keep his heart running, or just that he runs his computers for free? -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:07:22 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. I'm generally not a fan of government subsidies, but this is an exception. This technology won't get off the ground without it. If we wait till fuel is $10 a gal to start, it will be too late. The Volt needs more work before its ready. With just a bit more work, there should be a commuter car that will take you on short trips twice a day. That's a great potential to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Karl |
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Existential Angst wrote: Of course not. Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. Why not? I heard that was what it took to wake you up. ;-) -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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John B. wrote in
: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? [...] The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. No way in the world that's true. |
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Gunner Asch wrote in
: [...] I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. [...] By all accounts..its quite accurate. A buck-sixteen per kilowatt-hour? NOBODY pays that much for electricity. So much for your idea of "quite accurate". |
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On Feb 26, 6:18*am, John B. wrote:
I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- -- Cheers, John B. What a crock of crap in so many ways. Consider that it comes from Faux News...the news source with the highest error rate in the industry. And with NO CITES TO REFERENCES...another hallmark of yellow journalism. Then consider that it is common practice for the marketing departments of oil companies to write pro oil pieces for news agencies...and that Faux News IS pro oil. Alos note that the piece is slanted against the intended use for the class of vehicle that the Volt is...short range trips...what the majority of travel most Americans make. What is the average trip...why don't we look at the FACTS? http://nhts.ornl.gov/2009/pub/stt.pdf It sure the hell is not 270 miles. Now if Faux News was such a credible news source, how could they miss such an obvious error? An obvious error that I just had a 8 year old child do a fact check for...and who found the answer in the first attempt. The simple answer...they are not a credible news source. They either did not check or intentionaly meant to mislead the ignorant reader. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 10:18*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No. He says he pays $1.16 kWh for electricity. He's visually challenged, or he can't read an electric bill. Another technically incompetant reporter. Sheesh. -- Ed Huntress ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ------------------------------------ Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Likely given a piece from your favorite oil company's marketing department that came with the paid lunch and weekend retreat. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 10:50*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner -- One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Gunner Asch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL..like you Gummer...always accurate and truthful. LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH.. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 10:53*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:29:47 -0500, Stuart Wheaton wrote: On 2/26/2012 7:18 AM, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No, there is not. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp The Snopes rebuttle is fatally flawed. *It takes the same amount of time to drive across the country???? Hardly. Its sadly more of a mish mash than the original article Gunner- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Mr. 57 year old Afternnon Delight...show your data. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 10:54*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:38:16 -0600, Ignoramus1113 wrote: On 2012-02-26, John B wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. I pay about 7 cents per KwH. I pay 27 cents per kwh i 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- John B. Gunner -- One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Gunner Asch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Mr. 57 year old Afternoon Delight...dildos today use batteries...better dump your AC model. Got those free condoms yet that they are handing out to Kern County? TMT |
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On Feb 26, 10:54*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... -- Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I bet that Gummer steals power from his neighbors just like he steals WiFi. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 11:39*am, "Existential Angst" wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... Of course not. *Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. -- EA -- Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Naw...he uses those stolen drop cords to plug into his neighbor's system. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 12:12*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:39:10 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:50:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000......... ----------------------------------- By all accounts..its quite accurate. Gunner Ha-ha! Jesus, Gunner, whose accounts are those? Are you paying $1.16 kWh for electricity? If so, maybe that's one of your problems.... Of course not. *Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. g Are you suggesting that he's tethered to the cables to keep his heart running, or just that he runs his computers for free? -- Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about that pot farm he has growing? TMT |
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On Feb 26, 12:30*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Existential Angst wrote: Of course not. *Gummer has jumper cables going directly to the utility pole. * *Why not? *I heard that was what it took to wake you up. ;-) -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. LOL...Michael made a joke. Will someone wipe the drool off his chin. TMT |
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On Feb 26, 12:38*pm, Doug Miller
