Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

Karl

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:10:45 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

I was in 3rd grade (LRAFB Elementary, can't remember teacher's name)
and there was a TV set in the room. The principal had it fed into the
classrooms and we watched that in tears and horror.


Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

I was in my office, designing a website, with the news on in the other
room. I remember thinking how dumb those Gnu Yawkers looked standing
and gawking under the collapsing tower instead of running for their
lives. I was angry instead of tearful that day.


I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

True.

I'm disgusted by what has happened to our great country since 9/11. We
vowed we wouldn't let it change us, but look around. Patriot Act,
DHS, TSA molesters, 2 more wars and several on the horizon. ****!

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:10:45 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.


Too young.

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.


36 03 54.50 N 114 56 44.21 W in the middle of the pool, I had just
started the tile under the center of the spillway after a week of
prep. work. One of the most nerve wracking parts cause you need to
work both ways with approx. 3 vertical feet of tile that is the main
focus of the backyard and it has to be done fast, correct, and ya
can't stop until approx. 20 feet of the main wall is up.

The lady of the house came out on the other side of the house yelling
and running down the hill to the shop where the man was and I asked my
helper (who was as usual, not helping me) who was between the pool and
the shop what they where saying as they all ran up to the house. After
the minimum was done and trying to put together two words airplane &
building, I went up to the house where this guy had a 10 foot
projection TV and as started watching the second one went in. First
thought was , see... that's what you get for ****ing with everybody.
This particular pool happens to be directly under the approach to the
airport and I notice every airplane (grew up with them) and then
silence while I continued to work.


I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.


Was about 8 and had to argue with my mom to stay up to watch it. She
didn't think it important ! That was COOL and big time ballsie.


Karl


SW

In article ,
Karl Townsend wrote:

Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

Karl

As I live on the W coast, it was still early and I was sound asleep. The
phone rang, and an otherwise un-excitable friend yelled:

'Are you watching?!?!?'

'Watching what' I mumbled...

'Turn on the TV! Go go go go!!!' Remember thinking something musta
really hit the fan for him to be calling and so agitated...

'Huh... what channel' I asked.

'It doesn't matter!!! 'Just get it on' he screamed!

Almost stopped by the bathroom... but remember thinking 'I need to know
what the hell is this all about first'

I'd only been awake maybe 30 seconds thus far, ran in bleary eyed and
turned it on... the first images were of the second tower being hit...
at first I thought it was a tape replay, but soon realized I'd seen it
hit live....

Erik

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:10:45 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

Karl


I was getting ready to go down to LA to do a machine installation, had
just gotten out of the shower and was sitting on the end of the bed
putting on my pants..and looked up to see the 2nd airliner hit.....

I didnt make it to LA until very late that day.

I was having recess and holding hands with Mary Sue Polkalavich when
JKF got nailed and it was reported over the pa system of that Catholic
school in Hillman Michigan. Sunny day, cold wind blowing..I was wearing
a kids pea coat.....remember looking down at it as I pondered what was
going on.


--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

Karl Townsend wrote:
Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

Sitting on the floor of our very modest hovel,
I heard my dad cry for the first time in my life.
It was an awful sound, full of pain and despair.
Kennedy had been confirmed dead.
I didn't understand the broader significance of
that fact at the time. I sure do now.

Ten years ago, I was standing at the cafeteria
counter at Palm Computing, collecting breakfast.
The guy behind the counter told me that two
commercial jets had struck the World Trade Center
buildings and that each building could accommodate
upwards of 25,000 people.

I contemplated the deaths of 50,000 people and ate
my breakfast, mechanically. Later, we had a meeting
to watch taped coverage of the attack.
More pain and despair.

My memory of the moon landing isn't nearly as clear.
Astonishingly awful video on our B&W set.
Walter Cronkite sounding emotional and proud.

--Winston

Karl Townsend wrote:
Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

Karl



I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember
11/09/2001, it was my 2nd day at a new job, late morning UK time, when
one of my work colleagues shouted something like "Holy ****!" having
seen the first attack on the internet and then it went down due to the
overload of people trying to get information. The son of a guy I used to
know was helped out of a tower with a mate, by a fireman, and saw that
fireman killed in front of them by a falling body, not nice, but
apparently the company that employed them quickly provided counselling
to help them cope.

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

....
As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

if you thinks that's bad, you should see our system of weights and
measures.

Karl

On 9/11/2011 6:19 PM, Karl Townsend wrote:
...
As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

if you thinks that's bad, you should see our system of weights and
measures.

