In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?
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On 2012-01-30, David Lesher wrote:
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

Sounds like bull**** to me.

Scrap yard that I frequent takes galvanized steel just as well.

They really could not care less.

i

David Lesher wrote:
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?


25 years ago it was probably not worth enough to cut it up and transport
it.


--
Steve W.

On Jan 29, 10:08*pm, "Steve W." wrote:
David Lesher wrote:
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. *They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

25 years ago it was probably not worth enough to cut it up and transport
it.

--
Steve W.

Yep...and likely well worth digging up now and reselling.

TMT

"Steve W." wrote in message
...
David Lesher wrote:
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a 327 ft tower,
weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?


25 years ago it was probably not worth enough to cut it up and transport
it.


Pretty sure 25 years ago recyclers were buying scrap steel at around $50 /
ton

On 2012-01-30, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

"Steve W." wrote in message
...
David Lesher wrote:
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a 327 ft tower,
weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?


25 years ago it was probably not worth enough to cut it up and transport
it.


Pretty sure 25 years ago recyclers were buying scrap steel at around $50 /
ton



What what was $50 worth then? Same as $280/ton now...

Ignoramus18027 wrote:

(...)

What what was $50 worth then? Same as $280/ton now...

Sounds like a "shovel ready" project.

--Winston

On Jan 30, 7:53*am, Winston wrote:
Ignoramus18027 wrote:

(...)

What what was $50 worth then? Same as $280/ton now...

Sounds like a "shovel ready" project.

--Winston

LOL...good one Winston.

TMT

"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... LOL
.. May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. Just
guessing....
--
EA



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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... LOL

Anyone who has ever experienced zinc-fume fever, even a mild case of
it (raises hand) doesn't need health-consciousness to know it's bad
news. It's like a short-lived case of flu. In severe cases, it can be
really nasty. I got a mild dose from welding or brazing (I forget
which) EMT, and I don't want to experience it again.

Today, there are throw-away masks that can protect you from it. 3M
makes one, or did. I bought a few around 10 years ago. Ordinary dust
masks and solvent-fume filters won't do it.

--
Ed Huntress (yes, I'm coming to Yonkers soon)


. May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. Just
guessing....

On Jan 30, 12:38*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"





wrote:
"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. *They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... * LOL

Anyone who has ever experienced zinc-fume fever, even a mild case of
it (raises hand) doesn't need health-consciousness to know it's bad
news. It's like a short-lived case of flu. In severe cases, it can be
really nasty. I got a mild dose from welding or brazing (I forget
which) EMT, and I don't want to experience it again.

Today, there are throw-away masks that can protect you from it. 3M
makes one, or did. I bought a few around 10 years ago. Ordinary dust
masks and solvent-fume filters won't do it.

--
Ed Huntress (yes, I'm coming to Yonkers soon)



. *May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. *Just
guessing....- Hide quoted text -

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Agreed about the dangers of zinc fumes.

TMT

On Jan 30, 12:38*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"









wrote:
"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. *They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... * LOL

Anyone who has ever experienced zinc-fume fever, even a mild case of
it (raises hand) doesn't need health-consciousness to know it's bad
news. It's like a short-lived case of flu. In severe cases, it can be
really nasty. I got a mild dose from welding or brazing (I forget
which) EMT, and I don't want to experience it again.

Today, there are throw-away masks that can protect you from it. 3M
makes one, or did. I bought a few around 10 years ago. Ordinary dust
masks and solvent-fume filters won't do it.

--
Ed Huntress (yes, I'm coming to Yonkers soon)







. *May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. *Just
guessing....

Ed the OSHA web site calls it metal fume fever.
http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtrai.../weldhlth.html
And their description follows;
Zinc is used in large quantities in the manufacture of brass,
galvanized metals, and various other alloys. Inhalation of zinc oxide
fumes can occur when welding or cutting on zinc-coated metals.
Exposure to these fumes is known to cause metal fume fever. Symptoms
of metal fume fever are very similar to those of common influenza.
They include fever (rarely exceeding 102o F), chills, nausea, dryness
of the throat, cough, fatigue, and general weakness and aching of the
head and body. The victim may sweat profusely for a few hours, after
which the body temperature begins to return to normal. The symptoms of
metal fume fever have rarely, if ever, lasted beyond 24 hours. The
subject can then appear to be more susceptible to the onset of this
condition on Mondays or on weekdays following a holiday than they are
on other days.