wrote: John B. wrote : I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? [...] The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. No way in the world that's true. Apparently in the world of Faux News it is the truth. Remember they used every resource available to fact check the article before reporting it. TMT |
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Karl Townsend wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:07:22 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)" wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. I'm generally not a fan of government subsidies, but this is an exception. This technology won't get off the ground without it. If we wait till fuel is $10 a gal to start, it will be too late. The Volt needs more work before its ready. With just a bit more work, there should be a commuter car that will take you on short trips twice a day. That's a great potential to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Karl Why is it that even though this technology has been around LONGER than gas engines and almost as long as cars have even been available that "Electrics need just a bit more work"???? And that everyone should have to pay for this work? How about the fact that they are NOT a practical vehicle for more than a VERY small segment of the population who in all likelihood don't even own a car now and that for the few people who actually want them now are buying NOT for any real reason other than "SEE WHAT I DO FOR THE ENVIRONMENT", Ever notice what these folks usually do with these cars? Take look at the ones who buy them, they take them out for special events and demonstrations but the rest of the time they drive the good old reliable gas burner. A "commuter car for short trips" Just going back and forth to work for many is a 30 or more mile one way drive. What do you use while the electric car is charging? How about when a big storm hits and knocks out all the power for miles around? How do you charge up then? "The technology just isn't there yet" Seems to be the constant cry of the folks who think that Solar/Wind/electric/hybrid items are the best way to go. Amazing when you look at how much money has been put into all of them over the years and how many outright failures there have been. You would think that after 100 plus years of research and money they would have things up and running without needing to steal money from other people to keep going. Same thing with passenger rail. The current mantra is to build MORE high speed rail, this in areas where passenger rail was removed over the past 30-40 years because it wasn't used enough to keep it operating. Sounds just like the thing to do.. How about these companies go to the public and ask for the money instead of grants through the government. If the products look to be truly viable they will get funding. If they are a joke then they don't. -- Steve W. |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:07:22 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. Has GM paid back all of the $13.4B they got in the bailout yet? the last figure I saw was $8.1B repaid by April of 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble...Relief_Program Or are you referring to another subsidy? I'm not nearly as critical of the TARP program now that much of it has been paid back. ------------------------ Cost to operate a Chevy Volt I can't believe they're trying to get $46k (merely -double- the cost of a Prius) for those things. http://tinyurl.com/7evjd2c For $20k less, I'd go for a Toyota Camry Hybrid and be extremely happy. $25.9-27.4k. $2k upgrade from Prius to Camry? No brainer. Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors. Makes one wonder how much they paid him for the article. According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. That's the big whopper in the piece, I even balked at that one before even seeing the Snopes link - they have their energy priced 10X too high, and probably on purpose to make it sound worse. What are those, Gnu Yawk City prices? sigh Depending on the region and the transportation costs part of the power price of course, it's more like $0.10 to $0.12 a KWH range from a fossil-fuel fired plant, not $1.10 to $1.20. Yup. --snip-- But that's what the Rural Electrification Administration is for, to subsidize those costs. Otherwise great swaths of the Midwest and Rockies would still be lighting their houses with Kerosene lanterns. Now called the RUS, or Rural Utilities Service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_E...Administration -- Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air. -- John Quincy Adams |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:36:03 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message news:ce9e907c-6d1b-4531-9f5d- Well, for starters, $1.16 per kWh? Where does this guy live? After separating the fixed and proportional costs, I pay $0.159 per KWH. If I simply divide the bill by the consumption it looks like $0.25. I can run a gas generator for considerably less than $1.16 / KWH. http://www.p3international.com/products/p4460.html Much more significant is the cost of the battery divided by its capacity times cycle life, to give dollars per KWH. With lead-acids, solar power doesn't break even for me if the panels are free. I wonder how far a quiet li'l Honda EU generator would take an EV. The Hondas run 8+ hours per tank of gas. Pop that puppy in the trunk, route the exhaust out the bottom/back, and drive nonstop to Vegas from anywhere! (Well, not from Australia.) -- Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air. -- John Quincy Adams |
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1) If it were feasable, it would already be in the works
2) We reduce dependance on foreign oil with domestic drilling and building more refineries. ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, etc. 3) So, where do you think we get the fuel to make the electricity to power the car? Probably from electric plants that burn foreign oil. d'uh. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Karl Townsend" wrote in message ... I'm generally not a fan of government subsidies, but this is an exception. This technology won't get off the ground without it. If we wait till fuel is $10 a gal to start, it will be too late. The Volt needs more work before its ready. With just a bit more work, there should be a commuter car that will take you on short trips twice a day. That's a great potential to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Karl |
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That's better than anything I could have written.