Are you kidding? He's from the UK -- we got that system from him in the
first place! (Well, from his ancestors, anyway...)

I was signing back into my union after two years off for shoulder
reconstruction. I watched the planes fly into the towers, and thought it
was a bad movie. Then I realized it was the news. I signed in, and went
home, and watched the towers fall, and all the aftermath.

We were more outraged as a nation after Pearl Harbor, where only a fraction
of the people killed than on 9/11.

I guess there were less liberal at the time.


Steve

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:43:26 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I was signing back into my union after two years off for shoulder
reconstruction. I watched the planes fly into the towers, and thought it
was a bad movie. Then I realized it was the news. I signed in, and went
home, and watched the towers fall, and all the aftermath.

We were more outraged as a nation after Pearl Harbor, where only a fraction
of the people killed than on 9/11.

I guess there were less liberal at the time.


Steve

I was at the hospital having a mole on my back removed and checked for
the big CA when the first one hit, and at the optametrists when the
first one fell.

On Sep 11, 6:43*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I was signing back into my union after two years off for shoulder
reconstruction. *I watched the planes fly into the towers, and thought it
was a bad movie. *Then I realized it was the news. *I signed in, and went
home, and watched the towers fall, and all the aftermath.

We were more outraged as a nation after Pearl Harbor, where only a fraction
of the people killed than on 9/11.

I guess there were less liberal at the time.

Steve

So Steve...the war after 911..the most expensive war in America's
history (4 trillion and counting)...isn't enough for you?

And I sure don't see conservatives lining up around the block to join
the war effort.

TMT

On 2011-09-11, David Billington wrote:

I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember

[ ... ]

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

I have to agree, and I have to live with it all the time.
(Except when *I* define the format. I tend to prefer YYYY-MM-DD so files
so marked will sort in chronological order. (And the '-' because on
unix, '/' is the subdirectory delimiter.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 12 Sep 2011 01:26:14 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2011-09-11, David Billington wrote:

I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember

[ ... ]

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

I have to agree, and I have to live with it all the time.
(Except when *I* define the format. I tend to prefer YYYY-MM-DD so files
so marked will sort in chronological order. (And the '-' because on
unix, '/' is the subdirectory delimiter.

Enjoy,
DoN.
In Canada d/m/y is becoming the standard.

wrote:

On 12 Sep 2011 01:26:14 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2011-09-11, David Billington wrote:

I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember

[ ... ]

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

I have to agree, and I have to live with it all the time.
(Except when *I* define the format. I tend to prefer YYYY-MM-DD so files
so marked will sort in chronological order. (And the '-' because on
unix, '/' is the subdirectory delimiter.

Enjoy,
DoN.
In Canada d/m/y is becoming the standard.


Canada always was kind of backwards.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On 2011-09-12, wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011 01:26:14 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2011-09-11, David Billington wrote:

I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember

[ ... ]

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

I have to agree, and I have to live with it all the time.
(Except when *I* define the format. I tend to prefer YYYY-MM-DD so files
so marked will sort in chronological order. (And the '-' because on
unix, '/' is the subdirectory delimiter.

[ ... ]

In Canada d/m/y is becoming the standard.


Which *still* does not sort properly.

BTW I also prefer the GB/European way of naming particularly
large numbers (e.g. "billion" is one million million (10^12), not
one thousand million (10^9), and "trillion" is one billion
million (10^18), not 10^12.

But I am more likely to use the exponential notation shown
above anyway, as again there is no chance for confusion.

And generally, when I do use the "/ /" format, I will make the
month the three-letter abbreviation, and use the four-digit year so
there should be no doubt what I mean.

And for generating filenames, I've got a script which I've
called "ddate" which produces output of the format:

.2011-09-11

and I usually use it as follows:

mv filename filename`ddate`

so "filename" becomes "filename.2011-09-11" (or whatever is the current
date).

(In case you do not know unix, two things should be explained
about the above:

1 "mv" not only can be used to move a file from one directory to
another, but also renames it (so there is no need for a separate
rename command).

2) Enclosing a command (e.g. "ddate") in backquotes "`", accent
grave replaces its location in the command line with the output
from running that command.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 03:44:27 +0000, DoN. Nichols wrote:
[snip re m/d/y vs d/m/y]

And for generating filenames, I've got a script which I've
called "ddate" which produces output of the format:

.2011-09-11

and I usually use it as follows:

mv filename filename`ddate`

so "filename" becomes "filename.2011-09-11" (or whatever is the current
date).