I find it interesting they made comment to it's effects relative to
Mondays or holidays. Someone in OSHA has a sense of humor.
ignator

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:55 -0800 (PST), ignator
wrote:

On Jan 30, 12:38*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"









wrote:
"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. *They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... * LOL

Anyone who has ever experienced zinc-fume fever, even a mild case of
it (raises hand) doesn't need health-consciousness to know it's bad
news. It's like a short-lived case of flu. In severe cases, it can be
really nasty. I got a mild dose from welding or brazing (I forget
which) EMT, and I don't want to experience it again.

Today, there are throw-away masks that can protect you from it. 3M
makes one, or did. I bought a few around 10 years ago. Ordinary dust
masks and solvent-fume filters won't do it.

--
Ed Huntress (yes, I'm coming to Yonkers soon)







. *May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. *Just
guessing....

Ed the OSHA web site calls it metal fume fever.
http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtrai.../weldhlth.html
And their description follows;
Zinc is used in large quantities in the manufacture of brass,
galvanized metals, and various other alloys. Inhalation of zinc oxide
fumes can occur when welding or cutting on zinc-coated metals.
Exposure to these fumes is known to cause metal fume fever. Symptoms
of metal fume fever are very similar to those of common influenza.
They include fever (rarely exceeding 102o F), chills, nausea, dryness
of the throat, cough, fatigue, and general weakness and aching of the
head and body. The victim may sweat profusely for a few hours, after
which the body temperature begins to return to normal. The symptoms of
metal fume fever have rarely, if ever, lasted beyond 24 hours. The
subject can then appear to be more susceptible to the onset of this
condition on Mondays or on weekdays following a holiday than they are
on other days.

I find it interesting they made comment to it's effects relative to
Mondays or holidays. Someone in OSHA has a sense of humor.
ignator

Ha-ha! Yes, that's funny.

The description sounds familiar. Fortunately for me, I didn't get a
bad dose of it. I didn't have a fever, but it felt like the flu
otherwise.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:55 -0800 (PST), ignator
wrote:

(...)

I find it interesting they made comment to it's effects relative to
Mondays or holidays. Someone in OSHA has a sense of humor.
ignator

Ha-ha! Yes, that's funny.

The description sounds familiar. Fortunately for me, I didn't get a
bad dose of it. I didn't have a fever, but it felt like the flu
otherwise.

I remove the zinc coating from galvanized pipe
by allowing the ends to soak in straight muriatic
(pool) acid for a few minutes, then neutralize with
a water and baking soda solution followed by a water
rinse.

The vapor created by the soak is hot, plentiful
and Very Nasty smelling, so I only do this outside
whilst standing upwind.

The resulting steel welds really well. I've avoided
zinc fever so far.

The fumes created by gas cutting powder - coated steel
left my nose offline for most of a year, though.

(Don't do that.)

--Winston

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:08:22 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:55 -0800 (PST), ignator
wrote:

On Jan 30, 12:38*am, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"
[...]

Ed the OSHA web site calls it metal fume fever.
http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtrai.../weldhlth.html
And their description follows;
Zinc is used in large quantities in the manufacture of brass,
galvanized metals, and various other alloys. Inhalation of zinc oxide
fumes can occur when welding or cutting on zinc-coated metals.
Exposure to these fumes is known to cause metal fume fever. Symptoms
of metal fume fever are very similar to those of common influenza.
They include fever (rarely exceeding 102o F), chills, nausea, dryness
of the throat, cough, fatigue, and general weakness and aching of the
head and body. The victim may sweat profusely for a few hours, after
which the body temperature begins to return to normal. The symptoms of
metal fume fever have rarely, if ever, lasted beyond 24 hours. The
subject can then appear to be more susceptible to the onset of this
condition on Mondays or on weekdays following a holiday than they are
on other days.