Go, man, go! Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Steve W." wrote in message ... Why is it that even though this technology has been around LONGER than gas engines and almost as long as cars have even been available that "Electrics need just a bit more work"???? And that everyone should have to pay for this work? How about the fact that they are NOT a practical vehicle for more than a VERY small segment of the population who in all likelihood don't even own a car now and that for the few people who actually want them now are buying NOT for any real reason other than "SEE WHAT I DO FOR THE ENVIRONMENT", Ever notice what these folks usually do with these cars? Take look at the ones who buy them, they take them out for special events and demonstrations but the rest of the time they drive the good old reliable gas burner. A "commuter car for short trips" Just going back and forth to work for many is a 30 or more mile one way drive. What do you use while the electric car is charging? How about when a big storm hits and knocks out all the power for miles around? How do you charge up then? "The technology just isn't there yet" Seems to be the constant cry of the folks who think that Solar/Wind/electric/hybrid items are the best way to go. Amazing when you look at how much money has been put into all of them over the years and how many outright failures there have been. You would think that after 100 plus years of research and money they would have things up and running without needing to steal money from other people to keep going. Same thing with passenger rail. The current mantra is to build MORE high speed rail, this in areas where passenger rail was removed over the past 30-40 years because it wasn't used enough to keep it operating. Sounds just like the thing to do.. How about these companies go to the public and ask for the money instead of grants through the government. If the products look to be truly viable they will get funding. If they are a joke then they don't. -- Steve W. |
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Easier just to drive a Honda automobile.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... I wonder how far a quiet li'l Honda EU generator would take an EV. The Hondas run 8+ hours per tank of gas. Pop that puppy in the trunk, route the exhaust out the bottom/back, and drive nonstop to Vegas from anywhere! (Well, not from Australia.) -- Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air. -- John Quincy Adams |
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On 2/26/2012 12:21 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Karl Townsend wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:07:22 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)" wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:18:48 +0700, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp No, not hardly. It's not as economically efficient as a regular car when you figure in the added purchase price, but only by a little. It's the huge government subsidies that aren't figured into the operating costs that make it a stupid move. I'm generally not a fan of government subsidies, but this is an exception. This technology won't get off the ground without it. If we wait till fuel is $10 a gal to start, it will be too late. The Volt needs more work before its ready. With just a bit more work, there should be a commuter car that will take you on short trips twice a day. That's a great potential to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Karl Why is it that even though this technology has been around LONGER than gas engines and almost as long as cars have even been available that "Electrics need just a bit more work"???? And that everyone should have to pay for this work? How about the fact that they are NOT a practical vehicle for more than a VERY small segment of the population who in all likelihood don't even own a car now and that for the few people who actually want them now are buying NOT for any real reason other than "SEE WHAT I DO FOR THE ENVIRONMENT", Ever notice what these folks usually do with these cars? Take look at the ones who buy them, they take them out for special events and demonstrations but the rest of the time they drive the good old reliable gas burner. A "commuter car for short trips" Just going back and forth to work for many is a 30 or more mile one way drive. What do you use while the electric car is charging? How about when a big storm hits and knocks out all the power for miles around? How do you charge up then? "The technology just isn't there yet" Seems to be the constant cry of the folks who think that Solar/Wind/electric/hybrid items are the best way to go. Amazing when you look at how much money has been put into all of them over the years and how many outright failures there have been. You would think that after 100 plus years of research and money they would have things up and running without needing to steal money from other people to keep going. Same thing with passenger rail. The current mantra is to build MORE high speed rail, this in areas where passenger rail was removed over the past 30-40 years because it wasn't used enough to keep it operating. Sounds just like the thing to do.. How about these companies go to the public and ask for the money instead of grants through the government. If the products look to be truly viable they will get funding. If they are a joke then they don't. perhaps you have never been to Europe or Asia where they actually have had subsidized transit for decades, and they have mass transit and electric