My preference is to append the file's modification date, formatted with
dot rather than dash separators, so my script called append-file-date
uses an expression like following,
$(date -r $F +%Y.%m.%d)
where $F contains filename, to create a suffix.

(In case you do not know unix, two things should be explained
about the above:
[snip 1) ]

2) Enclosing a command (e.g. "ddate") in backquotes "`", accent
grave replaces its location in the command line with the output from
running that command.

Backticks work ok for that purpose in several shells, but the posix
form $(...) works in more of them. %() also can be easily nested; eg,
echo $(echo $(date))
prints current date and time in posix shells. In new scripts I only
use the $(...) form, but still use `...` at prompt since it's easy
to type.

--
jiw

"DoN. Nichols" on 12 Sep 2011 03:44:27 GMT
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2011-09-12, wrote:
On 12 Sep 2011 01:26:14 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2011-09-11, David Billington wrote:

I wasn't born when JFK got shot by about a year but I can remember

[ ... ]

As a side question what is the background to the US date system of
month/day/year as it seems nonsensical to me, I lived with it for 12
years when in the US, but ascending or descending precedence make
sense but mixed precedence seems bizarre.

What you see is the written form of the oral convention "It was
August, the twenty third day." (Even though a lot of people also say
"It is the twenty third of July".


I have to agree, and I have to live with it all the time.
(Except when *I* define the format. I tend to prefer YYYY-MM-DD so files
so marked will sort in chronological order. (And the '-' because on
unix, '/' is the subdirectory delimiter.

YYYY MM DD is "ISO Standard" and the usual standard of computer
geeks the world around.

[ ... ]

In Canada d/m/y is becoming the standard.


Which *still* does not sort properly.

BTW I also prefer the GB/European way of naming particularly
large numbers (e.g. "billion" is one million million (10^12), not
one thousand million (10^9), and "trillion" is one billion
million (10^18), not 10^12.

That is because, back when decimal notation was first in use, the
term "million", Billion and Trillion had not been invented. But
decimals were "bunch" in groups of there or six. I.E., large numbers
(such as the US Debt at 147301988355) would be written either 14 730
198 835 or 14730 198835 . As the terminology was adopted in various
places, the first bunch (reading from the right) is thousands, the
second millions, the third billions and so forth.

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We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:10:45 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:



Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

It was a beautiful clear early autumn day with a blue bird sky in
central PA. Our lab manager walked into my office and said that a
plane had flown into the World Trade Center. We walked over to the
conference room and turned on a TV and got to see the other tower hit.
I was very angry that day. One of the surgeons from our hospital was
in NYC at a national surgical meeting. They cancelled the meeting and
asked for volunteers. Virtually all did. They wound up sitting
around doing nothing - almost all at the WTC had died. Then we heard
about the Pentagon and the plane that crashed in Shanksville. Nobody
knew what was going to happen next. The hospital locked its doors
except for one or two entrances. We're about a mile from the big
federal prison in Lewisburg - one of the places they put the worst
criminals. It worried me at the time that whoever was behind the
attacks might spring a prison break and loose a thousand or so of the
worst of the worst into our town. One of my coworkers and I quietly
carried sidearms to work the next day. One of the few times in my
life I felt the need to carry.

Karl Townsend on Sun, 11 Sep 2011
05:10:45 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Couple of moments are burned in my brain like it happend a minute
ago...

I was serving detention with only Miss Douglas and myself in the 4rth
grade classroom when I learned JFK was dead. I was doodling on an
Indian chief tablet.

Around lunch time 3rd grade, Fairchild AFB Elementary school. I
remember thinking "It must be cool to be a teenager, and have
transistor radio." And then realizing that "You can't listen to the
radio in class."

Ten years ago today, I was picking Wealthy apples with my honey.
Second tree from the end of row 225. We were talking about the bad
accident in New York when we learned the second plane hit. My picking
bag was half full and I was reaching up for a couple more apples. My
honey was walking back toward the tractor.

Early morning church service. Didn't have the radio on, till I
left for work. Turn it on, and - solemn. Not upbeat morning drive
banter, talking politics, but trying to relay to viewers what they
were seeing on the TVs in the station. "Gott hilfen, und wir leiben."

I do also remember the first step on the moon. But not in the same
vivid like it just happend a second ago detail. of course, we were all
a bit more prepared for this.

Stayed up late, took a picture of the TV screen with the Polaroid.

Karl

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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!