I find it interesting they made comment to it's effects relative to
Mondays or holidays. Someone in OSHA has a sense of humor.
ignator

Ha-ha! Yes, that's funny.

The description sounds familiar. Fortunately for me, I didn't get a
bad dose of it. I didn't have a fever, but it felt like the flu
otherwise.

Same reason as workers in explosive factories get headaches on Mondays
or after holidays: One develops tolerance to nitroglycerine which is
quickly lost. Same with metal fumes.

Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:00:55 -0800 (PST), ignator
wrote:


Ed the OSHA web site calls it metal fume fever.
http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtrai.../weldhlth.html
And their description follows;
.......snip......
which the body temperature begins to return to normal. The symptoms of
metal fume fever have rarely, if ever, lasted beyond 24 hours. The
subject can then appear to be more susceptible to the onset of this
condition on Mondays or on weekdays following a holiday than they are
on other days.

I find it interesting they made comment to it's effects relative to
Mondays or holidays. Someone in OSHA has a sense of humor.
ignator

They're referring to employees, who become desensitized to the zinc
fumes as the week progresses and are again susceptable to it when the
new work week begins after being off for the weekend. I had read
about similar problems with other chemicals. I think it's workers who
are around nitroglycerine who have headaches on Mondays because
they've gotten the nitro out of their systems over the weekend, and
when Monday rolls around the nitro gives them a headache again until
they build tolerance during the week. Nitroglycerine dilates blood
vessels.

Like Ed, I had metal fume fever - once! Early in my metal working
hobby I gas welded some galvanized stock in my cellar. The fumes were
actually pleasant - sort of a sweet smell. I also recall having a
metallic taste in my mouth when I was welding. I don't recall how
long I hovered over them, but it was a fair amount of welding since
oxyacetylene welding is slow. I was really sick that evening and it
wasn't too long after the welding.

RWL

On 2012-01-30, Existential Angst wrote:
"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... LOL
. May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. Just
guessing....

Come on guys, let's not be joking here.

i

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:22 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
In another place I hang out, we're discussing a tower that was
toppled by a tornado 25 years ago. Seeing as how this was a
327 ft tower, weighing ~135 tons, that's a lot of bent steel.

But the story is, it was not sellable as scrap because it was
galvanized. They ended up burying it on-site!

You guys know lots more about steel than I do, so why is it you
can't reuse galvanized steel?

It may have been related to the fact that welding/flame cutting galvanized
steel apparently releases very toxic gaseous compounds of zinc, so scrappers
may have been reluctant to cut it up -- altho one doesn't normally think of
scrappers as being a health-conscious environmental lot.... LOL
. May have turned into a kind of scrap urban lore, in some locales. Just
guessing....

It might be worth digging it up and hauling it off as scrap now, if
you get the right people and equipment to do it.

They have the big hydraulic Pincer Cutters you put on the end of an
excavator digger arm that can clip the tower scrap up into nice easily
transportable chunks for a "Rock Bucket" trailer

And the scrap industry can handle re-melting galvanized steel - the
bolts and any guy-wires that are mixed in will add value.

Typical problem - 25 or 50 pounds of scrap steel isn't worth
bothering with - costs you more in fuel to get it where they can take
it. But get 135 Tons together, and now we can talk...

-- Bruce --

"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)" writes:


They have the big hydraulic Pincer Cutters you put on the end of an
excavator digger arm that can clip the tower scrap up into nice easily
transportable chunks for a "Rock Bucket" trailer

And the scrap industry can handle re-melting galvanized steel - the
bolts and any guy-wires that are mixed in will add value.

Typical problem - 25 or 50 pounds of scrap steel isn't worth
bothering with - costs you more in fuel to get it where they can take
it. But get 135 Tons together, and now we can talk...

In 1985, it was reasonably close [~Erie PA] to major mills but I
don't know if Pittsburgh still has same; Cleveland has no steel
industry left. Not sure the Port of Erie could handles same but
I'd hope so.

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