cars and they work. It is only because our government has, through the complicity of fools like the above poster, subsidized the automotive industry and systematically destroyed passenger rail in many locations that we have the absolute mess we are in now. Places like Boston and Wash DC have trains that actually carry people around and these people don't use cars - places like Los Angeles used to have a great network of trains (many electric) and buses, but they were shut down and the right-of-ways purchased to prevent their being reinstated so that the population would buy cars, and then we subsidize public roads to the tune of billions per year. Your data about electric cars is just plain wrong, and you know it. The turn of the century electric car, with lead acid batteries is not the same technology. You are among those who wish to destroy the nation by crippling us with pollution, paralyzingly high energy prices, and a population of uneducated drones fit only to flip burgers and sew shoes for off-shore companies. Why people like you want this future is beyond me, perhaps you can explain it to us all. -- For a $5 dollar donation today you get credit for $10 with HIM |
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On 2/26/2012 2:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
1) If it were feasable, it would already be in the works 2) We reduce dependance on foreign oil with domestic drilling and building more refineries. ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, etc. 3) So, where do you think we get the fuel to make the electricity to power the car? Probably from electric plants that burn foreign oil. d'uh. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org have you actually lost the ability to use that wonderful brain that god gave all of us? did you even read your words? "If it were feasible it would already be in the works" - in 1950, was your laptop "in the works"??? it was feasible, its existence proves its feasible, but it wasn't known until the technology matured. if you drill domestically we will just ship our oil overseas - are you actually unaware that today the US is a net exporter of gasoline? Fuel to make electricity for domestic electric cars comes predominantly from domestically produced natural gas. Get your facts straight before you make wild claims. -- For a $5 dollar donation today you get credit for $10 with HIM |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:48:08 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: 1) If it were feasable, it would already be in the works 2) We reduce dependance on foreign oil with domestic drilling and building more refineries. ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, etc. 3) So, where do you think we get the fuel to make the electricity to power the car? Probably from electric plants that burn foreign oil. d'uh. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org Chris, you are getting downright loony. Roughly 1% of the electricity in the US is generated from oil, whether foreign or domestic: http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i..._united_states Man, if you're going to be lazy and ignorant, you should at least learn to keep your mouth shut until you wise up and stop looking like a fool. You've become ridiculous. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... .... Much more significant is the cost of the battery divided by its capacity times cycle life, to give dollars per KWH. With lead-acids, solar power doesn't break even for me if the panels are free. jsw That is a major factor that the mfgrs, media, politicians, and greenie weenies seem to be ignoring. According to http://www.gavinshoebridge.com/elect...eir-lifespans/ Avg battery lifespan in electric vehicle applications Normal Car Starting Batteries: 3-12 months Marine Batteries: 1-6 years Golf Cart Batteries: 2-7 years AGM Deep Cycle: 4-7 years Gelled Deep Cycle: 2-5 years Ni-Cad Batteries: 1-20 years Ni-MH Batteries: 2-10 years LiFePO4 Batteries: 6-10 years Nissan's cost for their Leaf elec car battery is $15,600 and this is not expected to come down. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...934528502.html So people like me who keep their cars for longer than this (I've had my Toyota PU for 28 years and the Ford Explorer for 19) would have this major replacement cost to look forward to again and again. Art |
OT Chevy Volt
On 2/26/2012 11:53 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:29:47 -0500, Stuart wrote: On 2/26/2012 7:18 AM, John B. wrote: I got this in my e-mail today from one of the people I now who send jokes rather then bothers to write. I initially was going to delete it but after reading it I wondered. Is there any accuracy in this ? No, there is not. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chevyvolt.asp The Snopes rebuttle is fatally flawed. It takes the same amount of time to drive across the country???? Since when the battery is run down it runs on the gas engine, yes, it can go cross country just like any IC vehicle. But the Volt is not designed for x-country use. It is optimised for the large number of Americans who commute a dozen miles or so daily, who can charge it during off peak hours every night, but still offers a back-up plan so you never suffer the inability to go when you need to regardless of the charging time. OH yeah, you can fit it with a Gun rack too. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_1...ack-in-a-volt/ Hardly. Its sadly more of a mish mash than the original article Gunner |
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