I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

thanks

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
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I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.



http://www.practicalcargosecurement.com/US-reg.html

On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

Have you read the Army rigging manual yet? It should be easy to find.
http://yabe.chudov.com/Army-Rigging-.../ebayhist.html

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

On 2012-01-07, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

Have you read the Army rigging manual yet? It should be easy to find.
http://yabe.chudov.com/Army-Rigging-.../ebayhist.html


I did read it, it is great, and it does not cover what I am asking
about.

i

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:52:25 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

On 2012-01-07, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

Have you read the Army rigging manual yet? It should be easy to find.
http://yabe.chudov.com/Army-Rigging-.../ebayhist.html


I did read it, it is great, and it does not cover what I am asking
about.

I tried that link several times and the file won't download properly.
You might check it out. See if you have the Cargo Specialist's Hdbk.
If not, it's he http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pdf/fm55_17_army_cargo.pdf

or try
http://goo.gl/DmGav Reviews on this look promising.
http://goo.gl/B0e1s tanker's guide

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

How about a rigging manual? Email me if you are interested in something
like that.

Mike

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
news
I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

thanks

On 2012-01-07, Mike Henry wrote:
How about a rigging manual? Email me if you are interested in something
like that.

I am interested in a manual that explains how to tie things down.

I am not interested (right now) in setting up derricks, operating any
machinery, tying fancy knots, etc.

I just want to learn what millwrights and machinery movers do to
secure machinery in trailers.

i


Mike

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
news
I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

thanks

Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

i

On 2012-01-07, Ignoramus8679 wrote:
On 2012-01-07, Mike Henry wrote:
How about a rigging manual? Email me if you are interested in something
like that.

I am interested in a manual that explains how to tie things down.

I am not interested (right now) in setting up derricks, operating any
machinery, tying fancy knots, etc.

I just want to learn what millwrights and machinery movers do to
secure machinery in trailers.

i


Mike

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
news
I have not had any major disasters moving stuff, yet, and I would like
to keep it this way. I had some mishaps, not involving total loss of
anything.

Does anyone know any guide to tying down and securing loads. When to
use chains, when to use straps, how to use them etc.

thanks

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
I just want to learn what millwrights and machinery movers do to
secure machinery in trailers.
i

Maybe this will lead to useful regs on cargo loading:
http://law.onecle.com/illinois/625ilcs5/15-107.html
"Cribbing" in case you don't know means heavy timber spacers. "Dunnage"
means padding material.

Construction equipment haulers block the wheels and chain down the corners
with load binders.
http://www.northerntool.com/images/p.../143119_lg.jpg
AFAIK you need to use chain with its load rating stamped on it, like "7" for
Grade 70, or similarly marked webbing straps.

jsw, who last loaded industrial machinery for interstate transport on a
flatbed in ~1975.

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

i

I bought my lathe from a machinery dealer and industrial rigger who
tightened a strap over the spindle pulley cover and broke it. Turns out it
had been broken before and poorly glued, but just because they do something
often doesn't mean they do it right.

jsw

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:21:16 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

Yeah, that's a really great trick. I learned that early on, too.

Did the Cargo Specialist's Handbook, FM 55-17, help?

--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:21:16 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

i

I bet tricks of the trade aren't published.

My favorite: drop the chain/strap end through the tie down slot on the
bed. Then the hook back up on the outside and attach. If the load
shifts and slacks, the chain/strap won't come undone.

Know others?

On 2012-01-08, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:21:16 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

i

I bet tricks of the trade aren't published.

My favorite: drop the chain/strap end through the tie down slot on the
bed. Then the hook back up on the outside and attach. If the load
shifts and slacks, the chain/strap won't come undone.

Know others?

I try, nowadays, to buy only straps with locking/latching hooks.

What I do for the straps without latches, is put rubber bungee cords
to stretch them additionally, so they would not come undone.

The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.

i

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.
i

I don't know if it's standard practice, but I first drive a short ways in
the parking lot and brake hard, then recheck the tie-downs.

jsw

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 07:27:28 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

On 2012-01-08, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:21:16 -0600, Ignoramus8679
wrote:

Let me give one example.

If, as you are tying something down, you wrap the strap even once,
around a round object, or the leg of something etc, it is not going to
shift under the tie down. A rigger taught me that. This is really
useful -- and simple -- and this is the kind of stuff I want to
learn. Tricks of the trade.

i

I bet tricks of the trade aren't published.

My favorite: drop the chain/strap end through the tie down slot on the
bed. Then the hook back up on the outside and attach. If the load
shifts and slacks, the chain/strap won't come undone.

Know others?

I try, nowadays, to buy only straps with locking/latching hooks.

What I do for the straps without latches, is put rubber bungee cords
to stretch them additionally, so they would not come undone.

The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.

Yup. The trick is to find a permanently tight tiedown, both for cargo
and for tarps over the top. I've had cargo nice and tight at the end
of a trip which has been beat up by a loose section of tarp, and paint
worn down to bare metal from the beating of the wind on it. My
solution is to always find at least 3 if not 4 points for tiedowns on
every piece of cargo, and to group cargo with another strap around
them horizontally to ensure their group integrity. That helps prevent
shifts.

Wooden beds are great, because you can bolt things to them for
additional tiedowns, or actually affix the machine to them. This
requires more frequent replacement of the flooring, though, but a
flooring change is cheaper than a loose machine flying through the air
during an emergency stop. How many people here have had idiots pull
out right in front of them when you were hauling a heavy load? (SWAG:
100%) Makes a person want to mount an RPG in the grille, doesn't it?
titter

--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:48:00 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.
i

I don't know if it's standard practice, but I first drive a short ways in
the parking lot and brake hard, then recheck the tie-downs.

That's SOP here. I also try going over curbs and getting a bounce to
see that all is secure.

--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood

On 2012-01-08, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.
i

I don't know if it's standard practice, but I first drive a short ways in
the parking lot and brake hard, then recheck the tie-downs.


I do the same thing, after a mile or so.

i

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 10:05:02 -0600, Ignoramus16953
wrote:

On 2012-01-08, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.
i

I don't know if it's standard practice, but I first drive a short ways in
the parking lot and brake hard, then recheck the tie-downs.


I do the same thing, after a mile or so.

i

Same here

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On 2012-01-08, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 10:05:02 -0600, Ignoramus16953
wrote:

On 2012-01-08, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Ignoramus8679" wrote in message
...
The problem , as always, is that the situation progressively goes to
**** if the load shifts and straps slacken.
i

I don't know if it's standard practice, but I first drive a short ways in
the parking lot and brake hard, then recheck the tie-downs.


I do the same thing, after a mile or so.

i

Same here


One more thing. Instead of just using two ratchet straps to "hold
down" some machine, I use them to pull down and "apart", so that they
pull the machine in opposite directions. This has a lot less potential
to loosen. Again, a rigger told me to do that.

i